p.2 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
1.7 on a medium format camera is plenty of shallow depth of field though. Also you cannot cram a 55 1.7 into a camera this size without making it huge. Lukacs wrote:
I like the camera aesthetic, design, also the RF style built, EVF, tilting screen, huge sensor. But this camera purpose is not for me. I like 35mm sensor format for low DOF with high resolution and sharpness. On high resolution I mean resolving 24MP at wide open with high quality lenses f1.2-f2.0. It seems MF for manufacturers is about only extreme resolution, not DOF control. Fastest MF lenses are f1.7, they don't want to fight with 35mm for shallower DOF. (Also a Fuji 55 1.7 is a nice option)
This camera is for resolution (will see how the lens performs corner to corner), you have 28mm eqv. 100MP for wall size prints. Of course there is the crop ability, but I'd never consider a 28-65 f3.2-f7,4 lens on 35mm ever. I'd go either Q3 (43), RX1RII, X100VI or a bunch of ILC option. Leica Q and RX1 has a good DOF ability, X100VI is an affordable solution.
Maybe there are photographers want a 100MP street camera, or a digital zoom street camera, but I'd grab a small FF ILC with a 35 or 50f2 lens or an X100VI instead (Q3s are way out of my budget).
I think an IBIS is a good thing, but also in my opinion consumers get too addicted, or just see a technical checklist, and the same applies on Sigma BF. This is a 35mm fixed lens camera (28mm on FF), who buy Sigma BF also quite unlikely to use longer than 50-65mm. It's truly so essential to have an IBIS on a 28mm camera? I shoot over 1/100s most time because people have a bad habit like moving (especially my kids), and for high resolution landscape or art we use a tripod anyway....Show more →
p.2 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
snapsy wrote:
Why does a leaf shutter mitigate the absense of IBIS? IBIS isn't design to handle the frequencies induced by shutter vibration - in fact shutter vibration is known to interfere with some stabilization implementations. IBIS is designed to reduce hand-holding motion, ie frequencies of human cyclical movements. Also, an EFCS is effective at eliminating shutter vibration.
You are correct that “shutter slap” and the vibrations/motion from hand-holding a camera are very different things.
Shutter slap is generally an issue when the camera is on the tripod and all other sources of vibration and motion blur have been eliminated — it is the one remaining issue (in most cases) that can be controlled. In the old days that was done with mirror lockup, but for the past decade or more as mirrorless cameras have taken over, EFCS has essentially eliminated it.
For handheld photography — which I’d wager is how this camera will mostly be used — shutter shock is not a significant issue and the real concern is motion produced by hand holding the camera. That is what IBIS deals with. (IBIS doesn’t really do much for shutter slap.) If one promise of the 100MP miniMF sensor is that it captures finer detail, then camera stability becomes rather important to realizing that potential benefit.
I suspect that the main benefit of the leaf shutter in this fixed lens camera is that it helped keep the camera/lens assembly as small as possible. (A secondary benefit for a few users — but probably not your typical buyer of this camera — has to do with flash sync.)
p.2 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
JadedWriter wrote:
1.7 on a medium format camera is plenty of shallow depth of field though. Also you cannot cram a 55 1.7 into a camera this size without making it huge.
Jaded, I think there is a lot of what you said about MF that is incorrect (or at least incorrectly stated), but I think I know what you mean.
It all boils down to what you like, can afford, want, appreciate or maybe even "need," although need is a word that we don't use much when talking about GFX. It is more want. But I will say that it becomes need when you see the IQ because once you see it you want to keep it, so it sort of becomes a need.
Stabilization? I won't repeat myself, but I don't agree with your take on that at all. But if you think you don't need it, your options will be limited because it is hard to buy a camera without stab in 2025. The fact that this new GFX Q4 left off stab is so baffling to me that my head is still spinning and my disappointment at therefore not buying this camera is at peak angst level right now, almost to the point that I am traumatized and might seek counseling for my sorrow at this catastrophic Fuji mistake.
Dear Fuji CEO - are you listening to me? Why why why why? 🤯👎🏻
p.2 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
What is my take on it not having IBIS because I never posted a take. I have probably shot GFX more than...most of the people on this board and love shooting it. I actually don't even know what you're replying to in my post because you're inferring a lot from things I didn't even say. Greg7579 wrote:
Jaded, I think there is a lot of what you said about MF that is incorrect (or at least incorrectly stated), but I think I know what you mean.
It all boils down to what you like, can afford, want, appreciate or maybe even "need," although need is a word that we don't use much when talking about GFX. It is more want. But I will say that it becomes need when you see the IQ because once you see it you want to keep it, so it sort of becomes a need.
Stabilization? I won't repeat myself, but I don't agree with your take on that at all. But if you think you don't need it, your options will be limited because it is hard to buy a camera without stab in 2025. The fact that this new GFX Q4 left off stab is so baffling to me that my head is still spinning and my disappointment at therefore not buying this camera is at peak angst level right now, almost to the point that I am traumatized and might seek counseling for my sorrow at this catastrophic Fuji mistake.
Dear Fuji CEO - are you listening to me? Why why why why? 🤯👎🏻...Show more →
p.2 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
Jaded, I think there is a lot of what you said about MF that is incorrect (or at least incorrectly stated), but I think I know what you mean.
It all boils down to what you like, can afford, want, appreciate or maybe even "need," although need is a word that we don't use much when talking about GFX. It is more want. But I will say that it becomes need when you see the IQ because once you see it you want to keep it, so it sort of becomes a need.
Stabilization? I won't repeat myself, but I don't agree with your take on that at all. But if you think you don't need it, your options will be limited because it is hard to buy a camera without stab in 2025. The fact that this new GFX Q4 left off stab is so baffling to me that my head is still spinning and my disappointment at therefore not buying this camera is at peak angst level right now, almost to the point that I am traumatized and might seek counseling for my sorrow at this catastrophic Fuji mistake.
Dear Fuji CEO - are you listening to me? Why why why why? 🤯👎🏻...Show more →
Knowing you as I think I do - you’ll eventually be ordering one of these.
p.2 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
gdanmitchell wrote:
You are correct that “shutter slap” and the vibrations/motion from hand-holding a camera are very different things.
Shutter slap is generally an issue when the camera is on the tripod and all other sources of vibration and motion blur have been eliminated — it is the one remaining issue (in most cases) that can be controlled. In the old days that was done with mirror lockup, but for the past decade or more as mirrorless cameras have taken over, EFCS has essentially eliminated it.
For handheld photography — which I’d wager is how this camera will mostly be used — shutter shock is not a significant issue and the real concern is motion produced by hand holding the camera. That is what IBIS deals with. (IBIS doesn’t really do much for shutter slap.) If one promise of the 100MP miniMF sensor is that it captures finer detail, then camera stability becomes rather important to realizing that potential benefit.
I suspect that the main benefit of the leaf shutter in this fixed lens camera is that it helped keep the camera/lens assembly as small as possible. (A secondary benefit for a few users — but probably not your typical buyer of this camera — has to do with flash sync.)...Show more →
Dan, I know what you are getting at, but I disagree a bit here on this take.... Shutter shock with GFX is real and we avoid it by shooting on EFCS. We have been talking about this for 6 years and it is generally accepted practice that we all shoot EFCS on GFX cameras to avoid the shock wave that rips your arms off while holding a GFX camera set on standard mechanical shutter and the huge explosion that occurs at trigger pull when not on ES or EFCS.
Plus, as an old infantry soldier that has been in combat, I hit the ground and start screaming "incoming!" every time I accidently shoot an image not on EFCS. Boom!!!! Yes, it matters. 💥💥💥💥💣💣💣💣
When Fuji was first developing GFX, the early shutter shock waves generating from the test facility ripped through Tokyo and measured 3.2 on the Seismic scale. So, they developed EFCS. Genius!
p.2 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
liggy wrote:
Knowing you as I think I do - you’ll eventually be ordering one of these.
Maybe I will succumb to my addiction. But I am going to look funny walking around the Mediterranean every Spring with that little GFX Q4 clamped on top of a big monopod.
p.2 #10 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
liggy wrote:
Jonas Rask has cost me so much $ over the years by creating so much GAS.
For now I’m just going to slap the 35-70 with a square hood on my 100S and carry it around until the feeling goes away.
Eventually it’ll remind me that I value IBIS and like the option to have a shallow DOF.
I hope this is a big success for Fuji.
Jonas Rask is perhaps the best photographer in the world, if you ask me. He never influences me because I buy everything anyway, but what is Jonas saying about this little GFX Q4?
Is he as mad as I am about this big mistake Fuji made with this whole stabilization disaster?
p.2 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
Jonas Rask is perhaps the best photographer in the world, if you ask me. He never influences me because I buy everything anyway, but what is Jonas saying about this little GFX Q4?
Is he as mad as I am about this big mistake Fuji made with this whole stabilization disaster?
The link to his review is in the first post of this thread. Read and decide.
No one seems to be as mad about it as you, though If you, I, or anyone else can't take a sharp picture midday with this camera, it's us to blame.
I've long said that Jonas is probably the best street photographer of this generation. His portraits are very good, though not in the same conversation, and anything outside of those two is serviceable.
p.2 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
To all regarding shutter shock (too many of you to quote). Even going leaf and getting rid of EFCS is beneficial (for me). Don't know how many of you shoot or have shot firearms, but you know that your first shot is pretty steady, but it's easy to develop a reaction each time the trigger is pulled because you anticipate the recoil and flinch. One way to see that was to shoot a revolver and leave a random chamber empty – then it was almost embarrassing to see how much flinching happens on that non-shot.
The X2D with its leaf shutter lenses is similar to the 100RF, but the camera is pretty big and the lenses put more weight out front. I think with the 100RF it won't be too difficult to shoot at slower shutter speeds.
p.2 #13 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
highdesertmesa wrote:
The X2D with its leaf shutter lenses is similar, but the camera is pretty big and the lenses put more weight out front. I think with the 100RF it won't be too difficult to shoot at slower shutter speeds.
The proof is in the pudding with the many excellent low-light samples out there already. Small minds think small thoughts.
p.2 #14 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
The proof is in the pudding with the many excellent low-light samples out there already. Small minds think small thoughts.
I've been shooting the M11 with the electronic shutter, so essentially the same thing as the 100RF – same pixel pitch and no shutter shock. I'm good to about 1/125 sec. Any lower, and I just take three shots, and one is always good. The 100RF looks easier to hold than the M11, though. I'm thinking I could probably do 1/30 sec. if I pay attention
p.2 #15 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
Maybe I will succumb to my addiction. But I am going to look funny walking around the Mediterranean every Spring with that little GFX Q4 clamped on top of a big monopod.
Just use the shutter speed dial as your monopod. That's what it's there for!
p.2 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Jonas could get a great image with a pinhole camera made out of recycles Sony gear. Would I let him influence my buying decisions? No, but I know if he can do something with it, I can as well...for the most part. The RF would be a tertiary camera to me if I had legit 100% disposable income though. Greg7579 wrote:
Jonas Rask is perhaps the best photographer in the world, if you ask me. He never influences me because I buy everything anyway, but what is Jonas saying about this little GFX Q4?
Is he as mad as I am about this big mistake Fuji made with this whole stabilization disaster?
p.2 #17 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
JadedWriter wrote:
What is my take on it not having IBIS because I never posted a take. I have probably shot GFX more than...most of the people on this board and love shooting it. I actually don't even know what you're replying to in my post because you're inferring a lot from things I didn't even say.
Jaded.... So sorry. My bad all the way. That was not you. In fact, I am so confused by the quote mechanism that I think I was actually responding to someone on another thread that was saying some stuff about MF res, DOF and aperture equivalence that was a bit off. Apologies. I am having difficulty replying to folks and also knowing what I wrote before and to who. That one GFX Q4 thread is 39 pages long and to flow through the thread you see all the content of the posts and it gets cumbersome. I will get used to it. I'm not criticizing this site. It is just me - my problem after 15 years on DPR.
p.2 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
I am not in that thread. I got like 2 posts in it I have no ill will towards this camera or medium format in general. Greg7579 wrote:
Jaded.... So sorry. My bad all the way. That was not you. In fact, I am so confused by the quote mechanism that I think I was actually responding to someone on another thread that was saying some stuff about MF res, DOF and aperture equivalence that was a bit off. Apologies. I am having difficulty replying to folks and also knowing what I wrote before and to who. That one GFX Q4 thread is 39 pages long and to flow through the thread you see all the content of the posts and it gets cumbersome. I will get used to it. I'm not criticizing this site. It is just me - my problem after 15 years on DPR. ...Show more →
p.2 #19 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
highdesertmesa wrote:
I've been shooting the M11 with the electronic shutter, so essentially the same thing as the 100RF – same pixel pitch and no shutter shock. I'm good to about 1/125 sec. Any lower, and I just take three shots, and one is always good. The 100RF looks easier to hold than the M11, though. I'm thinking I could probably do 1/30 sec. if I pay attention
. 1/30 second with no stabilization? Maybe with a monopod like I used to use with the 50r. Or maybe if you shoot a 10mm lens. 😁
That is, unless you don't want a GFX file to look at like a GFX file at full res.
I don't know if on this thread I already mentioned about how unhappy I am with this terrible decision approved by the Fuji CEO concerning lack of stabilization on the GFX Q4. And I hope this response is to my old friend - High Desert Mesa! (I've been responding to the wrong guys a lot as I attempt to correct their often-mistaken notions). .
p.2 #20 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Greg7579 wrote:
Jaded, I think there is a lot of what you said about MF that is incorrect (or at least incorrectly stated), but I think I know what you mean.
It all boils down to what you like, can afford, want, appreciate or maybe even "need," although need is a word that we don't use much when talking about GFX. It is more want. But I will say that it becomes need when you see the IQ because once you see it you want to keep it, so it sort of becomes a need.
Stabilization? I won't repeat myself, but I don't agree with your take on that at all. But if you think you don't need it, your options will be limited because it is hard to buy a camera without stab in 2025. The fact that this new GFX Q4 left off stab is so baffling to me that my head is still spinning and my disappointment at therefore not buying this camera is at peak angst level right now, almost to the point that I am traumatized and might seek counseling for my sorrow at this catastrophic Fuji mistake.
Dear Fuji CEO - are you listening to me? Why why why why? 🤯👎🏻...Show more →
You certainly don’t think that your opinion wasn’t fully investigated prior to the design being frozen. My experience, with my use shows me that I could go f/4.0 vs my XCDv lenses of f/2.5, but I would choose a full frame stabilized system over a non-stabilized 100Mpix. There must have been real engineering/marketing negatives (size/cost) to adding IBIS. What FF shooters should recognize is that 100MPix is way more resolution than you will need most of the time and the real plus here is the one camera and crop.. in this case crop in the viewfinder. No more dust on the sensor and likely fairly good weather sealing. Lots to love here, but don’t expect to use the 1/focal length to approximate lowest hand holdable shutter speed.
Regarding other posters mention of the leaf shutter. Give a low level of fill flash a try. I know with my X2D this can really make the images. I say low level because you don’t want your imaging screaming flash. I know that this runs counter to wanting a small size camera, but for some shoots it might be something to think about.
If you, I, or anyone else can't take a sharp picture midday with this camera, it's us to blame.