p.72 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
tuomkok wrote:
My SmallRig grip & arca swiss mount plate has been lost somewhere in the battle fields of tariff wars. Ordered it from Germany at quite attractive price with 4 day delivery time. 4 weeks has now passed and nothing happens... Thanks
After a month with the camera I agree with most of the positives and negatives already discussed. Starting from negatives, even in early summer brightness there are moments when I miss IBIS. In fact all everyday cameras should have IBIS. Just pure laziness and wrong kind of cost cutting from Fujifilm not including IBIS!
My second complain is menu system. While physical controls are nice and straightforward, it is difficult to understand how Fujifilm did not simplify menus to match the photocentric identity of the camera. The problem is made worse by the fact that Fujifilm menus are about the worst in the industry.
Overall I really like GFX100RF. Image quality is as good it should be and camera is fun and fast to use. EVF and LCD are very good. Even oddities such as crop lever seem to work fine for me although I must say that the 80mm crop as it feels like an insult to the 102mp MF sensor.
Some have complained about the AF. I have had zero issues with it, although I feel Fujifilm has long to go before it is in same level as Sony. However, for my photography purpouses ND-filter could be darker or be selectable. The second image was taken with ND on, and to get long enough time in daylight I had to stop to f/22 which was not good for sharpness. I think ND filter has also blueish color tint.
Thanks for posting these, they are really nice examples and represent the kind of scenarios I would hope to shoot with the camera -- especially the "in the stable" shot, since I enjoy environmental portraits. I notice the ISO on that shot is 6400 and the image quality looks good. My only hesitation is the fact that it's dark for half the year here in Toronto and IBIS/faster lens is almost mandatory, but I have a GFX100SII + a Mitakon that I could use instead.
p.72 #2 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I had the chance to use one today and I have to say, I'm very surprised about how close it feels to my X100V in terms of size and weight. Of course it's bigger on paper but carrying it around all day, I could barely feel the difference.
p.72 #3 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
80mm Digital Converter and Xpan Crop-So this comes out to about 19.5 MP (probably a bit smaller with the Xpan crop- I am actually going to print this at 11x14 paper to see how it turns out. So far what I see on my 5K monitor, its very impressive and I expect the print to hold up as well.
This is a cool little camera- A few annoyances with the interface so far but need to just get it dialed in.
p.72 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
DougDolde wrote:
Too limited with fixed lens. No thank you
You mean GFX100RF should be a zoom camera like GA645? Not a bad idea thinking of what Fujifilm has done in history. However, I am not sure how the zoom lens could be made good enough to do justice to 100mp digital sensor, and still be reasonably small. Maybe content with f/8 max aperture
bwcolor wrote:
So, no size or energy limitations when adding IBIS for a medium format sensor?
I believe in technology. I bet next iteration of GFX100RF has IBIS.
As a context, a 5-10 years ago we had good IBIS only in m43 cameras. Now most FF cameras have 8 stop IBIS. Even the practically X100VI size Sony A7C2 I sold to fund GFX100RF had 7 stop IBIS. I think IBIS perfectly doable considering the rather hefty body and gerous size battery of GFX100RF.
p.72 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
It would be interesting to know how many were purchased with the sole intent of flipping (I know there were a few here). They don't seem to selling for as much as these folks originally had in mind.
p.72 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
mkuznicki wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many were purchased with the sole intent of flipping (I know there were a few here). They don't seem to selling for as much as these folks originally had in mind.
Its to expensive to really flip-
Just like the Leica Q3's. Some will pay the extra expense but those people already have the camera- I put a pre-order in at launch at a local shop and just got mine Friday.
Having spent sometime with the camera already- I would happily use this instead of the Hasseblad 28P/38XCD
The 38V was by far my favorite X lens and this appears to be very close to them- In a much smaller package- Its a winner so far
“EVERYONE” is not selling their RF cameras, scare headlines aside.
There are some for sale, and there are probably at least a couple of main reasons.
As we’ve seen in this forum, people with a lot of money were ordering them just to see if they would like it. Some even ordered and then resold without opening the box. Others ordered more than one just so they could receive one early on, and then sold the unused units. And, of course, there are scalpers hoping to take advantage of the hoopla over the camera’s introduction. My hunch is that the scalping opportunities were pretty short term and are mostly over now.
(Speaking of hoopla, that has died WAY down since the hyperactively enthusiastic days around the camera’s introduction, but I digress…)
There’s another group that overlaps those in the earlier paragraph — people who were swept up in the meme-tastic early coverage of this camera, coverage which frankly was unrealistic and full of hyperventilating. Some of them got the camera and decided that maybe it wasn’t really quite all that… and have put them up for sale. (This is not to discount those who got it and still love it.)
p.72 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Viable scalping lasted for about a week and a half. Past that, insured shipping would eat all your profit, so no, this isn't a camera people are buying to flip.
Very few actually own GFX100RF, it is a niche camera that has been on market for a short time. But maybe some bought it for other reasons than photography? That is a bit silly Cameras work better as a photography tool than speculation investment.
Some images. Not art but GFX100RF is sure a fun camera to carry around.
p.72 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
Viable scalping lasted for about a week and a half. Past that, insured shipping would eat all your profit, so no, this isn't a camera people are buying to flip.
Says the FM'er that specifically touted that he bought his purposefully to flip, and not use. (Followed by his purchase of Hassy.)
Am I missing something, here.
Do some folks have a supply chain source that is sub-retail, and others are retail, etc. Something doesn't add up for me, but I'm sure it's me that's missing a piece of the puzzle, here.
p.72 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
This camera has really lived up to what I had hoped for- A Fuji X100 with a bigger sensor- Put it on my shoulder and rode my bike for 20 miles around my town- A few snaps from a stop or two-
p.72 #13 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Lukacs wrote:
I don't know how mutch would be bigger the lens with OIS, In Leica Q the sensor is significant smaller.
The adapter ring seems silly, I think it's more a marketing purpose to keep the lens small as possible for advertising videos, photos. Also it doesn't contain lens elements, so it's true that add a size bump, however not significant weight that influences the weight center. That is more important factor with a neck strap carrying RF style camera than overall length of the lens. I find Leica Q bodies too small for those lenses, in case of Rx1RII the ratio is even worse. I prefer a significant larger camera compared the attached lens, with mass center behind the grip.
I think best way attaching the ring with filter, and it also works as a hood, but you have to buy a lens cap. But keep in mind the accessory hood provides a great protection for accidental hits....Show more →
OIS is generally less effective than IBIS especially with wide angle lens.
I agree, if size has to be increased, then it is better to make body larger. However, I do not believer that IBIS would make the camera much larger. increase in size from X100V to VI was almost insignificant. Sony A7c series is almost X100 size despite FF sensor, large battery and IBIS.
When browsing through my GFX100RF pictures I can find 1/125 sec images occasionally slightly blurry. 1/30 sec works ok, but requires concentration and care. For static subjects I usually have auto ISO set to 1/125.
For haptics filter ring and focus ring should have different textures. When using manual focus (not very often) I keep turning the filter ring
For me, from the point of creativity, absolutely the best outcome of using GFX100RF is that I have started framing my pictures free from any set aspect ratio. Most natural aspect standard ratios for me are somewehere between 4:3 and 3:2. For more panoramic framing I often go for 16:9. XPan is very special and difficult to use. I have the aspect ratio dial set to C, to control aspect ratio quickly with front dial. Changing aspect ratio actively helps when taking the picture. I allways finalise the framing in post.
p.72 #14 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
tuomkok wrote:
OIS is generally less effective than IBIS especially with wide angle lens.
I agree, if size has to be increased, then it is better to make body larger. However, I do not believer that IBIS would make the camera much larger. increase in size from X100V to VI was almost insignificant. Sony A7c series is almost X100 size despite FF sensor, large battery and IBIS.
X100 has APS-C sensor, it's significant smaller than MF, even FF is significant smaller.
BF and S9 has almost a same construction, check the thickness difference of the two cameras, S9 has IBIS: BF vs. S9
I'd expect a camera with MF sensor even more difference.
p.72 #15 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Lukacs wrote:
X100 has APS-C sensor, it's significant smaller than MF, even FF is significant smaller.
BF and S9 has almost a same construction, check the thickness difference of the two cameras, S9 has IBIS: BF vs. S9
I'd expect a camera with MF sensor even more difference.
If you look more generally at thickness differences between IBIS-equipped cameras and those without IBIS, the difference is generally very small, perhaps on the order of a few millimeters.
The question isn’t really “what is the thinnest camera in the world.” It is whether perhaps a bit of additional thickness is worth the added utility for most users. In a camera that is intended to be used entirely from the tripod, the answer might be no. But in a camera that is intended to be used almost exclusively for handheld photography, especially one without a particularly large aperture lens, the answer is more likely to be yes.
A thought experiment: If Fujifilm had produced the RF in a form that was a couple of millimeters thicker and with IBIS, do you imagine that there would have been loud complaints about those extra millimeters?
p.72 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
gdanmitchell wrote:
If you look more generally at thickness differences between IBIS-equipped cameras and those without IBIS, the difference is generally very small, perhaps on the order of a few millimeters.
The question isn’t really “what is the thinnest camera in the world.” It is whether perhaps a bit of additional thickness is worth the added utility for most users. In a camera that is intended to be used entirely from the tripod, the answer might be no. But in a camera that is intended to be used almost exclusively for handheld photography, especially one without a particularly large aperture lens, the answer is more likely to be yes.
A thought experiment: If Fujifilm had produced the RF in a form that was a couple of millimeters thicker and with IBIS, do you imagine that there would have been loud complaints about those extra millimeters?...Show more →
They didn't-
Its available for sale as is- This topic has been beaten to death by those people not interested in the camera (mostly you). Move along
p.72 #17 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
If you look more generally at thickness differences between IBIS-equipped cameras and those without IBIS, the difference is generally very small, perhaps on the order of a few millimeters.
The question isn’t really “what is the thinnest camera in the world.” It is whether perhaps a bit of additional thickness is worth the added utility for most users. In a camera that is intended to be used entirely from the tripod, the answer might be no. But in a camera that is intended to be used almost exclusively for handheld photography, especially one without a particularly large aperture lens, the answer is more likely to be yes.
A thought experiment: If Fujifilm had produced the RF in a form that was a couple of millimeters thicker and with IBIS, do you imagine that there would have been loud complaints about those extra millimeters?...Show more →
There were information about that the problem was not a several mm more thickness (which would ruins the aesthetic of the camera for me, like BF vs. S9), but because the lens on sensor Fuji claimed a need for significant larger lens. I think if other manufacturer can make this kind of camera with IBIS, let's make it and I'll applaud. Meantime you should buy the closest alternative, Leica Q3.
p.72 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyRus wrote:
They didn't-
Its available for sale as is- This topic has been beaten to death by those people not interested in the camera (mostly you). Move along
I was replying to a previous post in the thread. And the post following yours else suggests that the topic is not dead. If you feel that it is dead, feel free to not participate.
Also feel free to not read my posts. The “hide me” feature is your friend if you cannot resist.
Lukacs wrote:
There were information about that the problem was not a several mm more thickness (which would ruins the aesthetic of the camera for me, like BF vs. S9), but because the lens on sensor Fuji claimed a need for significant larger lens. I think if other manufacturer can make this kind of camera with IBIS, let's make it and I'll applaud. Meantime you should buy the closest alternative, Leica Q3.
My understanding — perhaps flawed — was that perhaps Fujifilm could not quite drop in the existing miniMF IBIS mechanism since the sensor is closer to the rear of the lens on this fixed lens model. As we know, IBIS doesn’t necessarily work equally well across the frame — see, for example, the XE5 specs that give a different number of effective stops in the center and at the edge. That would be challenging with the angles that the light would travel to reach the sensor if this is correct.
My guess is that Fujifilm had not yet resolved all of the issues with putting IBIS in the RF. I suspect that eventually they will.
p.72 #19 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Had the chance to play with one today. It so much lighter and smaller than I thought. The size alone makes it a very intriguing camera. I was on the fence about it but it handles really nice.
p.72 #20 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Nick Dakota wrote:
Had the chance to play with one today. It so much lighter and smaller than I thought. The size alone makes it a very intriguing camera. I was on the fence about it but it handles really nice.
100% my thoughts exactly- Its WAY smaller than I thought-
I could run around with a HAsseblad with a 28P f/4 attached to it or this thing- Its pretty crazy I can use a medium format camera and store it in my hip bag while fly fishing all day and not notice it.
This thing will be on the water for about 25 hours of fishing time this weekend in the rain- Should be a great test for it-. This camera has surprised me so far-
Cameras work better as a photography tool than speculation investment.
