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Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.35 #1 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


RoamingScott wrote:
Yikes.


Why yikes?



Apr 04, 2025 at 02:42 PM
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p.35 #2 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Prosophos wrote:
Some discussion re: lens sharpness (compared to the 32-64mm) at dpreview:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68214124

—Peter.


I didn’t look at all of the examples at full size, but I did look at the last pair which, I believe, shows corner performance. There’s a pretty clear difference between the two samples.



Apr 04, 2025 at 03:15 PM
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p.35 #3 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


afrat wrote:
Why yikes?


The differences between this bespoke integrated prime lens and a good-but-not-exceptional zoom are obvious and don't reflect well upon the RF.



Apr 04, 2025 at 03:21 PM
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p.35 #4 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


RoamingScott wrote:
The differences between this bespoke integrated prime lens and a good-but-not-exceptional zoom are obvious and don't reflect well upon the RF.















Apr 04, 2025 at 04:11 PM
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p.35 #5 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


Compared to the USS Gerald R. Ford, they're practically the same size so they should certainly provide equal performance.


Apr 04, 2025 at 04:40 PM
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p.35 #6 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


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Nuff said.



Apr 04, 2025 at 05:18 PM
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p.35 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


I'm getting whiplash from some of the changing reactions to this camera in this thread

Were some folks under the impression that this tiny (for MF) camera would match the performance of a much larger lens/camera combination?


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Apr 04, 2025 at 05:53 PM
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p.35 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


itai195 wrote:
I'm getting whiplash from some of the changing reactions to this camera in this thread

Were some folks under the impression that this tiny (for MF) camera would match the performance of a much larger lens/camera combination?


That certainly seems to be the case.




Apr 04, 2025 at 05:58 PM
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p.35 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


itai195 wrote:
I'm getting whiplash from some of the changing reactions to this camera in this thread

Were some folks under the impression that this tiny (for MF) camera would match the performance of a much larger lens/camera combination?


Two different systems…two different usage scenarios. Match your system to your usage…but don’t try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

And again…so much fud from people not interested in the RF…guess they have a boring life.



Apr 04, 2025 at 06:37 PM
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p.35 #10 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


itai195 wrote:
I'm getting whiplash from some of the changing reactions to this camera in this thread

Were some folks under the impression that this tiny (for MF) camera would match the performance of a much larger lens/camera combination?


"Glass Rules" ... to expect anything else is to have an unrealistic understanding of optics and the inherent design challenges of quid pro quo. The optical physics of recessing the rear element so deeply close to the film plane is going to have certain aspects of consideration.


The torque of a 2L gasoline engine will never be the same as 6L diesel ... but, some folks will still want the size / weight / price of the 2L engine to perform at the same low end, torque levels of the 6L diesel. You can wish for it all you want, but it's foolish to expect you'll actually get it. Anyone that knows an iota of anything about engines knows they won't be the same.

And yet, when it comes to optics, some folks think you are supposed to be able violate the laws of physics. Kinda like trying to turn the USS Gerard R. Ford in as small a radius as a destroyer ... you can think it oughta be able to match up, all day long ... ain't gonna happen.





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p.35 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


itai195 wrote:
I'm getting whiplash from some of the changing reactions to this camera in this thread

Were some folks under the impression that this tiny (for MF) camera would match the performance of a much larger lens/camera combination?


Why, yes. They were.

We’ve been hearing for weeks about the quality of the miniMF format and how that would make this camera produce much greater results than the FF and APS-C options.

It is impressive to put a miniMF sensor in such a small and light camera. But what advantages are you gaining from this if the optical quality declines by comparison to a "regular" size camera using the same format?

As to the whiplash, it’s a familiar pattern. I’ve watched some participants in this thread do that dance before — dissing anyone who was less than irrationally exuberant about a newly released camera, only to turn negative on it themselves a couple of months later.

If you listen to them, you might want to balance their point of view with those of some of the more cautious photographers, too… and wait a bit to see how things settle out.

There’s a use case for this camera, but very few people actually fit it.

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Apr 04, 2025 at 07:37 PM
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p.35 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


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You're free to disagree, but the photos are objectively bad. If that's the best you can expect at night, at f4, at ISO 51,200, use a different camera, full stop.

It's much like these wildlife/bird photographers who spend SO much time getting into the right location and using the wrong equipment for one reason or another. Wishing your gear is adequate doesn't make it so, and often obviously so like in this case.

Points 2 and 3 of yours are totally valid, and THE reasons to buy this camera. Those can be true while it's also true that this camera sucks in
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"Objectively bad" is nonsensical unless you have MEASURABLE criteria for "bad". You are, of course, welcome to your own opinion of what is good or bad photography, attempting to impose it on everyone else is rude, IMO.



Apr 04, 2025 at 08:13 PM
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Hahahaha, I looked online but I couldn't find a comparison tool that had any of my (real) MF cameras in it (GSW690II, Pentax 67, Agfa Isolette II and Kiev 6C). I'm guessing all of these would look pretty small compared to all of those except the Isolette II.





Apr 04, 2025 at 08:21 PM
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p.35 #14 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


To my mind comparing this to a 100SII is pretty nonsensical. The sensor is the same, but the RF is in a completely different size class than the 100SII could have any hope of approaching. If you're after absolute IQ and willing to take on the size of a 100SII system, you absolutely should go that route.

The relevant comparison is to the Q3. The RF gives you the same focal length, a bit smaller size, certainly easier to pocket or fit in a bag, and more megapixels for cropping. Both of those appeal to me as a big Q3 user who values the small size and makes use of the cropping headroom provided by its sensor. The question to me is whether I'd miss that f/1.7 lens and IBIS, which I'd give up in the trade. I'm still on the fence there — I will probably have to try an RF and see how it works for me. I'm not sure why there's much need for drama or wish casting this camera into something it's not, the specs aren't what some folks were hoping for and that's just fine.



Apr 04, 2025 at 11:33 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
It is impressive to put a miniMF sensor in such a small and light camera. But what advantages are you gaining from this if the optical quality declines by comparison to a "regular" size camera using the same format?



You've literally answered your question in the first sentence: You are getting a small and light camera with a large size sensor. Whether the slight image degradation is relevant or not is up to the user and use case.

Would you rather have this or the Q3, for example. Just as big and heavy and expensive. Smaller sensor, fewer MP Vs faster lens.


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Apr 05, 2025 at 04:51 AM
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p.35 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


robsonj wrote:
So, who ordered black and who ordered silver?


Black ordered by me from Ffordes in Scotland. Not many people on their waiting list.



Apr 05, 2025 at 04:53 AM
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Having trawled through the entirety of this interminable thread, it’s pretty clear that there is a cohort of people who don’t understand why anyone would ever want anything less than critical sharpness and that this camera isn’t as good for that as the ILC GFX cameras with IBIS.

I really don’t care about critical sharpness. I just want photos that look a certain way, and a camera that I can carry around daily that can deliver those photos.

I looked hard at the Q3 and Q2M but I didn’t really like the ergonomics and size of the camera, and the image quality wasn’t enough of a step up from APS-C to warrant the Leica premium.

The GFX sensor seems to render things in the way that I like - there’s something about the tonality which feels much more refined and nuanced than anything else I’ve shot with. It’s a much more obvious improvement from shooting my XPro3 than the Leica. The GFX tonality gives me the same kind of electric feeling that I get when I see Nadav Kandar’s documentary photos. It’s a beautiful sensor. I didn’t want to lug a tank around every day though in the form of the gfx100sII.

I’m pretty much just going to use the RF to take photos of my wife and my dog and the places we visit. Sure, I could do that with the x100iv. But if I can capture these moments with a sensor that gives me goosebumps, I’d rather do that. It’s expensive, but memories are priceless. So why not do them justice?



Apr 05, 2025 at 05:10 AM
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p.35 #18 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread


gdanmitchell wrote:
I didn’t look at all of the examples at full size, but I did look at the last pair which, I believe, shows corner performance. There’s a pretty clear difference between the two samples.


It's a bit disappointment, the zoom lens overcome on this medium speed prime lens.
I'm still waiting for comparison to Leica Q3, Q43 but if it's not significant better at F4, I'd get either Q3 or the 43, even if those cameras more expensive, because the more versatile lens speed (and OIS). And if I want rationalise more, why not just get an A7RV with 24 f2.8G or 40 f2.5G, or just the new Viltrox 50 f2? All those lens not worse at F4, almost same size, faster speed, lens change option. Or even a A7CR, if somebody like that articulated screen (I don't).



Apr 05, 2025 at 05:47 AM
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itai195 wrote:
To my mind comparing this to a 100SII is pretty nonsensical. The sensor is the same, but the RF is in a completely different size class than the 100SII could have any hope of approaching. If you're after absolute IQ and willing to take on the size of a 100SII system, you absolutely should go that route.


To me, this is similar to comparing the optical output of the Leica SL APO lenses on the SL3 to an excellent M mount lens (with adapter) on the SL3. The engineering of optical excellence afforded in the mountain of glass in the SL APO is a level up above a counterpart M ASPH. An inherent value of the M lens is that for its size, it still packs a punch that meets / exceeds the thresholds for many, many things ... without the size / weight of the SL APO ... which is undeniably a "superior" MTF experience. At what point does the difference in APO vs. ASPH create the value proposition for the difference in size / weight. Personal choices.



Of late, I've been shooting my wider M glass at mostly F/4 or F/5.6. Rarely F/8. So, the experience of a diminutive package without stabilization, and without anything wider than F/4 pretty much mimics the 100RF setup. The main diff's is the 100RF has AF, tilting screen, MF sensor, EVF. Of those things, the AF is probably my least need (but it could be convenient for letting others use it will have value, as well as "those times".).

The MF sensor is hoping to afford my color work a greater continuity of tonality than my current Q2 ... which begs the question of the sensor in the SL3 / Q3 / M11 and the toppings / readouts used for those as potential upgrades, instead of either the Hassy or the GFX. My experience with the X1D II for my color work was nice. I had a pair of lenses, but on the wide side, the 45/3.5 wasn't as wide as my Q2 and I'd need both bodies (both around 50MP) ... and the color of the Q2 didn't reach the levels of the Hassy.

So, (for me) ... while many folks are comparing this to sit between the Q3 and Q3 43, I'm seeing it more as the offspring of the Q series and the X1D II (no IBIS), with the addition of a tilt display, in a single body. I'll be retaining my SL2-S for my longer glass, which has IBIS. Leaf shutter and wide FL ... I should get along without IBIS just fine, like I do with my M's. If I really want to do low light, IBIS oriented work, the big pixels + IBIS on my SL2-S and small M lenses can fit the bill for that, in lieu of no IBIS / tripod work with the 100RF or M bodies.

I don't see the 100RF as a replacement for anything, rather I see where it can "slot in" to the mix, with other rigs ... none of which can ever be a 100% complete, stand alone solution, for all things, to all people, all the time. It's but one piece in the "camera wardrobe" (see below).

The added advantage of built in ND and long exposure times (vs. Q), and dual card slots isn't the main advantage over the Q, but it might be nice to have. Tradeoff ... no macro, no OIS, no F/1.7.



I think that when I look at the % of my shots that are taken with 24 / 35 / 40 / 50 on my M vs. the number on my Q, the M is easily the one that I carry more than the Q2. To that end, I'm looking at the 100RF as something that I'll incorporate with my M to a more significant degree than I have my Q2. Having the 100RF and the M with the 50/1.5 II could make for a nice pairing of smaller rigs, retaining a degree of reasonability to the concept of "cropping" the 100MP. For an even smaller setup, I could mount my 40/2 on the M, or mount up the longer 75/2.4 to have more of a short tele landscape to pair with the X100RF.

Think of a black suit or black skirt ... repeatedly mixed with tie or blouse of your choice. The X100RF is "fixed" like the staple of a the basic / classic, black attire ... others are interchangeable to be customized to your mood. I could likely achieve something similar with a pair of M's and just mount up the 28 Cron on say an M11, and ILC a "lesser" M (still an option of approach), but the 100RF is at least worth a serious consideration to sit in that space between the matrix of potential options. In some regard, the 100RF has removed certain decisions from the equation, via the fixed lens approach. What % (i.e. never expecting it to be 100%) will it come into play. IDK, but I do anticipate it to be more than the Q2 sitting in my bag most days.



I guess, my thinking is that the 100RF can become part of my fixed lens EDC (vs. Q), and the M (or SL) can be the augmentation to take over where the 100RF doesn't cover. For, "not a lot" more size, the color depth of the 100RF is an attractive rig, that the 50R (also, no IBIS) and the larger IBIS brethren of the GFX ILC's kinda "tap out" on the ergonomics. Granted, the Hassy is still an option ... but, it is also a different size / price point.

My (hopefully, realistic) anticipation is that the 100RF might be a "Goldilocks" to sit in the midst of these varied options ... and be a different amount of my EDC than my Q2 is (which it really isn't, for me).

Only one way to know ...





The relevant comparison is to the Q3. The RF gives you the same focal length, a bit smaller size, certainly easier to pocket or fit in a bag, and more megapixels for cropping. Both of those appeal to me as a big Q3 user who values the small size and makes use of the cropping headroom provided by its sensor. The question to me is whether I'd miss that f/1.7 lens and IBIS, which I'd give up in the trade. I'm still on the fence there — I will probably have to try an RF and see how it works for...Show more


The other thing that is kinda in my history is that back in the film era ... I rolled with a Nikon FE and a 28/2.8. The form factor of the 100RF is reminiscent, and a 2.8 (stopped down for improved optic) FF isn't that far off from the 100RF, just a larger sensor (and AF).

Along with that, was my 75-150/3.5 ... which for the jump to longer glass, one can approach it with ILC or with two bodies. Imo, the need for IBIS is greater on the long side of thing. And, when you are magnifying things, the FF format + longer optic is a lighter / smaller setup than MF + longer (and larger) optic to cover the larger image circle. So, in that instance, having two different format bodies isn't such a bad thing ... i.e. FF for my longer work, MF for my wider work).

More than one way to skin the cat. Finding the one that works best for you ... personal choices.






Apr 05, 2025 at 06:47 AM
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panos.v wrote:
You've literally answered your question in the first sentence: You are getting a small and light camera with a large size sensor. Whether the slight image degradation is relevant or not is up to the user and use case.

Would you rather have this or the Q3, for example. Just as big and heavy and expensive. Smaller sensor, fewer MP Vs faster lens.


There are many small and light cameras, some smaller and lighter and less expensive, that provide excellent output for the purpose for which many are using them.

The difference in image quality output between miniMF and FF exists, but it is smaller than many hope and is irrelevant in many use cases. (It is relevant if you are working at a very high end level and perhaps making very large prints at the end of a sophisticated post-processing workflow. But not so much if you are sharing jpgs of your vacation…)

If it were true that existing, smaller options don’t already provide more than enough quality for most users of small camera then the larger size and higher price and limited features might make sense for more users… as the use of 120/220 fixed lens film cameras over 35mm film cameras did several decades ago.

And if the argument for THIS small and light camera is that its larger sensor will make the extra size and cost worthwhile, it is not irrelevant that the delta (already smaller than many want to believe) between the output of the smaller systems and this somewhat larger format becomes even smaller.

As I have written many times, there IS a use case for this camera, but it is fairly limited. It isn’t likely to be useful as the primary or only camera for very many photographers, nor is it going to be the ideal “always with me” camera for a whole lot of folks.



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