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p.14 #1Canon 7D
Kevin Sherman wrote:
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.not much of a swipe when they miss nikon's pricepoint by a grand.What do you mean? The D300s is priced at $1799, this is rumored to hit at $1999...
the only price I saw floating around was the $2699 figure for a née body in the best buy system. Where does the 1999 number other than somebody yanking either from their behind or thin air .. Whichever is more convenient.
nads wrote
Kevin Sherman wrote
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
the only price I saw floating around was the $2699 figure for a née body in the best buy system. Where does the 1999 number other than somebody yanking either from their behind or thin air .. Whichever is more convenient.
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:32 PM
p.14 #2Canon 7D
anorphirith wrote:
has this been posted ?
Yeah - back on page 7 it was.
has this been posted ?
Yeah - back on page 7 it was.
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:34 PM
p.14 #3Canon 7D
haijak wrote:
I have no special info, but it will never have a 1 series AF, that's just dreaming.
It won't be $2700. That's the list for the 5D, and the 7D will be a lesser model line.
- It will be around 12 to 16mp.
- Full Frame is unlikely, I would expect a 1.3x crop sensor. (explanation further down)
- Video and a pop-up flash is virtually guaranteed, by the convincing body badge photo.
- It will be around $1700. (competition for the D300)
- OLED is doubtful, but not impossible.
Finally (and this is purely my wild speculation) I'm not sure this is the 50D replacement.
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Haijak, Agree 99.9%, of all the speculations on these pages so far yours makes the most sense. With a designation of 7D it would be positioned bettween the 50D and the 5D2. Just as the 5D2 is a "Mini" 1Ds3, the 7D would be a "Mini" 1D3, just the thing for the soccer moms to use photographing their kids at play!
The only item I disagree on is using 9D as a model number, I still believe the 1.6 crop cameras will carry the 50D-60D-70D to designate that series of cameras.
I have no special info, but it will never have a 1 series AF, that's just dreaming.
It won't be $2700. That's the list for the 5D, and the 7D will be a lesser model line.
- It will be around 12 to 16mp.
- Full Frame is unlikely, I would expect a 1.3x crop sensor. (explanation further down)
- Video and a pop-up flash is virtually guaranteed, by the convincing body badge photo.
- It will be around $1700. (competition for the D300)
- OLED is doubtful, but not impossible.
Finally (and this is purely my wild speculation) I'm not sure this is the 50D replacement.
Everybody...Show more →
Haijak, Agree 99.9%, of all the speculations on these pages so far yours makes the most sense. With a designation of 7D it would be positioned bettween the 50D and the 5D2. Just as the 5D2 is a "Mini" 1Ds3, the 7D would be a "Mini" 1D3, just the thing for the soccer moms to use photographing their kids at play!
The only item I disagree on is using 9D as a model number, I still believe the 1.6 crop cameras will carry the 50D-60D-70D to designate that series of cameras.
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM
p.14 #4Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
Why not just go full frame? 1.3x vs 1.6x is such a minimal difference. For me, it's either full frame with 1.6x high speed mode................. or fast 1.3x crop and thats it.
For one thing, it seems perfectly clear - to me - that the camera top plate image which was posted (if real) is not from a full frame body. APS-H sits squarely in the middle between APS-C and FF, so if the difference between APS-C and APS-H is miniscule, so is the difference between APS-H and FF. And I doubt that a FF mirror could be made to clear the back of an EF-S lens without a very complex mechanical linkage, which would reduce reliablility and frame rate.
WillWeb wrote
What would be interesting is an APS-H camera with high-speed 1.6x mode. A plus they could implement would be the ability to mount an EF-S lens and crop anywhere within the portion of its image circle that falls in the APS-H frame, for output ratios other than 3:2.For one thing, it seems perfectly clear - to me - that the camera top plate image which was posted (if real) is not from a full frame body. APS-H sits squarely in the middle between APS-C and FF, so if the difference between APS-C and APS-H is miniscule, so is the difference between APS-H and FF. And I doubt that a FF mirror could be made to clear the back of an EF-S lens without a very complex mechanical linkage, which would reduce reliablility and frame rate.
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM
p.14 #5Canon 7D
brainiac wrote:
That's a very good point. Does the picture of the top-plate categorically rule out full-frame? It seems like it does, but we don't really have an indication of the height of the prism.
it seems to unless it is a really low end FF with super low mag, etc. but how could they charge $2500 for that?
roanjohnnyc wrote
And the bundle of a regular EF lens (28-135) is an even bigger tell tell sign it will go this direction.it seems to unless it is a really low end FF with super low mag, etc. but how could they charge $2500 for that?
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:07 PM
p.14 #6Canon 7D
Do you not agree that Canon tends to play this a bit more than other manufacturers? Canon releases gear, and then they don't manufacture to demand. They've actually brought the numbers down, to the point that even if demand is less, there's still a perceived demand because they simply aren't cranking the gear out fast enough.
No, I don't agree, not at all. For every manufacturer, especially for Canon and Nikon, there is rather short supply in the first months when demand seems to be frantic ("seems" because web hysteria makes it seem worse than it is), then demand levels off to meet the planned supply.
Manufacturers will not size production capacity to meet that initial demand. That would be stupid resource management to set up assembly floorspace, hire and train additional skilled workers, et cetera, just to mollify 30-60 days of silly Westerners kvetching on the Internet.
In this current economic situation, Canon is doing the same thing most manufacturers are doing--reducing the workforce, cutting assembly lines. They've laid off thousands of workers in "offshore" plants and moved assembly of many of those devices to Japan. They've stalled plans to build at least one new plant, and are likely reserving floorspace in existing plants for the devices they would have built in the new plant. All of that portends less manufacturing of many lines.
No, I don't agree, not at all. For every manufacturer, especially for Canon and Nikon, there is rather short supply in the first months when demand seems to be frantic ("seems" because web hysteria makes it seem worse than it is), then demand levels off to meet the planned supply.
Manufacturers will not size production capacity to meet that initial demand. That would be stupid resource management to set up assembly floorspace, hire and train additional skilled workers, et cetera, just to mollify 30-60 days of silly Westerners kvetching on the Internet.
In this current economic situation, Canon is doing the same thing most manufacturers are doing--reducing the workforce, cutting assembly lines. They've laid off thousands of workers in "offshore" plants and moved assembly of many of those devices to Japan. They've stalled plans to build at least one new plant, and are likely reserving floorspace in existing plants for the devices they would have built in the new plant. All of that portends less manufacturing of many lines.
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:12 PM
p.14 #7Canon 7D
nads wrote:
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.not much of a swipe when they miss nikon's pricepoint by a grand.
well it would be a better sensor, 1080p vs 720p and likely better for reasons other than that, maybe much better AF, perhaps more fps
or 1.6x and crazily more fps and the rest?
Kevin Sherman wrote
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
well it would be a better sensor, 1080p vs 720p and likely better for reasons other than that, maybe much better AF, perhaps more fps
or 1.6x and crazily more fps and the rest?
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:14 PM
p.14 #8Canon 7D
Kevin Sherman wrote:
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.not much of a swipe when they miss nikon's pricepoint by a grand.What do you mean? The D300s is priced at $1799, this is rumored to hit at $1999...
rumoured to hit at $2700, but since BB prices in Canada are a bit much maybe more like $2200-2500?
nads wrote
Kevin Sherman wrote
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
rumoured to hit at $2700, but since BB prices in Canada are a bit much maybe more like $2200-2500?
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:15 PM
p.14 #9Canon 7D
I think my point stands though, as there are countless situations where the extra resolution/reach can be invaluable. Here's an example where in the melée to shoot the bride as she went away from the church one of my photographers got me in the picture by accident. Luckily he was using a 5D2, so there's plenty of leeway for cropping
I know wedding photographers who have stopped turning their cameras vertical anymore (which has always been a hassle when a flash is attached). They just crop verticals out of horizontals, now that they have enough pixels to play with.
I know wedding photographers who have stopped turning their cameras vertical anymore (which has always been a hassle when a flash is attached). They just crop verticals out of horizontals, now that they have enough pixels to play with.
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:16 PM
p.14 #10Canon 7D
anorphirith wrote:
has this been posted ?
haha that is third try since this morning and fourth total
but the more the merrier
has this been posted ?
haha that is third try since this morning and fourth total
but the more the merrier
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:17 PM
p.14 #11Canon 7D
I'm sure they can't ignore what goes on in these forums - AF issues and high ISO banding would not have been addressed without our bitching. But this is a no win argument because there is no proof in the pudding, unless of course you work for the Canon higher-ups and have inside info
Of course they can. Three words: Invalid statistical sample. Internet forums are plain junk data for any real corporate planning.
This is not to say they don't listen to a relatively small, respected coterie of people who do use the internet--Rob Galbraith, for instance, who has had a "special relationship" with Chuck Westfall for years. But the general internet forum blather is just junk data.
But again, I am not arguing with you that the 5DMKII is a success (sales wise) - but I think this is mostly attributed to Canon lenses (that's just my opinion BTW, not a fact).
Why would anyone who had Canon lenses have bought a 5D2 if they didn't think it better than the 5D1? Professionals are leaping over crocodiles to buy the 5D2 (and did from the first day) specifically because it has finally been the camera to match medium format film cameras in both image quality and price.
I'm sure they can't ignore what goes on in these forums - AF issues and high ISO banding would not have been addressed without our bitching. But this is a no win argument because there is no proof in the pudding, unless of course you work for the Canon higher-ups and have inside info
Actually we do know that Canon got their "actionable" information on those problems from trusted sources, not from Internet forums--at least not directly. Those trusted sources might have been cued to investigate the problems based on Internet noise.
Of course they can. Three words: Invalid statistical sample. Internet forums are plain junk data for any real corporate planning.
This is not to say they don't listen to a relatively small, respected coterie of people who do use the internet--Rob Galbraith, for instance, who has had a "special relationship" with Chuck Westfall for years. But the general internet forum blather is just junk data.
But again, I am not arguing with you that the 5DMKII is a success (sales wise) - but I think this is mostly attributed to Canon lenses (that's just my opinion BTW, not a fact).
Why would anyone who had Canon lenses have bought a 5D2 if they didn't think it better than the 5D1? Professionals are leaping over crocodiles to buy the 5D2 (and did from the first day) specifically because it has finally been the camera to match medium format film cameras in both image quality and price.
I'm sure they can't ignore what goes on in these forums - AF issues and high ISO banding would not have been addressed without our bitching. But this is a no win argument because there is no proof in the pudding, unless of course you work for the Canon higher-ups and have inside info
Actually we do know that Canon got their "actionable" information on those problems from trusted sources, not from Internet forums--at least not directly. Those trusted sources might have been cued to investigate the problems based on Internet noise.
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:28 PM
p.14 #12Canon 7D
If the 7D is real, you can bet it will be spec'd and priced in the XXD zone + video.
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:41 PM
p.14 #13Canon 7D
The dial on that top has a bulb setting like the 5D's
Is there any other bodies in the canon lineup with bulb setting ?
Is there any other bodies in the canon lineup with bulb setting ?
Aug 20, 2009 at 01:59 PM
p.14 #14Canon 7D
RDKirk wrote:
...But the general internet forum blather is just junk data.
+infinity!
...But the general internet forum blather is just junk data.
+infinity!
Aug 20, 2009 at 02:02 PM
p.14 #15Canon 7D
You know what would be awesome? 50D w/ 1D autofocus ... and a 500 f4 EFS. 
Aug 20, 2009 at 02:03 PM
p.14 #16Canon 7D
RDKirk wrote:
Of course they can. Three words: Invalid statistical sample. Internet forums are plain junk data for any real corporate planning.
This is not to say they don't listen to a relatively small, respected coterie of people who do use the internet--Rob Galbraith, for instance, who has had a "special relationship" with Chuck Westfall for years. But the general internet forum blather is just junk data.
....Actually we do know that Canon got their "actionable" information on those problems from trusted sources, not from Internet forums--at least not directly. Those trusted sources might have been cued to investigate the problems based on...Show more →
Make sense..........but you can't deny that forums has impacted a lot of our buying decisions which in the end impacts Canon. (from the inital popularity of the 50 f1.8.........or the L fever bug that has swept over the entry level / pro-sumer market unseen from the film days - before internet forums were popular). But yeah, maybe Canon could care less about what we say here, I still haven't seen a 24-75 f1.8 IS we've all been asking for
Why would anyone who had Canon lenses have bought a 5D2 if they didn't think it better than the 5D1? Professionals are leaping over crocodiles to buy the 5D2 (and did from the first day) specifically because it has finally been the camera to match medium format film cameras in both image quality and price.
..............what I meant to say was that a lot of Canon shooters decided to stay in the Canon camp and not jump ship to Nikon or Sony because of the lenses Canon offer. Again, this is merely my opinion. I was almost on the verge of switching when Nikon introduced the D700 but did not because of the 35 & 85 L, I had no interest in the 5DMKII because it was overcooked on some aspects and under hashed on others, + the price was above what I wanted to pay, so I'm sticking to my trusty 5D.
Of course they can. Three words: Invalid statistical sample. Internet forums are plain junk data for any real corporate planning.
This is not to say they don't listen to a relatively small, respected coterie of people who do use the internet--Rob Galbraith, for instance, who has had a "special relationship" with Chuck Westfall for years. But the general internet forum blather is just junk data.
....Actually we do know that Canon got their "actionable" information on those problems from trusted sources, not from Internet forums--at least not directly. Those trusted sources might have been cued to investigate the problems based on...Show more →
Make sense..........but you can't deny that forums has impacted a lot of our buying decisions which in the end impacts Canon. (from the inital popularity of the 50 f1.8.........or the L fever bug that has swept over the entry level / pro-sumer market unseen from the film days - before internet forums were popular). But yeah, maybe Canon could care less about what we say here, I still haven't seen a 24-75 f1.8 IS we've all been asking for
Why would anyone who had Canon lenses have bought a 5D2 if they didn't think it better than the 5D1? Professionals are leaping over crocodiles to buy the 5D2 (and did from the first day) specifically because it has finally been the camera to match medium format film cameras in both image quality and price.
..............what I meant to say was that a lot of Canon shooters decided to stay in the Canon camp and not jump ship to Nikon or Sony because of the lenses Canon offer. Again, this is merely my opinion. I was almost on the verge of switching when Nikon introduced the D700 but did not because of the 35 & 85 L, I had no interest in the 5DMKII because it was overcooked on some aspects and under hashed on others, + the price was above what I wanted to pay, so I'm sticking to my trusty 5D.
Aug 20, 2009 at 02:20 PM
p.14 #17Canon 7D
RDKirk wrote:
No, I don't agree, not at all. For every manufacturer, especially for Canon and Nikon, there is rather short supply in the first months when demand seems to be frantic ("seems" because web hysteria makes it seem worse than it is), then demand levels off to meet the planned supply.
Manufacturers will not size production capacity to meet that initial demand. That would be stupid resource management to set up assembly floorspace, hire and train additional skilled workers, et cetera, just to mollify 30-60 days of silly Westerners kvetching on the Internet.
Exactly correct. It is an extremely common practice for manufacturers interested in maximizing profits to begin production by making less than the market will consume. The idea is to continue that level of output until sell through demand becomes equal to the production rate. At that point, the price can be lowered, resulting in an increase in sell through demand and the manufacturer can increase production volume to correspond to the new demand level.
The idea is to milk all of the consumer surplus possible and reap the maximum profits.
No, I don't agree, not at all. For every manufacturer, especially for Canon and Nikon, there is rather short supply in the first months when demand seems to be frantic ("seems" because web hysteria makes it seem worse than it is), then demand levels off to meet the planned supply.
Manufacturers will not size production capacity to meet that initial demand. That would be stupid resource management to set up assembly floorspace, hire and train additional skilled workers, et cetera, just to mollify 30-60 days of silly Westerners kvetching on the Internet.
Exactly correct. It is an extremely common practice for manufacturers interested in maximizing profits to begin production by making less than the market will consume. The idea is to continue that level of output until sell through demand becomes equal to the production rate. At that point, the price can be lowered, resulting in an increase in sell through demand and the manufacturer can increase production volume to correspond to the new demand level.
The idea is to milk all of the consumer surplus possible and reap the maximum profits.
Aug 20, 2009 at 02:59 PM
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p.14 #18Canon 7D
What's "M-Fn" when it's at home then ?
Aug 20, 2009 at 03:06 PM
p.14 #19Canon 7D
Chris Beaumont wrote:
What's "M-Fn" when it's at home then ?
Mirror Lock Funtion?
Perry
What's "M-Fn" when it's at home then ?
Mirror Lock Funtion?
Perry
Aug 20, 2009 at 03:07 PM
p.14 #20Canon 7D
Maybe, Fn implies customisable though rather than just "on/off"
Aug 20, 2009 at 03:11 PM