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Integrity plus the perceived need of integrity. Nowadays we have government employees making money on government actions they know are going to happen. That’s sick.

In my days as a wire service reporter, we received some government data under embargo ahead of their release. In those minutes, hundreds of millions could be earned or lost with that knowledge, but no one involved - government employees or journalists - was playing fast and loose with the data, selling it to the highest bidder or some buddy on Wall Street.

And in some reactions to my comments here, it’s clear people are absolutely fine
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Some have the integrity to limit their profiting from their Government position. One such person limited himself to only 1.2 Billion in such profits last year. Credit where credit is due...



Jul 03, 2026 at 03:28 PM
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If “integrity” means limiting oneself to $1.2 billion in profits connected to public office, then the word has lost all meaning.


Jul 03, 2026 at 04:46 PM
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Getting back on topic:

Did anyone who went to this Leica event come back with any good images of the race event? All this praise for the AF and burst updates and I can't find a single killer race image from anyone. I wish they would have invited some automotive photographers to this thing.



Jul 03, 2026 at 06:01 PM
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I have yet to see any. I just watched Chelsea Northrup’s video and she showed a few pan shots with (mostly) too high a shutter speed. I suppose it doesn’t really matter. Obviously, it should be possible to take some good motorsports stuff with this camera, but they didn’t seem to have anybody there with any experience in the genre.


Jul 03, 2026 at 06:13 PM
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The B&H video shows a couple sequences (photo / video sections) where the AF / FPS seemed adequate. Nothing to write home about aesthetically, but the sequence didn't seem to suffer. That said, they weren't the most challenging of compositions, either. Mostly, just tracking through / out of a turn with modest focal length.

I haven't seen anything shot with long glass at speed, yet.
But, I'm not sure what glass Leica would have been passing out that would have qualified as such, either.



Jul 03, 2026 at 07:25 PM
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As I think I commented on earlier in this thread, DPR's gallery includes photos with the Leica/Sigma 100-400 but nothing I saw with this lens was critically in focus. I think there was a problem with the lens because photos with the 24-90 were much better, though heat off the track on the long shots may have been a slight factor. But yeah, the panning shots were generally too high a shutter speed or with poor technique if the SS was low enough.

Based on my experience photographing car and motorcycle racing with the Canon R6II, which specs-wise (sensor readout speed) is close to the SL3-P (slightly faster), panning was a significant challenge because of slight viewfinder lag even at 20/40 fps e-shutter. With the Canon, I'm pretty sure still frames are inserted to give the impression of no blackout, but it means as the sequence progresses, you fall a bit behind the actual position of the subject. And when panning a fast moving vehicle, it's very easy for this to throw you off enough and significantly affect the panning keeper rate, which will always be low when you're pushing the low shutter speeds needed to get the most dramatic effects. When I later shot motorcycles with the R1, which has something like 1/300 e-shutter readout and an extremely fluid EVF feed, my panning keeper rate increased significantly. With the R6II, raising the shutter speed resulted in more panning keepers, but significantly decreased the amount of background blur. It's a balance. We don't know how much time they had at the Ring to get their shots and many probably started off playing it safe with higher shutter speeds.

I'm now primarily using a Canon R5II with 1/160 sensor readout speed and better EVF refresh than the R6II, and it's a lot easier to keep up with action because the EVF experience is very close to realtime.

Just to prove I'm not all talk and no results, some racing photos with the Canon R6II and either a 70-200 or 200-400 to prove, yes, it's possible to get good results with a mid-range camera.

















Leica can send me an SL3-P, the slow focusing 90-280, a trip to the Ring and I'm pretty sure I can get them some good images.



Jul 03, 2026 at 10:07 PM
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As I think I commented on earlier in this thread, DPR's gallery includes photos with the Leica/Sigma 100-400 but nothing I saw with this lens was critically in focus. I think there was a problem with the lens because photos with the 24-90 were much better, though heat off the track on the long shots may have been a slight factor. But yeah, the panning shots were generally too high a shutter speed or with poor technique if the SS was low enough.

Based on my experience photographing car and motorcycle racing with the Canon R6II, which specs-wise (sensor readout speed)
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Truly some spectacular images! Impressive and well done!




Jul 03, 2026 at 10:21 PM
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zeitlos wrote:
If “integrity” means limiting oneself to $1.2 billion in profits connected to public office, then the word has lost all meaning.


My point exactly. The word integrity should never be used to describe anyone in politics, or likely any government employee. But that is not a new thing.



Jul 03, 2026 at 11:09 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
My point exactly. The word integrity should never be used to describe anyone in politics, or likely any government employee. But that is not a new thing.


On politicians, I largely agree, no matter the political ideology. On government employees, I don’t agree. I think most of them, like everywhere else, are good people trying to do a good job with the right intentions.



Jul 03, 2026 at 11:30 PM
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My point exactly. The word integrity should never be used to describe anyone in politics, or likely any government employee.

Luckily because people with integrity often end up killing people when the discover that the world is far too complex to fit their view of what is right or wrong
This is why nobody vote for them. And when for some reason, someone with integrity is genuinely trying to do good things while respecting others, he or she is the most hated by all the fanatics (see US history for instance) and ends up unvalued at best, persecuted in a way or another at worse

Does it has something to do with the SL3-P?



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Luckily because people with integrity often end up killing people when the discover that the world is far too complex to fit their view of what is right or wrong
This is why nobody vote for them. And when for some reason, someone with integrity is genuinely trying to do good things while respecting others, he or she is the most hated by all the fanatics (see US history for instance) and ends up unvalued at best, persecuted in a way or another at worse

Does it has something to do with the SL3-P?


The SL3-P is so fast, it can capture integrity as it speeds away from a corrupted individual…

No other camera can do that.



Jul 04, 2026 at 05:54 AM
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Does it has something to do with the SL3-P?

Anyone who has resisted the original Leica marketing will easily withstand any paid influencer on YouTube as well.😄



Jul 04, 2026 at 06:06 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
On politicians, I largely agree, no matter the political ideology. On government employees, I don’t agree. I think most of them, like everywhere else, are good people trying to do a good job with the right intentions.


Generaly they prey on their fellow citizens for salary, benifits, and fat early retirements. Hard to equate that to integrity.

Even a cursory look at history will show that is the civil servants that carry out the crimes of the politicians. They are the most dangerous and corrupt people in any society.



Jul 04, 2026 at 06:33 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Generaly they prey on their fellow citizens for salary, benifits, and fat early retirements. Hard to equate that to integrity.

Even a cursory look at history will show that is the civil servants that carry out the crimes of the politicians. They are the most dangerous and corrupt people in any society.


In the British system, as portrayed in Yes Minister, and Yes Prime Minister, the role of the civil service is to keep the country running, in a stable state of inertia, protecting it primarily from the fanciful political ideas and short term point scoring goals of the ruling parliamentary party :-)



Jul 04, 2026 at 09:10 AM
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Any comments on the SL3-Panasonic instead of politics?


Jul 04, 2026 at 09:16 AM
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Any comments on the SL3-Panasonic instead of politics?

Probably the best model for the first SL3 series body (unless you want Reporter look). It is harder to decide whether it is worth changing from SL3 or SL3-S.



Jul 04, 2026 at 09:47 AM
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I keep seeing interviews like this one from Leica leadership where they speak of the SL-3P as if it was an in house development project, or at least a co-development project in line with other cooperation between the companies, not a simple porting over of a Lumix camera.



Either this is a purposeful misdirect by omission from Leica marketing, or the SL3-P was a serious development project inside of Leica. This has caused me to take a deeper look at what the truth of this matter actually is. I decided to start by looking at the hardware the SL3-P and the Lumix actually share and what is different.

For sure the SL3-P is being manufactured by leica, in Leica's facilities. That is a huge difference.

They share the core sensor for sure. But this is not a Panasonic sensor, it is a Sony sensor. If we were to judge all cameras that share a Sony made sensor as simple copies the list would be long. In this case we know that Leica almost always uses different cover glass on it's sensors to optimise for Leica lens designs. I am guessing that is true here too.

The sensors share autofocus points so I am guessing that they share some algorithms here too. That would be consistent with a co-development process.

The two cameras have similar ports, slots, and inputs. Maybe they share those. But both buy these, not make them. All camera manufactures do this. It doesn't add up to proof of a copy.

For sure the two cameras don't share body design, materials, or manufacturing, Except for the L-Mount alliance. Huge difference here too. Clear differentiation in weather sealing, ergonomics, and haptics.

The do not share the same EVF, and optics in the Viewfinder. The SL3 line of cameras is my favorite EVF I have ever used. Big difference.

They do not share the same rear screen in size, resolution, or mounting. Again very different.

They may share the same Fujitsu processor hardware. Many camera manufactures use the same one. But the firmware engine that drives that processor is the Maestro IV which is absolutely proprietary to Leica, and used in may of its cameras. Big difference.

They do not share the same IBIS judging by the specs and performance. Probably advantage Lumix here.

When it comes to firmware, and software differences the two cameras a very different. In both video, and still there are advantages for each system. But clearly it is not the same and a simple port.

They certainly don't share the same interface, and workflow software of design esthetics. The SL3-P is certainly pure Leica in this area. Pick you preferences here.

Because of the L mount they 100% share the same lens libraries either OEM or 3rd party. I think wit certain Leica lenses the result may also very because of sensor covers and such.

The result is that the cameras, the user experience, and the ownership experience are very different.

If we just go by output in both video and stills, we cannot say which is absolutely better. That is personal, and very use case driven. You could probably use any number of cameras, from many brands, and achieve that at many different price points.

Clearly there is more that is different than there is the exact same. Although clearly there is some co-development between leica and Panasonic, the SL3-P is not a straight port and rebranding of the Lumix camera. I think this makes those saying that the primary difference is cost are really not looking at the whole issue in a neutral light. That is just not true. So, in the end we must each decide for ourselves what is important to us, and where the value is.

Your thoughts?



Jul 07, 2026 at 03:28 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
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The sensors share autofocus points so I am guessing that they share some algorithms here too. That would be consistent with a co-development process.


AFAIK, SL3-P has 819 focus points, while S1rII has 779. It seems that the PDAF pixel layout is different.

SL3-P also has dedicated Content Credentials hardware.



Jul 07, 2026 at 04:11 AM
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You could probably use any number of cameras, from many brands, and achieve that at many different price points.

Models from other brands that are so closely matched, yet cost half or double the price of their respective competitor? Frankly, I can't think of any examples.



Jul 07, 2026 at 04:15 AM
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Models from other brands that are so closely matched, yet cost half or double the price of their respective competitor? Frankly, I can't think of any examples.


But as I said price is not the issue in my post, nor for many Leica users. I think everyone knows Leica's prices are premium. In any case that statement from me you quoted was the ability to achieve an image or video that would serve the same purpose, not camera specifications.

What I am talking about is whether Leica is just rebranding or not. Personally, I am not very price sensitive. Buying even a Leica camera is a minor cost when compared to things like traveling to make images. If it is a hobby you enjoy, buy what you want. If it is a business, buy the best ROI on the type of photography you do and the way you like to work.

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