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p.39 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


I posted an example of an 80mm crop, and the result is just fine for online sharing/posting. Printing I wouldn't be so bullish.


Apr 07, 2025 at 12:20 PM
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p.39 #2 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


tuomkok wrote:
I would not expect too much fron the so called 80mm crop. Waste of a good camera - better walk closet to take the pic. 35mm and 50mm crops might do more justice to GFX.


My Q2 has 35 / 50 / 75 as rated crop options. My personal temperament taps out at the 50. 35+ manual adjustments = 40-45 is probably the sweet spot to my eye. Basically 1.5x (can you say 1.4 is the square root of 2) is readily usable without much of a hit. 3X is noticeable.

Although, the Q2M at 300% is surprisingly good in crops I've seen of others.

The 35/4 lens ... on the 3:4 crop mode, essentially renders a 35mm (FF) at 50MP. Compare that to my Q2 26-28mm at 47MP. That's very reasonable, imo. And if I carry through 1.5X temperament, that takes the 35 > 50-ish, still north of 24MP (SL2-S / M10), not that far below 40MP (M10R) when cropped to 4:3 from 3:2. So, I can easily see the versatility of this single carry between 28-50 ... with crop format of choice (X-Pan - 1:1) and still retaining a very good IQ in terms of pixel count. Deeper than that to portrait / short tele, with a modest pixel count / IQ hit.

Personally, I find the crop for format variance interesting, and the MP's allow pretty much anything from X-Pan to Square.

But, when it comes to crop as a replacement for lens change ... I try to limit that to 1.5X or 2.0X. Of course, if I carry this into a concert venue (i.e. fixed lens only) as a patron ... I may go well past 2X.



Apr 07, 2025 at 12:31 PM
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p.39 #3 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


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Maybe more, my math is wonky today.


I did the math a long time ago. Your math is fine.

These numbers were based on the numbers reported by DPreview a few weeks ago, which I believe are based on data from FujiFilm. I added on the Min Aperture and Sensor Size equivalents.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-gfx100rf-medium-format-fixed-lens-initial-review

All Full Frame Equivalents. All based on the 4:3 aspect ratio for GFX100RF.

Focal Length - Min Aperture - Megapixels - Sensor Size

28mm - F3.2 - 102 megapixels - 44x33mm
35mm - F4.0 - 62 megapixels - 35mm full frame (4:3)
50mm - F5.7 - 31 megapixels - APS-C (4:3)
63mm - F7.2 - 20 megapixels - between APS-C and m43, smallest in-camera crop selection
70mm - F8.0 - 16 megapixels - m43, this is post processing only

To compare, here is what the X100VI would be with a WCL, but no TCL, and all 3:2, so not exactly apples to apples to the 4:3 of the GFX. This is all my work.

28mm - F3.1 - 40.2 megapixels - APS-C (WCL)
35mm - F3.1 - 40.2 megapixels - APS-C (no WCL)
50mm - F4.4 - 19.7 megapixels - m43 (extended to 3:2)
70mm - F6.1 - 10.1 megapixels - somewhere around a 1" sensor

There are many conclusions from this, including that the X100VI has a slight shallow depth of field advantage at every focal length, but I think they go more into philosophy and preferences than anything else.



Apr 07, 2025 at 12:40 PM
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p.39 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Here's another way to frame this camera, at least for me, and what I want out of it.

My core use case is as a super X-E4 mark II, limited to an XF 18-33mm F2.1-3.7 pancake internal zoom lens, that I would say as a package is worth $2.5 - $3.5K when you think about it (rationale below).

The rest of the valuation comes from the occasional benefit from the fact that this camera isn't just a super X-E4 mark II + technological marvel pancake zoom, it is, in fact a 44x33mm sensor camera on the wide end.

Super X-E4 mark II because the EVF (which was a big deal killer for me with the E4) is significantly better, and it has a 31 megapixel sensor that is capable of, in some instances at the wide range, far superior performance. Presumably, it has superior low light, dynamic range and other performance to the existing X-E4 today.

Mark II because it has updated firmware and physical hardware that allows for aspect ratio changes -- again, this is what I really want out of this camera.

Pricing for this camera? At least, $1.5K. How do you price that EVF, while taking into account this would not be a ILC?

Speaking of the lens, let's use approximate and familiar numbers. An XF 18-35mm, F2.0-3.6 pancake internal zoom. I will note -- this is not a power zoom. Nor is it a manual zoom. This is an instant, flick of a switch Tri-Elmar style zoom **that is editable in post**.

The benefits (and limitations) are obvious. Pricing? $1K? $2K? Limited focal range and aperture, but with incredible size and sharpness. Editable zoom in post? I have to believe it would demand ultra premium pricing.

So yes, it remains overpriced for just this functionality at $2.5K - $3.5K in my estimation. But you can't get that EVF in this form factor elsewhere. You can't get that unimaginable pancake zoom lens anywhere. It costs what it costs. I'm not waiting for an X-Pro 5 that *might* have some of this functionality.

And I will add, this camera does have the occasional 44x33mm image quality shot, which is a nice benefit to me. Therein lies some of the value gap to the $5K MSRP. It still, for me, is overpriced, but it is what it is.

This is why this camera makes sense to me, an admittedly non-44x33mm consumer. My needs may be APS-C and 24 megapixels (with output usually in the 8 megapixel area, only occasionally 16). But as a compact 28mm - 50mm, ~F5.6 shooter, this camera fits my use case in a very unique way.

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Apr 07, 2025 at 03:48 PM
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p.39 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


My own ongoing thought experiment:

I have a Sony A7CR and a very fine Sigma 24mm f3.5. When I set the camera's aspect ratio to 4:3, I end up with the focal length equivalent of about 27mm. This rangefinder stye setup has very similar size and weight as the GFX100 RF. Same basic sensor too...but only 54 megapixels of it (at the 4:3 aspect ratio).

The Fuji apparently has a very good viewfinder, vs. the Sony's mediocre one. The Sony, of course, allows interchangeable lenses.

When using a wide angle lens like the Sigma I can hand hold the A7CR at 1/4 second or more. In low light, that means I can use a significantly lower ISO, which would compensate for the IQ hit compared to the larger Fuji sensor. (Unless I am trying to stop motion, of course.)

The Sony/Sigma combo is excellent, and the body probably has better autofocus and more responsive overall operation than the Fuji.

I've pre-ordered the GFX100 RF, because it seems to suit my way of working, usually with a single medium wide prime lens, on the street. And I'm one of the people who can really use and appreciate all the megapixels. (For perspective control, decent sized prints, smoothness, fewer artifacts, more file malleability.)

But these days there's a lot that can be done in post processing to optimize full frame files. My usual print size is 16 x 24, right on the edge of where, IMO, larger format capture makes a significant difference. Even then, a lot depends on proper exposure, post processing, and what kind of paper I print on. It's always better to be able to go larger, though...

So I'm wavering. I have a long time background in large and medium format film photography, but I've been holding off on medium format digital because of size, weight, speed of operation and cost issues. I can afford the new Fuji, and I love its form factor. But I wonder if its IQ advantage, which is available within a useful but limited shooting envelope, is really worth it. I have to consider how big that advantage is, when it would apply, and what I would be giving up in terms of the A7CR's features, versatility and operability.




Apr 07, 2025 at 03:51 PM
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p.39 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


I ended up canceling my gfx100rf order. I truly want to own this camera but my guts jost not let me justify one, f4 aperture focal length at this price range. This is staying Ricoh GRIII price territory for me.


Apr 07, 2025 at 04:03 PM
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p.39 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


racetratr wrote:
My own ongoing thought experiment:

I have a Sony A7CR and a very fine Sigma 24mm f3.5. When I set the camera's aspect ratio to 4:3, I end up with the focal length equivalent of about 27mm. This rangefinder stye setup has very similar size and weight as the GFX100 RF. Same basic sensor too...but only 54 megapixels of it (at the 4:3 aspect ratio).

The Fuji apparently has a very good viewfinder, vs. the Sony's mediocre one. The Sony, of course, allows interchangeable lenses.

When using a wide angle lens like the Sigma I can hand hold the A7CR
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Sounds like you've got use case figured out ... imo, the difference is going to be in file maleability. If you find the MF sensor offers you something that your Sony doesn't keep pace with in post ... I'm guessing that'll be the "tipping point" for you.

For me, I already know that the MF file maleability is better than my Q2. Granted, I've got plenty of options ... but, in terms of better files in that form factor, it is pretty much the Q3 or GFX 100RF. Extending form factor to other styles, and the 907X / X1D II / X2D / GFX MILC's (bricks that they are) come into play, as well.

I just ran across the ZM 25/2.8 Biogon and VM 25/4 Skopar (a "refresh" thought) ... mounted on an M11 that little Skopar would be similar (fixed FL, wide, pixels to crop, no IBIS, svelte package) to the 100RF. No EVF, no tilt, no AF, but you get the gist ... for those looking for a svelte package. Oh, but that combo would be $$$ more than the 100RF (for those keeping $$$ score). Of course, you can then get ILC or faster glass whenever you want, too (for those griping at f/4 without IBIS).

As to print sizes ... my target is 24x32 and larger, so I can roll with most anything over 40MP (viewing distances understood), as long as the color tonality holds up well when pushed (or cropped, etc.) in post. My experience with the Hassy was that MF holds up very well vs. my Q2. Here again, the price point of the GFX 100RF isn't out of line when you put it in context of Hassy / Leica sensors > 50 MP.



Apr 07, 2025 at 05:10 PM
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p.39 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


chez wrote:
Why do you want the maximum resolution all the time? What do you do with your images that demands 102mp images?

Have you ever used a zoom. There is typically better primes that will yield better results but people still use zooms for convenience…very much like people will use the aspect ratio for convenience.


I use a zoom on my olympus camera for wildlife photography sometimes but for 43 years of people and landscape stuff i have always used prime lenses and aim to avoid any cropping any time at all but sometimes failing and making small crops.
but no issue with others loving the crop function , on the Leica Q2 i assign the crop button to a different function.



Apr 07, 2025 at 05:27 PM
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p.39 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


I reckon all the camera companies will be making fixed lens compact [ relative] cameras with high emphasis on cropping in the near future.
there is a really big potential market for the iphone generation who may well want this type of camera without the size of or need to mess about with other lenses.
the Q series has been great for Leica so maybe the new 100 RF will be huge for fuji.



Apr 07, 2025 at 06:14 PM
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Prosophos wrote:
Another take on the camera:


—Peter.

The most balanced review that I’ve seen…



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p.39 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


bwcolor wrote:
The most balanced review that I’ve seen…


This camera is not for portrait photographer...



Apr 08, 2025 at 12:12 AM
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p.39 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


robsonj wrote:
So, who ordered black and who ordered silver?


Provisionally ordered both (will cancel one)... leaning towards keeping the silver order as I generally like silver Fuji compact cameras.

Also watching some videos it looks like black can be a fingerprint magnet and in one video I saw that scratches on the camera reveal silver underneath...



Apr 08, 2025 at 12:19 AM
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tuomkok wrote:
This camera is not for portrait photographer...


watched it to today, he wasnt impressed, and why would you be. the apsc kit had better background seperation. note how not one person has commented on the AF system.



Apr 08, 2025 at 02:24 AM
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Reading about GFX100RF on internet it's just hilarious suddenly everybody want to shoot 1-1/10s handheld.
I don't have a single handheld shot under 1/60s, and 50-70% of that 1/60 are instant garbage because the subject movements.

I don't say lack of IBIS and F4 lens is not a compromise, but in every occasion folks focus only those shortcomings.



Apr 08, 2025 at 06:25 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
Reading about GFX100RF on internet it's just hilarious suddenly everybody want to shoot 1-1/10s handheld.
I don't have a single handheld shot under 1/60s, and 50-70% of that 1/60 are instant garbage because the subject movements.

I don't say lack of IBIS and F4 lens is not a compromise, but in every occasion folks focus only those shortcomings.

In a shocking development, it was revealed, that people use cameras differently for different kinds of photography!?!

I hand hold shots down to 1/25, 1/13 all the time, sometimes even down to 1/2 a second. With both my fullframe and MF cameras. A large part of my photography happens hand held, in dark conditions and or at night. That’s why I rely on ibis or ois.

With the RF it wouldn’t be so bad to miss the stabe, if it at least had a fast lens. But the f4 lens combined with the need for faster shutter speeds really is a double whammy.



Apr 08, 2025 at 06:40 AM
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vineyard wrote:
In a shocking development, it was revealed, that people use cameras differently for different kinds of photography!?!

I hand hold shots down to 1/25, 1/13 all the time, sometimes even down to 1/2 a second. With both my fullframe and MF cameras. A large part of my photography happens hand held, in dark conditions and or at night. That’s why I rely on ibis or ois.

With the RF it wouldn’t be so bad to miss the stabe, if it at least had a fast lens. But the f4 lens combined with the need for faster shutter speeds really is a double
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If you shoot 1/25-1/13 in dark conditions all time, why an earth take an f4 fixed lens camera without IBIS and 100MP into consideration? This is 12-24MP low light specific sensor cameras territory with IBIS.
I almost bought the GFX100RF, but I realised in most time I just not want to handle 100MP raws, and I need more separation at 50mm, at least f2.8 FF equivalent. I don't think they should have built a different camera for my needs, it's just not suited well my needs.



Apr 08, 2025 at 07:17 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
Reading about GFX100RF on internet it's just hilarious suddenly everybody want to shoot 1-1/10s handheld.
I don't have a single handheld shot under 1/60s, and 50-70% of that 1/60 are instant garbage because the subject movements.

I don't say lack of IBIS and F4 lens is not a compromise, but in every occasion folks focus only those shortcomings.


I was interested in this camera until I looked at the metadata from my last vacation. I hadn’t done much shooting since pre-Covid, where I traveled with an X100. I purchased two cameras for the trip. The Leica M11 Monochrom can shoot at ISO 12000 all day. It is an amazing camera with amazing APO lenses. The X2D with incredible IBIS provided the ability to drop the shutter speed and amazing APO lenses. These cameras changed what and how I shot. I could stop down for added depth of field with my night shots. I shot a military air show wide open at 1/4000 and could see fine detail on the distant jets at 500mph.
If you’re ok with f/2.8 on FF you should be ok with f/4.0. I was ok with the compromise of f/4.0. I’m ok with slightly compromised glass in order to save size and weight, but hand holding a larger sensor is challenging. Personally, I would keep my non-IBIS medium format shutter speed above 1/250 because I regularly make large prints. If you just post to the Internet, make small prints then go slower, but at that point, why not use a stabilized FF camera like the A7CR?
I wanted this camera prior to examining my metadata. I post now in the hopes that those that haven’t used larger sensors, realistically examine their needs.



Apr 08, 2025 at 07:19 AM
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p.39 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


bwcolor wrote:
If you’re ok with f/2.8 on FF you should be ok with f/4.0.


But it's not F4 at 50mm, it's like 50mm F6. It's a significant difference. But I just can't expect from such small lens this ability. There are arguments about f2.8 lens instead the F4. I can't agree, if the lens sticking out 30-50mm more and larger diameter it's better to go with an ILCE option.
In my case I can't spend a dime more on photography than GFX100RF current value, even this price is over my budget, but I'd trade my a7RV, 20G, 35GM, 65 APO for it, and still I have to finance some difference. I just can't justify keeping another camera with 1-2 fast prime for low DOF photography for another $2000-3000.
I may downgrade to A7III or another system, and wait 1-2 years for second hand GFX100RF and not jump now into insane investments. I like this camera as it is, just it can't do everything, and I can't expect too.



Apr 08, 2025 at 08:01 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
Reading about GFX100RF on internet it's just hilarious suddenly everybody want to shoot 1-1/10s handheld.
I don't have a single handheld shot under 1/60s, and 50-70% of that 1/60 are instant garbage because the subject movements.

I don't say lack of IBIS and F4 lens is not a compromise, but in every occasion folks focus only those shortcomings.


Yep, for my use where subject movement is present, ibis does not come into play.



Apr 08, 2025 at 08:23 AM
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vineyard wrote:
In a shocking development, it was revealed, that people use cameras differently for different kinds of photography!?!

I hand hold shots down to 1/25, 1/13 all the time, sometimes even down to 1/2 a second. With both my fullframe and MF cameras. A large part of my photography happens hand held, in dark conditions and or at night. That’s why I rely on ibis or ois.

With the RF it wouldn’t be so bad to miss the stabe, if it at least had a fast lens. But the f4 lens combined with the need for faster shutter speeds really is a double
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Exactly shocking that people shoot different subjects. Isn’t it great that we all have an assortment of cameras to choose from to meet our needs. If ibis is key for your type of photography…then this camera is not for you…choose something else. Very simple.



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