p.1 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I'm so torn on this. I like the idea and I'm sure the images will be great under the right circumdstances. The lack of IBIS may be a real issue - 100MP image with the GFX100RF without stabilization vs the 60MP image of a Q3 with IBIS and a wider aperture when faster shutter speeds are needed is something I think about.
I preordered one but will keep an eye on real world user reports.
p.1 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
TN_nato wrote:
Help me understand the slower lens here and the comparisons to the Q3. Does the larger format have a higher than f4 equivalent for 35mm FF?
Also - what's this going to do to X100 F/V/VI X Pro 2/3 prices?
This lens is a 28mm f2.8 in terms of FOV and bokeh. The only similarity to the Q it has is that it's a similar FOV and fixed lens camera that costs lots and lots of money.
This camera exists well outside of the X100 market, it will likely not affect it much, short of some people selling off their X100 camera to partially fund this.
p.1 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
It seems that most of the youtube reviews mention that the lack of IBIS, while unfortunate, is somewhat mitigated by the leaf shutter.
I think most people who are used to using the X100V will know exactly what they mean. You can get slow, but not IBIS-capable slow.
Nice to see lots of love for the aspect ratio dial. I do wish 65:24 was closer to 4:3 instead of 3 clicks away, with lowly 16:9 between them.
Why does a leaf shutter mitigate the absense of IBIS? IBIS isn't design to handle the frequencies induced by shutter vibration - in fact shutter vibration is known to interfere with some stabilization implementations. IBIS is designed to reduce hand-holding motion, ie frequencies of human cyclical movements. Also, an EFCS is effective at eliminating shutter vibration.
p.1 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
snapsy wrote:
Why does a leaf shutter mitigate the absense of IBIS? IBIS isn't design to handle the frequencies induced by shutter vibration - in fact shutter vibration is known to interfere with some stabilization implementations. IBIS is designed to reduce hand-holding motion, ie frequencies of human cyclical movements.
The conversation here is about the absolute minimum shutter speed a given person will be able to obtain.
Having a leaf shutter on a camera with no IBIS will allow you to push that number lower than if you had a slappy shutter with no IBIS. Pedantry and real life often don't intersect
Of course this number would be lower if the camera had IBIS.
p.1 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
The conversation here is about the absolute minimum shutter speed a given person will be able to obtain.
Having a leaf shutter on a camera with no IBIS will allow you to push that number lower than if you had a slappy shutter with no IBIS. Pedantry and real life often don't intersect
Of course this number would be lower if the camera had IBIS.
An EFCS on a focal plane shutter effectively eliminates blur from shutter vibration - the vibration from the second mechanical curtain closing doesn't start resonating through the camera until after the exposure is over, which is why they're so effective. To address my pedantry, can you point me to some real life examples comparing a leaf vs EFCS on a comparable camera design?
Jim Kasson performed comparisons of the A7r III's EFCS vs fully electronic shutter and saw no difference in blur at any shutter speed. Are you saying a leaf shutter produces less vibration than no physical shutter at all?
p.1 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
snapsy wrote:
An EFCS on a focal plane shutter effectively eliminates blur from shutter vibration - the vibration from the second mechanical curtain closing doesn't start resonating through the camera until after the exposure is over, which is why they're so effective. To address my pedantry, can you point me to some real life examples comparing a leaf vs EFCS on a comparable camera design?
Jim Kasson performed comparisons of the A7r III's EFCS vs fully electronic shutter and saw no difference in blur at any shutter speed. Are you saying a leaf shutter produces less vibration than no physical shutter at all?
Have you ever shot a focal plane shutter GFX? Like, outside. Real conditions. Not doll heads.
p.1 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I think Fuji nailed the camera design for this. I just don't need this and I'm not paying basically 4 grand to be stuck at 28mm while I have GF glass that I like using. I hope this is a seller though.
p.1 #17 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I like the camera aesthetic, design, also the RF style built, EVF, tilting screen, huge sensor. But this camera purpose is not for me. I like 35mm sensor format for low DOF with high resolution and sharpness. On high resolution I mean resolving 24MP at wide open with high quality lenses f1.2-f2.0. It seems MF for manufacturers is about only extreme resolution, not DOF control. Fastest MF lenses are f1.7, they don't want to fight with 35mm for shallower DOF. (Also a Fuji 55 1.7 is a nice option)
This camera is for resolution (will see how the lens performs corner to corner), you have 28mm eqv. 100MP for wall size prints. Of course there is the crop ability, but I'd never consider a 28-65 f3.2-f7,4 lens on 35mm ever. I'd go either Q3 (43), RX1RII, X100VI or a bunch of ILC option. Leica Q and RX1 has a good DOF ability, X100VI is an affordable solution.
Maybe there are photographers want a 100MP street camera, or a digital zoom street camera, but I'd grab a small FF ILC with a 35 or 50f2 lens or an X100VI instead (Q3s are way out of my budget).
I think an IBIS is a good thing, but also in my opinion consumers get too addicted, or just see a technical checklist, and the same applies on Sigma BF. This is a 35mm fixed lens camera (28mm on FF), who buy Sigma BF also quite unlikely to use longer than 50-65mm. It's truly so essential to have an IBIS on a 28mm camera? I shoot over 1/100s most time because people have a bad habit like moving (especially my kids), and for high resolution landscape or art we use a tripod anyway.
p.1 #20 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
saxguy wrote:
I'm so torn on this. I like the idea and I'm sure the images will be great under the right circumdstances. The lack of IBIS may be a real issue - 100MP image with the GFX100RF without stabilization vs the 60MP image of a Q3 with IBIS and a wider aperture when faster shutter speeds are needed is something I think about.
I preordered one but will keep an eye on real world user reports.
Perhaps a relevant review regarding your decision:
