p.20 #1 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
rji2goleez wrote:
What about the 28P? How does that look corner to corner. Right now I only have the 55v and need more glass in the stable.
I got a fairly good one but it is a bit soft in the corners so I get good results in the corners at around F9-F11. This for landscapes, it's fantastic for everything else.
In order to clarify good vs bad, I am not talking about the lens design but referring to if the optics are well collimated / centered. I had to return early copies of the 38V and 55V a couple years ago because of how de-centered they were. The copies I have now are perfect and I love using them.
p.20 #2 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
I did some side to sides with Phocus and LRc and I was not compelled to carry on with Phocus. I do see that the lens corrections are pretty significant, which I guess some people have problems with. I do not.
p.20 #3 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
speedgraphic wrote:
I did some side to sides with Phocus and LRc and I was not compelled to carry on with Phocus. I do see that the lens corrections are pretty significant, which I guess some people have problems with. I do not.
A 3FR X2D files when imported into Phocus Desktop is stored as an fff raw fie, which is substantially smaller than the original 3FR file and can be imported into LRC. The reduced file size might make a difference for some. It does raise the question of why produce 3FR when fff supposedly contain the same uncompressed information. Phocus is throwing away something.
p.20 #4 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
Ai_Print wrote:
I got a fairly good one but it is a bit soft in the corners so I get good results in the corners at around F9-F11. This for landscapes, it's fantastic for everything else.
In order to clarify good vs bad, I am not talking about the lens design but referring to if the optics are well collimated / centered. I had to return early copies of the 38V and 55V a couple years ago because of how de-centered they were. The copies I have now are perfect and I love using them.
Ai print
Are you saying if one has a good 28P it can be used for candid use and cityscapes even wide open? Understand landscapes need f9-11.
I have the 25V and 38V and like both very much, but for a smaller package it seems the 28P is it. Correct? Thanks.
p.20 #5 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
stgrove wrote:
Ai print
Are you saying if one has a good 28P it can be used for candid use and cityscapes even wide open? Understand landscapes need f9-11.
I have the 25V and 38V and like both very much, but for a smaller package it seems the 28P is it. Correct? Thanks.
I think one could look at it this way, it's a really good lens that was actually promoted by Hasselblad as a "street" lens. I think at F4 you will find it is a bit slow at times but other than that, a lens worth having. But for a walk around, I like the 38V better because of the max aperture and it is not quite as wide. I'm not really a super wide guy so the 28 is about as wide as I would ever go in any case.
p.20 #6 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
Ai_Print wrote:
I want as sharp a corners as possible and as nice as the 38V and 55V are to operate and how sharp they are in the center, they are only OK in the corners where as the 45P, heavy 65 2.8 XCD are far better.
Are you using Phocus? I am not aware of this being an issue when using Phocus.
p.20 #7 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
SlowDriver wrote:
Are you using Phocus? I am not aware of this being an issue when using Phocus.
Don’t you think this is a matter of what you shoot and your definition of sharp? I have 48” long side taken with the 38v that I consider sharp from corner to corner wide open. Now, I don’t shoot planar subjects, copy work is an exception, so a bit of field curvature isn’t an issue and I rarely place my primary focus in a corner. I highly doubt that a different subject would pass my definition of sharp until stopped down, but I’m also sure that I don’t have clients that want edge sharpness when huge prints are viewed at close distance. My lenses are used for travel and the 38v is my favorite lens. In full frame format I use a 21mm Super-Elmer much of the time and I love the results from the 25v, but carrying it all day when walking ten miles per day is not as pleasant as with the 38v. I suspect the same goes for the 55v, but that just isn’t my preference of focal lengths. The 38v and 55v are great compromise lenses that keep the package small and the optics really quite good. The main thing here is corner vignetting, but I pass all my images through focus to generate fff raw files and then on to LRC.
p.20 #8 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
SlowDriver wrote:
Are you using Phocus? I am not aware of this being an issue when using Phocus.
No difference in using Phocus. I am not saying my corners on the 38 and 55 are not what are most would consider acceptably sharp, they are. It's just that the 45P and 65 XCD are much better in this regard.
p.20 #9 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
bwcolor wrote:
Don’t you think this is a matter of what you shoot and your definition of sharp? I have 48” long side taken with the 38v that I consider sharp from corner to corner wide open. Now, I don’t shoot planar subjects, copy work is an exception, so a bit of field curvature isn’t an issue and I rarely place my primary focus in a corner. I highly doubt that a different subject would pass my definition of sharp until stopped down, but I’m also sure that I don’t have clients that want edge sharpness when huge prints are viewed at close distance. My lenses are used for travel and the 38v is my favorite lens. In full frame format I use a 21mm Super-Elmer much of the time and I love the results from the 25v, but carrying it all day when walking ten miles per day is not as pleasant as with the 38v. I suspect the same goes for the 55v, but that just isn’t my preference of focal lengths. The 38v and 55v are great compromise lenses that keep the package small and the optics really quite good. The main thing here is corner vignetting, but I pass all my images through focus to generate fff raw files and then on to LRC....Show more →
I think this does sum it up pretty good. Both lenses have field curvature and depending on where you put the plane of focus, it can mitigate or exaggerate it. That edge to edge sharpness thing when viewing a large print close up is one of the things that is netting me more sales and commissions in one of the most exclusive and wealthy towns on earth.
My last five figure commission was for a local ski area. It consists of two massive panoramic aerials, one in Summer and the other in Winter, both are 36' feet wide and had to be stitched. These are in a very narrow hallway so the max viewing distance is 5' feet. In the Summer one shot with a Z9 and 70-200 at around 120mm, the detail is really good but breaks up a bit if you get to reading distance which given the informational tagging is well within the levels of acceptable. The Winter one was shot with the Z9 and 135mm 1.8 Plena lens at F 2.8 and is much sharper. You can use reading glasses and the detail holds up incredible well, this is a 4GB PSB file. I have never seen detail like this in such a large mural and neither have my clients, this absolutely pays off.
With a 102MP sensor, I have a minimum requirement when it comes to sharpness...
p.20 #10 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
I'm well on the record as finding the 55v to be a completely mediocre lens for the price regarding IQ. The one thing it has going for it is size for a medium format lens. Other than that...eh.
Modern full frame halo lenses are showing just how pointless MOST medium format shooting is these days.
p.20 #11 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
RoamingScott wrote:
I'm well on the record as finding the 55v to be a completely mediocre lens for the price regarding IQ. The one thing it has going for it is size for a medium format lens. Other than that...eh.
Modern full frame halo lenses are showing just how pointless MOST medium format shooting is these days.
I'll give a nod to this. I think a lens like the 135 Plena is easily a 100MP lens. There are others, but within my toolkit, this one stands out as that.
But there is more to it that that, how you gel with a camera and system also can play a role and for me, my lifelong use of Hasselblad keeps steady footing in that lane.
p.20 #12 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
Ai_Print wrote:
I'll give a nod to this. I think a lens like the 135 Plena is easily a 100MP lens. There are others, but within my toolkit, this one stands out as that.
But there is more to it that that, how you gel with a camera and system also can play a role and for me, my lifelong use of Hasselblad keeps steady footing in that lane.
No doubt, if you enjoy a system and have history with it, that's reason enough to shoot it.
I just have to laugh when people buy a Hasselblad for "IQ" and slap the 38v or 55v on it.
p.20 #13 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
RoamingScott wrote:
No doubt, if you enjoy a system and have history with it, that's reason enough to shoot it.
I just have to laugh when people buy a Hasselblad for "IQ" and slap the 38v or 55v on it.
Well, to be fair, I had to go through several copies of the 38 and 55 to find ones that were well centered and that made a big difference. So I would not say they are mediocre if you get samples that are well put together, they are just a compromised balance of speed, compact size and excellent center sharpness rolling off to acceptable sharpness into the corners.
A good relative comparison would be the Hasselblad 80mm 2.8 Planar compared to the 100mm 3.5 Planar, you see the same kind of speed / size vs out and out optical perfection when you go from the 80 to the 100.
p.20 #14 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
RoamingScott wrote:
No doubt, if you enjoy a system and have history with it, that's reason enough to shoot it.
I just have to laugh when people buy a Hasselblad for "IQ" and slap the 38v or 55v on it.
In the absolute sense your statement is sound, but Hasselblad knows, as do all of us, that lens and camera design is a matter of compromise. For those that value portability, you could argue that a medium format camera is the wrong tool, but again, I think this is a matter of compromise. I can get images that I can’t produce using my A7CR, but then again there are subjects better served by the Sony. When I shoot my M11 Monochrom with APO lenses, I think the output is close to what I get with my 38v. My 90v is superior to my Leica 75mm APO 2.0 and not sure regarding 25v because I just haven’t shot it with any frequency. All that said, all of these are good options depending on what you are shooting.
I’m about to take a road trip of a few weeks and only have a few images taken with my X2Dii, but will take a Mamiya 7ii and two, or three lenses and shoot E100, Ektar 100 and Portra 800. This outing will be more landscape oriented and the tools come with their own compromises. My X2D along with a XC 120mm f/4 Macro ii have been relegated to copying film.
p.20 #15 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
I haven't seen any small format system outperform a good copy of the 55V on the X2D. You can't consider the lens alone. It's part of a system. You can improve by using a better lens dependant on application. For example, use the 65 for landscapes. The 55 is better for more dynamic use though. But even an APO Summicron SL lens doesn't out resolve the X2D with a 55V in normal use.
Generally, I consider the 55V more like I consider the M 50mm Summilux. Not perfect but I really like the way it draws. The 65 is more like the APO Summicron. Higher resolving power, less character. I wouldn't say that makes the 55V mediocre. Just different. Lenses shouldn't be judged just on sharpness alone.
p.20 #16 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
@bwcolor
It would be shame to take this trip and not take the X2Dii with a V lens or two. I just took a trip for nearly 4 weeks and decided if I want to get to one with the X2Dii I was taking it and all my lenses, whether flying or not. Your trip sounds like a road trip due to taking lots of film. Come on, I bet you got some extra room for that X2Dii.
p.20 #17 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
I can't speak to the 55, but the 38 is really very good. My only real quibble with it is flare handling. It's really very sharp. I've never found any lack of sharpness, anywhere in the frame, that wasn't attributable to a stylistic choice.
RoamingScott wrote:
No doubt, if you enjoy a system and have history with it, that's reason enough to shoot it.
I just have to laugh when people buy a Hasselblad for "IQ" and slap the 38v or 55v on it.
p.20 #18 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
Fescue wrote:
I can't speak to the 55, but the 38 is really very good. My only real quibble with it is flare handling. It's really very sharp. I've never found any lack of sharpness, anywhere in the frame, that wasn't attributable to a stylistic choice.
My 38v arrives in a few days. I'll get to compare it with the 55v.
p.20 #19 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
Fescue wrote:
I can't speak to the 55, but the 38 is really very good. My only real quibble with it is flare handling. It's really very sharp. I've never found any lack of sharpness, anywhere in the frame, that wasn't attributable to a stylistic choice.
I've thought about doing a shootout with the Zf + CV 40 Ultron and the X2D + 55v just for giggles, since the Ultron is actually closer to 41-42mm in practice.
p.20 #20 · Official: Hasselblad X2D II 100C Medium Format Camera announced!
Like Flash here on the forum who appears to own most every significant brand and camera platform so huge respect from me, but my favorite X lens is the 55V on an X2D given how versatile it is in so many shooting situations. I bought into the X system at launch which was what 2015 (poor memory) and have owned every X lens made by Hasselblad. Favorite portrait 80 1.9, favorite wide 21mm, very sharp lens but sooo slow 120 macro, 65XCD is sharper across the entire frame against new 55V but for actual in the field people and environmental, not landscape I'll take the 55V every time. I did however notice a difference in optical quality from launch until this year on the 55V as due to health reasons I was buying and selling quite a number of 55V copies and this year the 2 copies I purchased new were quieter, sharper across the frame and had less vignetting.
I own or have owned virtually every significant Leica lens made for M since the 1960 and every Hasselblad film and digital lens and all time favorites from years of shooting with all from both Leica and Hasselblad are 1961 Leica 35mm 1.4 Steel Rim, 1975 E58 F1 Noctilux, 50mm 1.4 pre-asph titanium Summilux, 35mm pre-asph titanium Summilux, 35mm Steel Rim Infinity Lock, Hasselblad 100 3.5 CFI, Hasselblad 250 SA, Hasselblad 55V, Hasselblad XCD 65, Hasselblad 90V, Hasselblad XCD 21.
One M body and one M lens, M10M and 1961 original 35mm 1.4 Steel Rim, 2nd M lens 50mm 1.4 pre-asph titanium, One Hasselblad and one lens, X2D (or X2Dii) and 55V or depending on how one shoots and I love portrait, so I'd even take the new 90V over the 80 1.9 given it is so much lighter and really renders beautifully, and given if my mobility were better the original XCD 21 and the new 25V, the 38 is lovely but too close for me to the more versatile 55V. Obviously each to their own.
