RDKirk wrote:
A guy who has been living in Japan for a number of years provided an interesting perspective on that. His point: The Japanese public did not take up PCs in the 80s and 90s to the extent that Westerners and others did, and by the time they were interested in email, cell phones using their character-based system were more convenient.
Thus: There is a very great market in Japan for cameras that download directly into printers (and for printers that directly take memory cards).
that's very VERY true- and i don't know how i'd forgotten completely about it. Computers are still not very prevalent(sp?) in Japanese society.
Schlotkins wrote:
I really wish canon would update the 70-200 f4 with IS. That would be a big bonus to me. I don't think they are going to do it, but...
All the buzz is very interesting. I just spent the last, however long it was, reading all these posts and found about 90% speculation, 9% hope and 1% valid rumor. What this tells me is that Canon has done a stellar job at keeping anyone who really knows anything absolutely quiet, I'd dare say they threatened them, maybe by telling them if they are found to be a leak, they will force them to shoot film for the rest of their lives which would be tantamount to torture .
It sounds like the August 24th announcement is propably real, and it seems likely what some have speculated about a Nikon D80 competitor because that is what they need (not what I want, but what they need). I can only hope that a new 1D series will be announced as well, and as far as the 50 f/1.2 L, I will join the chant with you and if not this time around, maybe Canon will hear the photographic world uniting and decide to appease us
wjmeyer wrote:
All the buzz is very interesting. I just spent the last, however long it was, reading all these posts and found about 90% speculation, 9% hope and 1% valid rumor. What this tells me is that Canon has done a stellar job at keeping anyone who really knows anything absolutely quiet, I'd dare say they threatened them, maybe by telling them if they are found to be a leak, they will force them to shoot film for the rest of their lives which would be tantamount to torture .
Or maybe their Japanese employees are just plain honorable folk. Canon Inc is a traditional Japanese company that practices lifetime employment--and expects (and probably gets) a great deal of employee loyalty.
It sounds like the August 24th announcement is propably real, and it seems likely what some have speculated about a Nikon D80 competitor because that is what they need (not what I want, but what they need). I can only hope that a new 1D series will be announced as well, and as far as the 50 f/1.2 L, I will join the chant with you and if not this time around, maybe Canon will hear the photographic world uniting and decide to appease us
Whatever Canon announces will have been in development long before the announcement of the D80.
wjmeyer wrote:
{snip} ... reading all these posts and found about 90% speculation, 9% hope and 1% valid rumor ... {snip}
Bill is right ... maybe it should not be the Unofficial Rumor Thread, but the Official Speculation and Wish-List Thread
RDKirk wrote:
Or maybe their Japanese employees are just plain honorable folk. Canon Inc is a traditional Japanese company that practices lifetime employment--and expects (and probably gets) a great deal of employee loyalty.
Whatever Canon announces will have been in development long before the announcement of the D80.
RD - very true, something we have certainly lost in our country. My father took a job right out of college and stayed there until he retired, this is not true for our generation. While far from perfect, I highly respect the Japanese culture, and certainly appreciate the products they send my way
To your second point, I wholeheartedly agree, it almost seems like Nikon and Canon shares their R&D with each other because one or the other always seems to be riding on the heels of the other in terms of what is released.
This got me to thinking, a few years back I went on an 8-day fishing trip and one of the other fishermen onboard worked for Intel, we had some good talks but one thing stuck out, he mentioned that at that time, Intel had the technology for the next three generations of chips, but it wasn't financially wise to release what they were capable of creating. I'm not really sure if that was true or not, but it makes me wonder if that might not be the case for latest technology.
For instance, it wouldn't make sense for Canon to have introduced a 16MP camera three years ago because they could release a 12MP camera and make a lot of money off of it, only to upgrade last year to a 16MP and make money off people upgrading to the next new thing.
Whatever happens, I'm always excited when announcements are made on new products because they almost always mean I have the opportunity for better tools to capture images which is what this is all about.
wjmeyer wrote:
All the buzz is very interesting. I just spent the last, however long it was, reading all these posts and found about 90% speculation, 9% hope and 1% valid rumor. What this tells me is that Canon has done a stellar job at keeping anyone who really knows anything absolutely quiet, I'd dare say they threatened them, maybe by telling them if they are found to be a leak, they will force them to shoot film for the rest of their lives which would be tantamount to torture .
It sounds like the August 24th announcement is propably real, and it seems likely what some have speculated about a Nikon D80 competitor because that is what they need (not what I want, but what they need). I can only hope that a new 1D series will be announced as well, and as far as the 50 f/1.2 L, I will join the chant with you and if not this time around, maybe Canon will hear the photographic world uniting and decide to appease us ...Show more →
I think they've done a stellar job of keeping the announcements under wraps and getting everyone to speculate!
Obviously we all must like this activity, otherwise this thread wouldn't be.
Was the relatively minor upgrade from 20D to 30D an indication that progression in Canon's productline is going to be made at a slower pace? Then will the 1DsII have a slight upgrade to a 1DsmkIIn level (bigger LCD, Picture styles etc.)? Or was the 30D a minor upgrade because it was just an interim model that will have a revolutionary successor sooner than anyone expects? This is what happened with the D60-10D remember? Canon has shown that it has a short time to market in comparison to the competition. I would not be surprised if a full frame 350D successor sub 1000$ offering would come (small body low feature level) even if this would cannabilize 30D business. Or if a 50D in the same price class as the 30D with new sensor technology (full color high DR full frame or not) would be introduced. Even if this camera would lack some important feature that the 30D has (for example no good high ISO performance) there would be a position in Canon's productline close to the 30D. It could be a testbed for new techology before introducing that to a new flagship model next year. Even if Canon offered a 3500D with no RAW and only program modes at 400$ that would be no surprise. Canon does have a lot of opportunities with technology and marketing they developed the last 5 years. The fact that they have created this position and be one of the few very healthy companies making money on digital (this is not true for most of the competition!) is an indication that Canon will go on offering us lots of EOSfun, now and in the near future.
Jeff (moderator) wrote: OK, how about this: An all new design, with a modular sensor that can be removed and exchanged, cleaned, etc., sort of like a PCMCIA card, processing engine included. You could have a smaller format, higher-speed, high-ISO sensor for sports and PJ, a super-high resolution (22 MP? ) sensor with increased dynamic range (maybe multiple colors/pixel? ) a la the 1Ds, maybe even an IR sensor module. How 'bout a new mount that allows for one of those sensors to be larger, then an adapter for EF format? Slide 'em out, clean'em up, pick which one you want, slide it back in and you're off and running! Now that might be worth $10K. It kinda gives you pause as to why they haven't been working on any new wides in the EF line. Maybe they have been working on the wide end......Show more →
Kindof classic F1n EOS model? Removable sensors? Heck, maybe even a film back? I thought this was the concept of Nikon's F6, but never have seen one, nor have read about a digital back for that Nikon. But a new EOS flagship with these specs would probably drive Guy Mancuso and other Leica Modul users back to Canon. Even Hassy users with a digital back could be seduced to try the EOSfun. I want one like that Jeff Where can I post my pre-order?
The properties of that picture say Samsung-Sigma300, so that suggests it is the back of a Sigma camera there. But, I have to admit that type and icons, just like color of materials look much more like a Canon than a Sigma (has blacker plastic, other type and different button layout). It might be a Photoshop assembled picture as well as an illustration of what kind of application of thiis component could be expected. Just not enough proof for some real new Canon, but a nice find anyway! Have EOSfun!
That is a canon camera. The symbols and everything are canons. Though it could be a photoshop but I doubt it. I've seen news stories about this LCD shown with different photos (photos of the LCD ONLY, not one in a camera).
Edited by MaxiKana on Aug 16, 2006 at 09:48 PM GMT
I think Canon's statement (OK, don't have a link at hand ) that they didn't boost the 30D to 10mp is a big sign that the rate of image quality improvement will be greatly slowing. They may have reached close to the frontier of the mp/noise tradeoff.
The main thing that might occur is that, because of lower and lower costs, there is no need for a 350d-level body after a while because the 30d-level gets cheap and does more and it no longer is possible to have two different price points. Well, not sure how exactly that is different from the 350d adding features with each revision and evolving to be a 30d-level camera and the 30d evolving into the 5d range. Maybe just semantics. Anyway, a number of years down the road, but that is where I see "progression" occurring.
eosfun wrote:
Was the relatively minor upgrade from 20D to 30D an indication that progression in Canon's productline is going to be made at a slower pace? Then will the 1DsII have a slight upgrade to a 1DsmkIIn level (bigger LCD, Picture styles etc.)? Or was the 30D a minor upgrade because it was just an interim model that will have a revolutionary successor sooner than anyone expects? This is what happened with the D60-10D remember? Canon has shown that it has a short time to market in comparison to the competition. I would not be surprised if a full frame 350D successor sub 1000$ offering would come (small body low feature level) even if this would cannabilize 30D business. Or if a 50D in the same price class as the 30D with new sensor technology (full color high DR full frame or not) would be introduced. Even if this camera would lack some important feature that the 30D has (for example no good high ISO performance) there would be a position in Canon's productline close to the 30D. It could be a testbed for new techology before introducing that to a new flagship model next year. Even if Canon offered a 3500D with no RAW and only program modes at 400$ that would be no surprise. Canon does have a lot of opportunities with technology and marketing they developed the last 5 years. The fact that they have created this position and be one of the few very healthy companies making money on digital (this is not true for most of the competition!) is an indication that Canon will go on offering us lots of EOSfun, now and in the near future....Show more →
Dan Martin wrote:
I'm thinking that screen is a photoshop. Unless they made the buttons much larger on the camera, it's the same size screen as my 30D.
Also, what camera shoots RAW+L and only has a 2.61MB file?
eosfun wrote:
Was the relatively minor upgrade from 20D to 30D an indication that progression in Canon's productline is going to be made at a slower pace?
I think Canon has the xxD line about where they want it until they introduce a 24x36mm sensor into this price point, which I think they will do instead of stuffing more pixels into the APS-C sensor...because they have the technology to put a 24x36mm sensor into a $1500 camera and nobody else has and because they have said that every DSLR "except the least expensive" will have a 24x36mm sensor. I would not expect to see anything other than plug-in and firmware features until the full-frame xxD comes out...perhaps at PMA 2007.
The fact that they did not introduce a new model of the 1D at its cycle "schedule" last year suggests to me that they are waiting until Photokina 2006 to unveil the "next generation" of both 1D cameras.
I'm beginning to think that real changes to Canon models are actually based on processor cycles rather than sensor cycles.
wjmeyer wrote:
This got me to thinking, a few years back I went on an 8-day fishing trip and one of the other fishermen onboard worked for Intel, we had some good talks but one thing stuck out, he mentioned that at that time, Intel had the technology for the next three generations of chips, but it wasn't financially wise to release what they were capable of creating. I'm not really sure if that was true or not, but it makes me wonder if that might not be the case for latest technology. .
I don't necessarily know what "had the technology" means, nor do I necessarily know what "financially wise" means. I know it does not necessarily mean they could have actually fielded it then, or that it would have been financially practical for them to do so for reasons other than maximizing profits.
"Had the technology" might mean their developers knew how to do it, but that doesn't mean they had the assembly process worked out. It doesn't mean they could corporately afford to sink money into a new process at that time.
There are a lot of things that have to connect. For example, if Canon had introduced a 22mp sensor two years ago, it would have had to be tethered to a computer--nobody made CF cards large enough (and cheap enough) two years ago to be practical. They would have been ridiculed, because the high-end customer does not buy a small camera to tether it.
That's presuming they even would have had a DIGIC chip to have matched the sensor. They would have been limited to 2fps, which also would not have made anyone happy.
However, Canon certainly did expect to be able to push 16mp up to 8fps by now, which is what their execs predicted two years ago.
That has to be the new LCD for the new Canon camera.
Yes, it is. You'll just have to wait and see which model it appears on. The three little side "thumbnails" automatically pop up when you set the camera to auto-bracketing.
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