Brent Ward wrote:
I wouldn't bring up dell unless they are in the same catagory as ford & GM. :P
I thought Dell laptops were a hot commodity now. I mean really smokin'.
Seriously though - I didn't mean to start any sort of Japanese companies vs. US companies debate - just that I had read that Japanese companies are more willing to take losses over a long term (ie several quarters) to edge out competitors. I don't even know if that's correct, or still applies - just that I had read it.
Numfar wrote:
just that I had read that Japanese companies are more willing to take losses over a long term (ie several quarters) to edge out competitors. I don't even know if that's correct, or still applies - just that I had read it.
B
The technical term for that is "predatory pricing," illegal in the US. A mighty hard case to prove, however...
something that came just to my mind :
Isn´t it possible to just move the sensor a bit further back from the lens mount ?
Therefore increase the sensor area with keeping the pixel density low.
In a crop mode (only part of the sensor used), wouldn´t the result be the same for the pixel density as for the 1Ds2 in the past ? Would this be overall feasibile ?
Just my 10 cents ...
timbop wrote:
Wishful thinking! No way that canon goes into a price war. They have the best technology, the best system, and the lion's share of the high end market. Canon wants to be viewed as the premier brand, not the discount brand.
I think it's very much in Canon's interest to do that. The 300D owned the entry DSLR market in its time. The D50 does now. Not because it's better, but because it's cheaper. Yeah we can all list the things we think are better about the 350D, but the most important stat for that type of camera is cost. If Canon undersells the D50 they will wipe the floor with it. I bet Canon sells 1000 cameras for $700 for every one that they sell at $7000.
something that came just to my mind :
Isn´t it possible to just move the sensor a bit further back from the lens mount ?
Therefore increase the sensor area with keeping the pixel density low.
In a crop mode (only part of the sensor used), wouldn´t the result be the same for the pixel density as for the 1Ds2 in the past ? Would this be overall feasibile ?
Just my 10 cents ...
Kai
Yea it is possible if you do not mind totally out of focus images...
Something just doesn’t seem right. Why would Canon put a 10MP sensor on a consumer body first? Isn’t it prosumer bodies where you make those kinds of improvements?
The B&H Photo website is currently down! Maybe It got bombarded by people trying to see if new Canon DSLRs are posted even as "available soon" items. Im not joking.
Monito wrote:
The New Gear threads are designed to function the same way as this thread, to consolidate posts so that there are not dozens of redundant threads.
Yes I know, Thats why I added the " "
It gets like this all the time when new stuff is about the be anounced thats all.
mjcabrera wrote:
Something just doesn’t seem right. Why would Canon put a 10MP sensor on a consumer body first? Isn’t it prosumer bodies where you make those kinds of improvements?
It's possible (albeit unlikely) that Canon won't offer anything larger than 8MP in the prosumer lineup to control noise; they're just offering 10MP at the low end for those who can't understand why bigger isn't always better.
DrPablo wrote:
I think it's very much in Canon's interest to do that. The 300D owned the entry DSLR market in its time. The D50 does now. Not because it's better, but because it's cheaper. Yeah we can all list the things we think are better about the 350D, but the most important stat for that type of camera is cost. If Canon undersells the D50 they will wipe the floor with it. I bet Canon sells 1000 cameras for $700 for every one that they sell at $7000.
Yes, for about the same money an 8MP rebel XT will kill the D50; there is no reason to undercut down to sub $500. And yes, the d-reb sales far exceed the high end cameras.
Sneakyracer wrote:
The B&H Photo website is currently down! Maybe It got bombarded by people trying to see if new Canon DSLRs are posted even as "available soon" items. Im not joking.
something that came just to my mind :
Isn´t it possible to just move the sensor a bit further back from the lens mount ?
Therefore increase the sensor area with keeping the pixel density low.
In a crop mode (only part of the sensor used), wouldn´t the result be the same for the pixel density as for the 1Ds2 in the past ? Would this be overall feasibile ?
Just my 10 cents ...
Kai
If you move the sensor further away from the rear element of the lens by a little bit then you lose infinity focus but you can still focus close up. If you have any alternate non-Canon glass you can play around with this on a Canon body. It turns out only tiny differences in this distance have a huge impact on focus. We're talking about fractions of a mm.
I've played around with this by taking lenses apart and re-adjusting their focus points. It is possible to re-adjust the lense to a degree manually to compensate for the increased distance. However once you've locked in these adjustments even if they work fine at the new distance they will no longer work at the original distance. Therefore the lens becomes incompatible with the standard sensor distance.
Edited by netexpress on Aug 23, 2006 at 07:36 PM GMT
mstolting wrote:
Juan Jose Calvillo wrote: "This is a link to a PDF that's predicting your $5,000 1Ds X price for the next model. http://www.dialogen.no/foto/EOS_cameras.pdf "
Note the price listed for the 10D (my first digital SLR) is wrong. The PDF file lists it for $2,000.00 when it actually went for $1500.00 (OK, $1499.00). Perhaps the prices reflected in the list are MSRP so I may be nit picking but one has to look at these projections with a grain (or perhaps a large block) of salt.
Mike Stolting
Well it isn't a Canon document, but supposedly a third party projection of what they believe Canon is releasing. Also, keep in mind that the predecessor to the 10D WAS about 2K. So whoever was projecting missed the price decrease. That said, you're right about the salt. It's nice to dream of the 1 series prices getting somewhat real though.
