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p.13 #1Canon 7D
Do you not agree that Canon tends to play this a bit more than other manufacturers? Canon releases gear, and then they don't manufacture to demand. They've actually brought the numbers down, to the point that even if demand is less, there's still a perceived demand because they simply aren't cranking the gear out fast enough.
RDKirk wrote:
Not really. 'Way too much noise in the noise:data ratio, and in no way are forums any kind of valid statistical sample.
Sales are exceeding manufacturing capacity. How is that an "embarssment?" Laforet's video was out before the camera was even widely available, so how could it have "turned the tide?" The camera was hit the first day of release.
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Of course we define the market. It would be an even bigger fallacy if Canon execs don't visit the forum to do market research - I mean, photography forums are a gold mine to gauge the current mood of the market.Earlier quote
As far as leaks are concerned, I think Canon was frankly embarassed with the intro of the 5DMarkII.Aug 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM
p.13 #2Canon 7D
cineski wrote:
I agree with roanjohnnyc. FM's attitude mirrors what I see with non-FMers. And it is funny how a VIDEO made with a still camera is what got everyone so jived about the 5D2. And in regards to Canon's lenses......yup! That's the only thing keeping me from jumping ship to Nikon. My 24-70, 50L and 85L are simply that outstanding. It's funny, I was visiting a buddy of mine's studio yesterday and he had a 2nd photographer shoot for him that shot with Nikon gear (this studio shoots Canon). The studio manager and I got to chatting about it, and she...Show more →
Yep, give me that 35,85, 135L on nikon (we're talking just as good!) and I'd be out of here!
The lenses are the only thing keeping me Canon.
I agree with roanjohnnyc. FM's attitude mirrors what I see with non-FMers. And it is funny how a VIDEO made with a still camera is what got everyone so jived about the 5D2. And in regards to Canon's lenses......yup! That's the only thing keeping me from jumping ship to Nikon. My 24-70, 50L and 85L are simply that outstanding. It's funny, I was visiting a buddy of mine's studio yesterday and he had a 2nd photographer shoot for him that shot with Nikon gear (this studio shoots Canon). The studio manager and I got to chatting about it, and she...Show more →
Yep, give me that 35,85, 135L on nikon (we're talking just as good!) and I'd be out of here!
The lenses are the only thing keeping me Canon.
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
p.13 #3Canon 7D
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
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p.13 #4Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
brainiac - "if you were using 12 mpx...........that memory card might still have some room for that shot"
;-) OK - granted. I think my point stands though, as there are countless situations where the extra resolution/reach can be invaluable. Here's an example where in the melée to shoot the bride as she went away from the church one of my photographers got me in the picture by accident. Luckily he was using a 5D2, so there's plenty of leeway for cropping:
http://cyberphotographer.com/5d2/bridecrop.jpg
No doubt the pixel police will explain to me all of the things I am doing wrong, and I thank you sincerely for the advice, but each photographer has her own way of solving problems. For me, wide apertures, bleeding edge high iso, and high resolution sensors allow me to hand over a result to my customers that I know will please them and justify my fee. In the old days some photographers used to do group and formal shots on 35mm. In my opinion a little more effort would justify a higher fee and provide a better result for posterity.
cineski wrote
12 megapixels is perfect......with situational awarenessbrainiac wrote
..... The congregation are getting their shots of it, but you only have your 85 f1.2 mounted and the memory card just filled in your other body.........;-) OK - granted. I think my point stands though, as there are countless situations where the extra resolution/reach can be invaluable. Here's an example where in the melée to shoot the bride as she went away from the church one of my photographers got me in the picture by accident. Luckily he was using a 5D2, so there's plenty of leeway for cropping:
http://cyberphotographer.com/5d2/bridecrop.jpg
No doubt the pixel police will explain to me all of the things I am doing wrong, and I thank you sincerely for the advice, but each photographer has her own way of solving problems. For me, wide apertures, bleeding edge high iso, and high resolution sensors allow me to hand over a result to my customers that I know will please them and justify my fee. In the old days some photographers used to do group and formal shots on 35mm. In my opinion a little more effort would justify a higher fee and provide a better result for posterity.
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM
p.13 #5Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
Of course we define the market. It would be an even bigger fallacy if Canon execs don't visit the forum to do market research - I mean, photography forums are a gold mine to gauge the current mood of the market.
I don't believe we define the market. I do believe there is great insight into possibilities here. There may be a gold mine here, but I don't see a lot of evidence that Canon has mined anything from here in the several years I've been visiting. Seasons come and seasons go, but any new ideas from this thread couldn't even be considered for 1-3 years. Today's mood won't matter to the camera that's been in development for months. I believe the best way to send a message to Canon is to email it directly.
Of course we define the market. It would be an even bigger fallacy if Canon execs don't visit the forum to do market research - I mean, photography forums are a gold mine to gauge the current mood of the market. I don't believe we define the market. I do believe there is great insight into possibilities here. There may be a gold mine here, but I don't see a lot of evidence that Canon has mined anything from here in the several years I've been visiting. Seasons come and seasons go, but any new ideas from this thread couldn't even be considered for 1-3 years. Today's mood won't matter to the camera that's been in development for months. I believe the best way to send a message to Canon is to email it directly.
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:49 AM
p.13 #6Canon 7D
RDKirk wrote:
Not really. 'Way too much noise in the noise:data ratio, and in no way are forums any kind of valid statistical sample.
I'm sure they can't ignore what goes on in these forums - AF issues and high ISO banding would not have been addressed without our bitching. But this is a no win argument because there is no proof in the pudding, unless of course you work for the Canon higher-ups and have inside info
Sales are exceeding manufacturing capacity. How is that an "embarssment?" Laforet's video was out before the camera was even widely available, so how could it have "turned the tide?" The camera was hit the first day of release.
Embarassment might've been the wrong word...... but the 5DMKII was a mixed bag when it came to initial reactions......... Unlike the D700 where it pretty much hit all the right spots (AF, low noise, compact body etc.) and this for both Nikon and Canon shooters. If you remember, it wasn't until the Laforet video came out that the nay sayers were silenced (or kept to a minimum). But again, I am not arguing with you that the 5DMKII is a success (sales wise) - but I think this is mostly attributed to Canon lenses (that's just my opinion BTW, not a fact).
Not really. 'Way too much noise in the noise:data ratio, and in no way are forums any kind of valid statistical sample.
I'm sure they can't ignore what goes on in these forums - AF issues and high ISO banding would not have been addressed without our bitching. But this is a no win argument because there is no proof in the pudding, unless of course you work for the Canon higher-ups and have inside info
Sales are exceeding manufacturing capacity. How is that an "embarssment?" Laforet's video was out before the camera was even widely available, so how could it have "turned the tide?" The camera was hit the first day of release.
Embarassment might've been the wrong word...... but the 5DMKII was a mixed bag when it came to initial reactions......... Unlike the D700 where it pretty much hit all the right spots (AF, low noise, compact body etc.) and this for both Nikon and Canon shooters. If you remember, it wasn't until the Laforet video came out that the nay sayers were silenced (or kept to a minimum). But again, I am not arguing with you that the 5DMKII is a success (sales wise) - but I think this is mostly attributed to Canon lenses (that's just my opinion BTW, not a fact).
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:52 AM
p.13 #7Canon 7D
brainiac - I valued your opinion until I saw you using your POP-UP flash on a wedding!!
I kEED!! I keed!!
I kEED!! I keed!!
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM
p.13 #8Canon 7D
michael49 wrote:
So, do you guys think it will be FF, 1.3X or 1.6X?
At this time I'm convinced that it's going to be 1.6x.
So, do you guys think it will be FF, 1.3X or 1.6X?
At this time I'm convinced that it's going to be 1.6x.
Aug 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM
p.13 #9Canon 7D
Don't forget low ISO noise and banding. I've had a few experiences lately that say to me all Canon really needs to do to cut down on banding issues is higher quality shielding inside the camera. I took some pictures recently in the middle of Kansas. It was quite literally the middle of nowhere. No electrical activity within miles. I've never seen such clean high ISO as in those pictures.
roanjohnnyc wrote:
I'm sure they can't ignore what goes on in these forums - AF issues and high ISO banding would not have been addressed without our bitching. But this is a no win argument because there is no proof in the pudding, unless of course you work for the Canon higher-ups and have inside info
miles. I've never seen such clean high ISO as in those pictures.roanjohnnyc wrote:
RDKirk wrote
Not really. 'Way too much noise in the noise:data ratio, and in no way are forums any kind of valid statistical sample.Aug 20, 2009 at 10:56 AM
p.13 #10Canon 7D
I'm going to say 1.3 crop. As much as I'd like to see this be FF, I do think Canon is going for a mini-1d3. If this was 1.6 crop, I'd suspect the Canon offerings would be far too muddled unless the 7D is really the new terminology for the XXd series.
George.ML wrote:
At this time I'm convinced that it's going to be 1.6x.
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michael49 wrote
So, do you guys think it will be FF, 1.3X or 1.6X?Aug 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM
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p.13 #11Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
brainiac - I valued your opinion until I saw you using your POP-UP flash on a wedding!!
I kEED!! I keed!!
;-) ha-ha! I do all my best work with pop-up flash! It was gloomy and raining and I quite like p-u flash for fill...
brainiac - I valued your opinion until I saw you using your POP-UP flash on a wedding!!
I kEED!! I keed!!
;-) ha-ha! I do all my best work with pop-up flash! It was gloomy and raining and I quite like p-u flash for fill...
Aug 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM
p.13 #12Canon 7D
I've seen some hot pop up flash shots
hot spots I mean lol
hot spots I mean lol
Aug 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM
p.13 #13Canon 7D
What would be interesting is an APS-H camera with high-speed 1.6x mode. A plus they could implement would be the ability to mount an EF-S lens and crop anywhere within the portion of its image circle that falls in the APS-H frame, for output ratios other than 3:2.
Aug 20, 2009 at 11:39 AM
p.13 #14Canon 7D
brainiac wrote:
;-) ha-ha! I do all my best work with pop-up flash!
...........you mean "most of my best work" right?
;-) ha-ha! I do all my best work with pop-up flash!
...........you mean "most of my best work" right?
Aug 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM
p.13 #15Canon 7D
WillWeb wrote:
What would be interesting is an APS-H camera with high-speed 1.6x mode. A plus they could implement would be the ability to mount an EF-S lens and crop anywhere within the portion of its image circle that falls in the APS-H frame, for output ratios other than 3:2.
Why not just go full frame? 1.3x vs 1.6x is such a minimal difference. For me, it's either full frame with 1.6x high speed mode................. or fast 1.3x crop and thats it.
What would be interesting is an APS-H camera with high-speed 1.6x mode. A plus they could implement would be the ability to mount an EF-S lens and crop anywhere within the portion of its image circle that falls in the APS-H frame, for output ratios other than 3:2.
Why not just go full frame? 1.3x vs 1.6x is such a minimal difference. For me, it's either full frame with 1.6x high speed mode................. or fast 1.3x crop and thats it.
Aug 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM
p.13 #16Canon 7D
Kevin Sherman wrote:
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
not much of a swipe when they miss nikon's pricepoint by a grand.
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
not much of a swipe when they miss nikon's pricepoint by a grand.
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
p.13 #17Canon 7D
cineski wrote:
Do you not agree that Canon tends to play this a bit more than other manufacturers? Canon releases gear, and then they don't manufacture to demand.
Not remotely true - just ask any Nikonian about the frenzy of frustration caused by the on (and on and) ongoing lack of D200s.
I nearly got into an actual punch-up with another prospective D200 buyer over one that became available at short notice when someone backed out of a pre-order.
And it was like that for months.
I got my 40D within a week of release no problem, and before that, my first 30D very soon after UK release too.
Do you not agree that Canon tends to play this a bit more than other manufacturers? Canon releases gear, and then they don't manufacture to demand.
Not remotely true - just ask any Nikonian about the frenzy of frustration caused by the on (and on and) ongoing lack of D200s.
I nearly got into an actual punch-up with another prospective D200 buyer over one that became available at short notice when someone backed out of a pre-order.
And it was like that for months.
I got my 40D within a week of release no problem, and before that, my first 30D very soon after UK release too.
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM
p.13 #18Canon 7D
nads wrote:
Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.not much of a swipe when they miss nikon's pricepoint by a grand.
What do you mean? The D300s is priced at $1799, this is rumored to hit at $1999...
Kevin Sherman wrote
My guess, this 7D is a 1.3x crop, 6-8fps, Pro level AF (1D series-ish) and 1080p video.Literally a swipe at the D300s, but with a larger sensor.
What do you mean? The D300s is priced at $1799, this is rumored to hit at $1999...
Aug 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM
p.13 #19Canon 7D
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Aug 20, 2009 at 12:18 PM