p.25 #1 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Going to the Sony store in Japan in a few hours, will ask about digital active stabilization for stills mode as well. Looks like 40ish mm with it active.
p.25 #2 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
nhsonyshooter wrote:
If your coming from a recent Sony camera Fuji's AF may be frustrating. At least it was for me with the X100vi. But what each of us find acceptable is different of course.
Thanks for the heads-up! I have the A1II and the A1 for AF demanding stuff. I just placed an order for an X100VI, it will be strictly a walking around kind of camera when I don't need the bigger cameras. I am pretty sure the AF is sufficient for what I use this camera for. I had the Sony A7RC twice, never really warmed up to it, I would rather have the full features of the A7RV (I no longer own) even though it's bigger.
p.25 #3 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Dave Sanders wrote:
I owned and loved the OG RX1, despite its flaws: no built in viewfinder, not tilting screen, poor AF and abysmal battery life. The compact size and beautiful bokeh of the 35 Sonnar made up for basically everything.
I had all of the (overpriced) accessories and generally left the viewfinder at home. For the size, I was fine with composing from the back screen. So, with the new one, I'm ok with the low res finder, but would have really appreciated a tilting screen.
The new AF is very welcome, but I'm not sure I care that much about getting 60mp, though I guess that means a reasonable resolution crop to 50 and 70mm FOVs. I'm really curious to see how the Sonnar stands up to the new sensor - I'm thinking more of rendering and bokeh than sharpness. The Sonnar was never the sharpest lens around.
Overall, I think Sony is a bit short on innovation on this one, but I loved the size and build of the OG, so I guess I'd still be down with this one, recycled parts and all.
All that said, my RX1 shared bag space with a Fuji X100s, and while I enjoyed the IQ out of the Sony more, I much preferred shooting with the Fuji. And still do - it's the X100V in my bag now.
Waiting to see some hands on reviews and some samples. ...Show more →
The left picture is the internal of original RX1, where 3/4 of the body is sensor and lens assembly and the remaining tiny space crammed with the circuit board and battery.
The right picture is the circuit board of A7CR. You can see quite a lot more stuff there including AI chip and image processing chip. (more A7CR tear down here: https://kolarivision.com/sony-a7cr-teardown)
I doubt without a lot of very painful engineering work, it is impossible to cram all these A7CR stuff into much small space while fitting in a larger battery.
But I think this is a lot of time the issue with Japanese Engineering, they always spend time engineer stuff that mass market doesn't necessarily appreciate.
p.25 #4 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Sony said it.
It means he is unaware Sony states it does not have stabilisation for stills, or he forgot to mention that.
I'd think if he was able to show there was a mistake in Sony and every other reviewers comments about no IBIS, he'd make that a headline.
3rd gen of RX1 and Sony forgot to mention stills stabilisation, now that would be a headline.
I fink someone made a booboo.
SteveF wrote:
Yeah, other videos said this too. But this is the first one where someone seems to have the camera in hand, which probably makes a bit of difference in the review quality.
p.25 #5 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
architekt wrote:
But I think this is a lot of time the issue with Japanese Engineering, they always spend time engineer stuff that mass market doesn't necessarily appreciate.
What if you are only targeting the niche of the mass and you are doing so armed with knowledge of the profitability of the Mk 1 and Mk2?
None of us have that knowledge.
Remove tilt, improve AF, enlarge battery. I reckon knowledgeable stakeholders are relaxed about that.
p.25 #6 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
I was in Tokyo last week and looked at a used Sony RX1 (which was selling for 130,000 Yen or USD 875), and I have to admit I was really tempted after taking a few shots at the store. I passed up on it due to a heavily scratched up back screen, and the thought of a new version likely to come out soon. Lo behold, saw this thread two days later.
I am still building my Sony kit and have a few lenses pending purchase, but once I’m done with that, I’ll get this camera for sure. I don’t think there is a way to justify value of this camera vs functionalities and features, it’s something you just get and enjoy if you can afford it. I’ve owned Fujifilm X100VI in the recent past and sold it due to its frustrating AF, with RX1 M3, that issue is sorted, so it’s just a question of when I can afford it. Wonder what’s the going rate of a slice of liver is these days (one kidney was sold for the A1).
p.25 #10 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
ftllens wrote:
Aware it doesn't have IBIS, but was trying to verify the active digital stabilization option for stills mode that the BHPhoto video claims.
I really don't understand how a digital stabilization would work for stills. As far as I understand, in video mode, digital stab applies a dynamic crop that can be moved within the image to compensate for the shaking. It will prevent the picture from jumping but won't allow for a superior sharpness of the individual frames. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
p.25 #11 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
In the BnH page for RX1RIII, Q&A, I submitted a 2nd answer to the question: Does it have IBIS or lens stabilization?
My answer will be reviewed before being posted.
Answer: In Matt Zefi video (which has BnH logo) he talks, from about 5 min 15 sec, about using active steady shot for stills. Sony specs say Video only. "Image Stabilization: Digital (Video Only)".
Noticed he says 'somewhat' in the video when referring to stills stabilisation.
I think he was having a somewhat steadier than usual day.
p.25 #12 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
ATPphoto wrote:
But you can see what I see when I open these images in LR, and the differences are there.
All RAW unprocessed files, nothing applied. Not easy to tell from my images, but I found the A7CR files to be of lower contrast, higher noise, less saturation, unable to retain highlights. I don't see the same issues using the A7RV.
This sounds like a bad profile in LR. See https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1907955/ for another example where this can affect your results even though the two cameras there also have the same sensors and provide identical IQ in their RAWs.
p.25 #13 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
I was hoping like gyro data correction or something for the slow stuff
Ayoul wrote:
I really don't understand how a digital stabilization would work for stills. As far as I understand, in video mode, digital stab applies a dynamic crop that can be moved within the image to compensate for the shaking. It will prevent the picture from jumping but won't allow for a superior sharpness of the individual frames. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
p.25 #14 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
The only truly pocketable high end camera I can think of in the Sony range is the RX100vii which I have and is always in the side pocket of my bag. It is a miniature powerhouse with its 24-200mm equivalent lens and stacked sensor. This is the camera I really wished they would update
p.25 #15 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Ayoul wrote:
I really don't understand how a digital stabilization would work for stills. As far as I understand, in video mode, digital stab applies a dynamic crop that can be moved within the image to compensate for the shaking. It will prevent the picture from jumping but won't allow for a superior sharpness of the individual frames. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
Sony's Active SteadyShot feature:
The man in the B&H video @5:15 marker says something like "while this camera [ RX1R III] doesn't have IBIS, it does have Sony's Active SteadyShot...for both Photo and Video." He referred to it as "electronic stabilization" w/ a slight crop and clearly says he can use it for stills as well. He presents a handheld photo @ 5:36 in the video taken at 1/5 shutter speed calling it "somewhat long exposure" as an example.
I never realized Sony's Active SteadyShot could also be used for stills...interesting.
**Edit: Never mind, apparently the Active SteadyShot feature or "electronic stabilization" for stills/photo described in this video was an error and has since been removed.
p.25 #16 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
LBJ2 wrote:
Sony's Active SteadyShot feature:
The man in the B&H video @5:15 marker says something like "while this camera [ RX1R III] doesn't have IBIS, it does have Sony's Active SteadyShot...for both Photo and Video." He referred to it as "electronic stabilization" w/ a slight crop and clearly says he can use it for stills as well. He presents a handheld photo @ 5:36 in the video taken at 1/5 shutter speed calling it "somewhat long exposure" as an example.
I never realized Sony's Active SteadyShot could also be used for stills...interesting.
The camera specifications clearly show that Steady Shot is a video only feature. Just go to B&H photo under specifications.
p.25 #17 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
I don’t understand how that would even work. The only way to do that would be to take a rapid series of photos at fast shutter speeds and then stack them. It’s not like video steady shot is reducing blur in individual frames…it’s just aligning them from frame to frame to reduce motion of the camera. Considering the readout speed of this sensor is dog slow, I can’t see any technical way for them to even begin to do electronic stabilization for stills.
Also that B&H video sounds much more like an ad than a review.
p.25 #18 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
bwcolor wrote:
The camera specifications clearly show that Steady Shot is a video only feature. Just go to B&H photo under specifications.
Yes. I don't disagree and would be pleasantly surprised if the video is accurate. I'm just pointing out what was clearly presented in the video. Perhaps an over-the-top marketing stretch or a serious error. I don't know. If it does turn out to be true and as effective as the B&H video says and presents it is...that would be interesting IMO.
p.25 #19 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
I raise this topic in that many seem to express a concern that Sony seems to have slowed innovation and is now using off the shelf technology and components(like the unmodified 35mm Sonnar lens). This circles back to price and many prefer to pay for proven technology/features that are widely available with other cameras.
Regarding Sony’s core technology, I think this video makes clear that sensors for cameras, such as the Alpha series, is not a real focus of Sony’s R&D. First, it was smartphones and Sony’s decades long association with Apple. Now, it is self-driving cars and industrial robots. I think the segment of the market that we focus upon is not the future market, nor a central focus of future Sony planning/profits. So, small sensor technological iterations is what we have recently seen and can expect. On the positive side, should our technology never change, which it will, we have available an amazingly large array of capable cameras at every price/performance segment of the camera market.
p.25 #20 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!
Jman13 wrote:
I don’t understand how that would even work. The only way to do that would be to take a rapid series of photos at fast shutter speeds and then stack them. It’s not like video steady shot is reducing blur in individual frames…it’s just aligning them from frame to frame to reduce motion of the camera. Considering the readout speed of this sensor is dog slow, I can’t see any technical way for them to even begin to do electronic stabilization for stills.
Also that B&H video sounds much more like an ad than a review.
Same idea here: I don't see how a digital stabilization could work on stills.
The pictures in the video are nothing exceptional.
If you are steady shooter, and even more, if you have a way to push the camera against something still (pole, bench...) you can achieve that sort of slow shutter speeds without any stabilization.
The B&H ad has been edited, it is now more than a minute shorter and does not talk about stabilization anymore :-) I imagine that they were a little bit too happy by the money they got by Sony... and went a little too far.
