1bwana1 wrote:
Increased speed and processor power are certainly the key to improving AF and frame rates related features at high resolution. I guess that is why everyone goes there in such discussions.
However, in Leica's case surprisingly these are also issues for the manual focus M system. In fact they are the primary reasons that Leica has brought the development of sensors in house. IBIS, silent shooting, and more focus aids for the EV-1, are the most requested features for future generations of M based cameras. Leica is first and foremost focused on image quality, optically through lenses, and digitally through sensors and processors. Leica also understands how important form factor is to the M line. Leica will not sacrifice these priorities.
In order to achieve these more advanced features within the stated constraints, particularly for IBIS, will require the elimination of the mechanical shutter to make room in the form factor. This will require a high resolution, very fast, low scan time (some speculate global), no DR loss, sensor and processor. This technology is currently not available for purchase. So requiring a custom, in house, development project. This project is currently underway, but won't yield results in time for the M12 (name in question due to copyright issues) generation. ...Show more →
This is a smart move for Leica and likely they have no choice in order to advance their camera design. Ibis, eliminate shutter, dynamic range all need a new sensor design and a new processor. Sony and Canon both make sensors and processors, Nikon makes processors and buy sensors. I guess you have to at least make one of these things yourself in order the make the product you really want.
misteracng wrote:
This is a smart move for Leica and likely they have no choice in order to advance their camera design. Ibis, eliminate shutter, dynamic range all need a new sensor design and a new processor. Sony and Canon both make sensors and processors, Nikon makes processors and buy sensors. I guess you have to at least make one of these things yourself in order the make the product you really want.
I've never looked into this before, but out of curiosity, according to google search and If I'm asking Google the right question 😎, Canon and Nikon design their camera processors in -house and contract manufacturing to 3rd parties like TSMC in the case of Canon and Socionext Inc. ( previously co-owned by Fujitsu/Panasonic) for Nikon and Leica (Maestro)?
RustyBug wrote:
Interesting, but I did not follow ... how this ^ relates to the L mount AF experience is with different glass options / AF modes from the L platform (i.e. SL3-P / S1R II, etc.).
All the current model cameras are limited as much by the processing speed as they are by the sensor scan speeds. This includes the SL3 in all of its variants. It shows up in AF focus acquisition, AF tracking, AF subject Identification, file saving, precapture, and all other processor intensive operations. Until this is solved the SL series will never match the Sony in these areas.
The speed of different lenses are a different conversation.
My comments about the M series is just additional information.
LBJ2 wrote:
I've never looked into this before, but out of curiosity, according to google search and If I'm asking Google the right question 😎, Canon and Nikon design their camera processors in -house and contract manufacturing to 3rd parties like TSMC in the case of Canon and Socionext Inc. ( previously co-owned by Fujitsu/Panasonic) for Nikon and Leica (Maestro)?
Yes Nikon and Leica are using what was originally a Fujitsu processor core that itrails the Sony processor badly. The whole in-house story is similar to the sensor controversy. How much is designed in house on top of an available for sale core.
In any case the processors they are using, like the available for sale sensor cores are putting them at a disadvantage when compared to Sony. Internally, they are very concerned about the issue and doing what they can to mitigate.
LBJ2 wrote:
I've never looked into this before, but out of curiosity, according to google search and If I'm asking Google the right question 😎, Canon and Nikon design their camera processors in -house and contract manufacturing to 3rd parties like TSMC in the case of Canon and Socionext Inc. ( previously co-owned by Fujitsu/Panasonic) for Nikon and Leica (Maestro)?
Yes designing in house seems to help the situation a lot, outsource manufacturing is the norm because there are only a few fabs, if Leica can do this it will help a lot, but I would think this is a big undertaking but I think they have no choice if they want to keep up in this digital tech advancement .
While it always seems Leica is behind in tech, I understand where they are because they have limited resources and I think they honestly do pretty well with what they have. All this tech requires lots of hardware and software engineers and computing power.
1bwana1 wrote:
Until this is solved the SL series will never match the Sony in these areas.
Understood, just not my quest ... L Mount is my platform of choice.
The speed of different lenses are a different conversation.
Yes, this ^ ... relative to the L mount (i.e. SL3-P / S1R II ... and the diff's thereof, if any of significance).
My comments about the M series is just additional information.
