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Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.34 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


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the main fun is in the taking.


My feeling also.




Apr 03, 2025 at 05:19 PM
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p.34 #2 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


kalani_kane wrote:
low-light exploration: "Fujifilm GFX100RF Night STREET Photography, - Is It Bad?"



Good lord, those photos are awful, completely ruined by the noise. It's funny because usually YT compresses images enough to hide some flaws, but if you watch on a big 4K TV, pause, and go inspect the photos, they are horrid.

Granted man is shooting 1/125 and 1/250 on a dark night, so he was setting himself up for failure, but cmon.

This is one of the use cases where it's clear it's the wrong tool for the job.



Apr 03, 2025 at 05:26 PM
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p.34 #3 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


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This is one of the use cases where it's clear it's the wrong tool for the job.


I strongly disagree with this.

As someone for whom this kind of shooting (urban night time street photography) is my bread and butter, yes, these shots do not maximize the value of the ultra high detail unique to a 44x33mm sensor. A X100VI or GRIII would do many of these photos just fine.

But I see photos with the 65:24 aspect ratio. I see photos with the crop to 50mm and an aspect ratio crop. For those shots, this is the right tool.

Further, the question this video is asking isn't whether or not this camera is the best tool for these shots.

The question is whether the GFX can be used in these scenarios. And the answer shown in the video is yes. It works at least as well as the X100VI and GRIII. The F4 limitation is fine. Lack of IBIS is fine.

Though I think the answer to that question is kind of obvious -- we already know this from the X100V, but I think the video's creator believes he needs to demonstrate this due to ignorant comments to his prior video.

The point for me is that I would carry the GFX100RF alone and not also have a GRIII or X100V on me. And not only that, the GFX100RF can do, in other situations, things the GRIII or X100V can't do. If I were to be in a place with good light - say come inside a nicely lit room, I could take advantage of that 44x33 sensor with a nice clean ISO800 environmental portrait.

So for me, this video proves the viability of the camera for my use case.

1. Aspect ratio selection and improved crop-ability on the street at night.
2. Ability to replace my X100V as an EDC.
3. Ability to benefit from 44x33mm quality in certain other occasional situations (i.e., in a brightly lit indoor environment, or not at night).

Not everyone will use this camera the same way.



Apr 03, 2025 at 09:11 PM
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p.34 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Is there any, more serious information, test (not YT content creator bs) about the lens quality?
I'm using my 35GM 90% of my shots. Other 10% when I want wider, and I tend to use my 20G in crop mode to get bit wider FOV. I'm certain sometime I'd miss fast aperture. I'm waiting for reviwes but can't find any reliable yet. I'd like to know how this lens compares to 35GM at F4.



Apr 04, 2025 at 01:32 AM
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p.34 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


RoamingScott wrote:
Good lord, those photos are awful, completely ruined by the noise. It's funny because usually YT compresses images enough to hide some flaws, but if you watch on a big 4K TV, pause, and go inspect the photos, they are horrid.

Granted man is shooting 1/125 and 1/250 on a dark night, so he was setting himself up for failure, but cmon.

This is one of the use cases where it's clear it's the wrong tool for the job.



I agree, results in video were not great. It was a video of not to use GFX100RF

I do not have GFX experience, but I have used Sony A7rv extensively. Being a smaller version of the same sensor, it cannot be that far from Fuji 102mp.

That Sony sensor is not paticulary good at high ISO. It managages high ISO by scaling down high resolution, the end result being reasonably ok. Scaling down happens obviously even more with 102mp GFX sensor. However, if starting with a cropped image, the GFX advantage quickly disappears. Yet another GFX100RF contradiction.

It is obvious that GFX100RF is not a camera for night time street photography. It will also loose its medium format advantage in other low light scenarios such as indoors or Nordic mid winter photography. Fortunately most of us have other cameras at hand. (Just mentioning, not starting a debate of IBIS or f/2.8 here.)





Apr 04, 2025 at 01:52 AM
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p.34 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


RoamingScott wrote:
Good lord, those photos are awful, completely ruined by the noise. It's funny because usually YT compresses images enough to hide some flaws, but if you watch on a big 4K TV, pause, and go inspect the photos, they are horrid.

Granted man is shooting 1/125 and 1/250 on a dark night, so he was setting himself up for failure, but cmon.

This is one of the use cases where it's clear it's the wrong tool for the job.


That's a very good video actually, the guy did a good summary. Also, brave dude walking around holding a £5k camera with one hand and no strap. I guess it prooves that cameras that are not yours are indestructible, just like the fastest car on earth is a rental



Apr 04, 2025 at 03:43 AM
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p.34 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Yeah, I am kind of disappointed with how noisy the low light shots looked. I am curious how Full Frame cameras fare in the same location when at f1.4, f2, f2.8, etc and if it's also as noisy or cleaner with them. It's kind of hard to tell how dark it really is as the video camera was shot at ISO 12800 at times. Even full frame cameras might struggle similarly if its really dark.


Apr 04, 2025 at 06:32 AM
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p.34 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Lukacs wrote:
Is there any, more serious information, test (not YT content creator bs) about the lens quality?
I'm using my 35GM 90% of my shots. Other 10% when I want wider, and I tend to use my 20G in crop mode to get bit wider FOV. I'm certain sometime I'd miss fast aperture. I'm waiting for reviwes but can't find any reliable yet. I'd like to know how this lens compares to 35GM at F4.


I haven't found anything yet ... that presents technical objectivity regarding lens resolution, etc.

My gut tells me that this lens will perform "softer" than some of the world class leading MTF busting glass. My expectation is that its design (as noted by simple barrel distortion) will not achieve the same MTF levels of ASPH or APO glass. For instance, my Voigtlander 50/1.5 II Vintage is not bitingly sharp compared to its ASPH / APO brethren. Yet, it renders nicely and is plenty "sharp enough".

I'll put it through the paces for a comparison to my Q2 ... and I'm expecting the Lux to trump it on acuity, at f/4. But, my hope is that it'll be on par with the difference between say the Hassy original XCD glass and the new V or E series Hassy glass, similar to the diff between the Vintage / APO / ASPH in the Voigtlander lineup. Kinda like having a chisel that has been honed to 2000 grit, but not up to the levels of a 6000 grit honing. It's still way sharp enough to slice through and let you carve up whatever you like, but might not be as impressive on a paper cutting demonstration.

Until folks have it in hand, we're not gonna know for sure ... but, I'm going in to it with the perspective that my little OM 28 beat out a lot of lenses in a shootout for an overall optic (years back), despite other lenses having slightly sharper zone A performance. The Oly had a broader / balanced performance across A / B / C zones. Point being, how a designer balances out the quid pro quo aspects of optical design always comes with some degree understanding where the tradeoffs are / aren't ... vs. a single attribute, etc. The hint that it has simple barrel distortion (vs. typical ASPH wave distortion) is what I'm leaning on. While I'm not intimately familiar with your 35GM, the Zeiss tendency to harness ASPH designs (vs. spherical) would be something I'd factor into my expectations, regarding the magnitude of difference ... i.e. hoping it to be a good spherical design, yet, not on par with the best ASPH designs (for Zone A MTF performance).

That's part of the reason that Fred's reviews are so incredibly valuable. I'm hoping that Fred could get his hands on this lens for his world class review of it ... THEN, we'd really KNOW what it is / isn't.

Till then, we wait for folks to get this one in their mitts to see what can / can't be done with it. The "lack" of folks showing off its bitingly sharp attributes in the reviews hints to it not being something that is going to head to head with other glass on the MTF charts. The X100 series optic isn't the MTF King, I don't expect the GFX 100RF to be an MTF King, either. I expect it to be excellent for its size / optical design choices ... even, if not class leading against other optical designs.


I think this one isn't going to be about how sharp the chisel is ... it's gonna be about how well balanced, the chisel sits in your hand and lets you move about your work, as effortlessly and smoothly as possible. That, to see what you can craft and create with the tool in your hand, moreover than measure how sharp the tool is / isn't against other tools.

Of course ... nobody wants a "dull" tool, either. They're of no inspiration to use.

We'll soon see where Fuji landed this one. Hopefully, it'll be full of inspiration, when landed in your hands.




Apr 04, 2025 at 06:47 AM
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p.34 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


hsiunghsiung wrote:
Yeah, I am kind of disappointed with how noisy the low light shots looked. I am curious how Full Frame cameras fare in the same location when at f1.4, f2, f2.8, etc and if it's also as noisy or cleaner with them. It's kind of hard to tell how dark it really is as the video camera was shot at ISO 12800 at times. Even full frame cameras might struggle similarly if its really dark.


As somebody having long experience with Sony I can tell you the arnwer: much better. But there is a catch.

If using Sony in that scenario I can either rely on very good IBIS and/or much brighter lens. The catch is that going with IBIS shutter speeds get longer and with bright lens wide open DOF gets thinner. The result would not be much different if trying to get exactly the same pictures (deep DOF and freezing tram with fast shutter speed).

On the other hand thinner DOF and/or some motion would maybe look quite cool At least better than extremely high ISO image with ugly noise. In that scenario I would be happier shooting my Sony gear than GFX100RF.

However, the bottom line is that getting good pictures is extremely difficult in bad light.



Apr 04, 2025 at 07:57 AM
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p.34 #10 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


jjcha wrote:
I strongly disagree with this.

As someone for whom this kind of shooting (urban night time street photography) is my bread and butter, yes, these shots do not maximize the value of the ultra high detail unique to a 44x33mm sensor. A X100VI or GRIII would do many of these photos just fine.

But I see photos with the 65:24 aspect ratio. I see photos with the crop to 50mm and an aspect ratio crop. For those shots, this is the right tool.

Further, the question this video is asking isn't whether or not this camera is the best tool for these
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You're free to disagree, but the photos are objectively bad. If that's the best you can expect at night, at f4, at ISO 51,200, use a different camera, full stop.

It's much like these wildlife/bird photographers who spend SO much time getting into the right location and using the wrong equipment for one reason or another. Wishing your gear is adequate doesn't make it so, and often obviously so like in this case.

Points 2 and 3 of yours are totally valid, and THE reasons to buy this camera. Those can be true while it's also true that this camera sucks in these dark night conditions.

There is, of course, the option that your standards of quality are low enough where these results are adequate, in which case, I'd re-evaluate if you need a $5000 fixed lens medium format camera. I'm granting you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't in this category.



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p.34 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


The worst part about camera releases is the amount of time from the announcement to the actual release creates 34 pages of people arguing about a camera they haven't even touched yet.

It's an expensive camera with a fixed f4 lens that doesn't have IBIS. If that criteria eliminates the camera from one's consideration, even if price weren't an issue, then why spend the energy arguing about it?

Personally, I use an X2D professionally and love the MF (or quasi MF) sensor. The idea of that in a portable carry with me anywhere package is intriguing, especially given the ability to do everything from color grading/film sim to cropping in camera. Whether or not some YouTuber got bad images at night is irrelevant, because I know 99% of the time it's not the camera, it's the photographer.

The GFX100RF, in the hands of a competent photographer will produce stunning results, period. My only concern with my preorder at this point is what the price is going to jump ~20%+ or so after the tariff announcements. If so, I'd imagine there will be a lot of preorder cancellations.



Apr 04, 2025 at 09:07 AM
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p.34 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Really looking forward to seeing some shots from this beauty from people more talented than I


Apr 04, 2025 at 09:30 AM
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p.34 #13 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


RoamingScott wrote:
You're free to disagree, but the photos are objectively bad. If that's the best you can expect at night, at f4, at ISO 51,200, use a different camera, full stop.


What camera do you suppose should be used instead of this one to get far superior noiseless image when using f4, and ISO 51,200...? I'm sure your ZF isn't going to be it.

And why do you suggest a different camera, full stop? Why couldn't they use a different lens, like a prime, capable of maybe a 1 or 2 stop wider aperture, maybe standing in a different position to compensate?



Apr 04, 2025 at 09:50 AM
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p.34 #14 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


jourdan.merritt wrote:
Really looking forward to seeing some shots from this beauty from people more talented than I


No shortage of people here telling you how good they are. Whether they come through with the photos to back up those claims is another matter.

Nice site! I like your food photos.



Apr 04, 2025 at 09:55 AM
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Rob Brand wrote:
The worst part about camera releases is the amount of time from the announcement to the actual release creates 34 pages of people arguing about a camera they haven't even touched yet.


Indeed, hands-on experience with a tool like a camera can confirm things that seem obvious from the specifications to anyone who has used cameras for years or decades, can reveal specific shortcomings that aren’t obvious from understanding the design of the camera (e.g. - ergonomics, etc.).

However, extensive knowledge of and experience with a range of photography gear and a range of types of photography can inform evaluations of the concept and design of a camera and its suitability for particular uses. I don’t have to shoot with a X100vi to know the pluses and minuses of relying on a small fixed lens camera or to have useful, accurate things to say about the performance of the APS-C format. I don’t have to shoot every brand and model of DSLR to know that they make noise and that “mirror slap” is an issue for some kinds of photography.

I don’t have to own a pickup truck or a Smart Car to know that buying one would not be right for me. I donf’t have to have visited North Korea to understand that it isn’t at the top of my list of vacation destinations. I dion’t need get caught out in a blizzard for 24 hours to know about the dangers of hypothermia.

It is ironic that the “you haven’t used the camera so nothing you say is valid” crowd don’t bring that up when someone who hasn’t used it says something they agree with… ;-)



Apr 04, 2025 at 10:14 AM
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p.34 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


More and More, I'm thinking this might be a good camera for the way I shoot (and not have to put on a conversion lens like I would have to do with the x100VI

Does 35mm on the medium format give a FF equivalent of 28mm? My xpro-2 is black but now that I see x100VI and GFX100RF in silver, now I'm wondering if I should preorder a silver one



Apr 04, 2025 at 10:58 AM
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jturn00 wrote:
More and More, I'm thinking this might be a good camera for the way I shoot (and not have to put on a conversion lens like I would have to do with the x100VI

Does 35mm on the medium format give a FF equivalent of 28mm? My xpro-2 is black but now that I see x100VI and GFX100RF in silver, now I'm wondering if I should preorder a silver one


Yes. Multiply by .8 to get the 35mm equivalent.



Apr 04, 2025 at 11:56 AM
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p.34 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Some discussion re: lens sharpness (compared to the 32-64mm) at dpreview:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68214124

—Peter.



Apr 04, 2025 at 01:58 PM
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p.34 #19 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Wondering if I should keep the preorder just to make a buck and sell it NIB for below the new tariff'd price

Flip side is we're all about to be homeless and you can't eat a camera, so who would buy it?!



Apr 04, 2025 at 02:23 PM
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p.34 #20 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Prosophos wrote:
Some discussion re: lens sharpness (compared to the 32-64mm) at dpreview:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68214124

—Peter.


Yikes.



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