p.10 #2 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
dclark wrote:
To say having the TC in the lens and available with a switch is only a "convenience" and has "no image making advantage" is way too far for me. Having the TC quickly available makes many shots much better. Trying to put the TC on the lens while I am out on the trail is a major PITA and not effective if a situation develops quickly that would benefit from having the TC instantly available. Being able to quickly flip the TC into place is a great advantage, not just a convenience.
A few years ago when I was shooting with Canon equipment I had their 200-600/4 w/TC. It is one of my all time favorite lenses. It was super heavy but having that built-in TC was a terrific benefit. I held on to it for years after I switched to Sony, hoping Canon would intro a camera I like. A couple of years ago I finally gave up and sold it.
Nikon has introduced their 400/2.8 and 600/4 with TC and that is a big incentive for me to switch. If Nikon was a bit faster with camera technology I would switch, but they lag and the Sony A1 is keeping me with Sony. But I see no prospect of Sony ever offering a 600 with built-in TC. It would not take a lot of improvement in Nikon's camera offering to get me to switch to get the 600/4 w/TC. ...Show more →
I agree that having the built in TC offers the convenience of being able to apply the TC quickly. There are likely times that this will result in an advantage that either having to crop, or add the TC manually doesn't compensate for. No argument from me there. If a built in TC is your preference in a long lens then that may be your best choice. But as you have said, the other features in the Sony system that I referenced are keeping you from switching. I tried to make that point clearly in my post. I think your post confirms that view as one we currently share.
p.10 #3 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
duncang wrote:
Well I can't see too many problems with the A9iii image quality. These are from preview sample gallery and processed with Topaz nr.
At what ISO were these shot that it required being processed through Topaz? I am not inclined to evaluate a camera's IQ based on post processing. I really want to know my starting point.
p.10 #4 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
I would never want a TC built in as most of them tend to be inferior. Leica, Sony made good ones . I had them years ago with Nikon but not sure recently and if needed I’d rather put them on.
Nov 10, 2023 at 04:37 PM
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p.10 #5 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
GMPhotography wrote:
I would never want a TC built in as most of them tend to be inferior. Leica, Sony made good ones . I had them years ago with Nikon but not sure recently and if needed I’d rather put them on.
The built in TC on these new Nikon lenses shows excellent performance from what I've seen from others. A friend of mine has heard of a few cases of them being misaligned, but I think this is very uncommon.
p.10 #6 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
1bwana1 wrote:
At what ISO were these shot that it required being processed through Topaz? I am not inclined to evaluate a camera's IQ based on post processing. I really want to know my starting point.
I agree I would not use Topaz as that is not my normal program that more leans to noise reduction at least not in a test
p.10 #7 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
On the whole lens deal. Nikon always made good glass and a lot of them. Sony only really where it counts is the last 10 years of mirror less so fewer for sure but you can bolt just about anything on a Sony too. Honestly worthless debate.
Nov 10, 2023 at 04:44 PM
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p.10 #8 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
RoamingScott wrote:
Disregarding the advantages of built in TCs is asinine. Those alone could easily get you an image you'd miss while fumbling with a dedicated TC in the field.
In the end, anyone worth their salt will make the best possible image that each system will allow, and those resulting images brand-to-brand would be nearly indistinguishable to 99.9% of viewers. It's all so much pissing against the wind, so anyone who gets invested and butthurt over any of this just ends up covered in their own filth
Yes sure there is an advantage but the Nikon 600 costs AUD27,000 while the Sony 600 costs AUD17,000.
It's not like you can't get the shot without the 1.4TC - with 50 or 60mp you can just crop - would you even be able to tell the difference ?
I am spending the balance on a global shutter.
Or maybe a 1.5kg 300 f/2.8 with a 1.4TC or a 2x TC. Which imo is much better alternative than owning both the 400 f/4.5 and 600 f/6.3.
As for missing shots - until Nikon fix their subject detection and autofocus system there is no point talking about their lens lineup.
Nov 10, 2023 at 04:51 PM
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p.10 #9 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
1bwana1 wrote:
At what ISO were these shot that it required being processed through Topaz? I am not inclined to evaluate a camera's IQ based on post processing. I really want to know my starting point.
They probably don't need Topaz - check the originals out on the DPReview site yourself - although they are not RAW files, just in camera jpeg.
As for evaluating the image - I am only interested in the end result.
p.10 #10 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
It’s Raw or nothing especially on test. You have no idea what the.
OEM is putting in there in camera jpegs. I never tested anything with in camera and never will
p.10 #13 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
It's all about the lens for me. I am so pleased Sony gave us what looks to be a killer 300/2.8 with a fantastic weight. I know some are displeased about the lack of a built-in extender, but I'm happy they didn't jack up the weight and price for one.
I'm curious about the camera's sensor tech, but I'll be more excited about it (at work, anyway) if it finds its way into the FX9 replacement, which is rumored to come next year. Full-width 6K 60p with no rolling shutter in a body with decent heat management would be very exciting.
According to the review, apparently, A9 iii has an interesting noise reduction feature:
" ... Composite RAW Shooting. This captures up 32 RAW images that can then be stacked in Sony Imaging Edge to minimize noise and false color even when shooting at high ISO or in low light conditions. This is intended to compensate for the more limited ISO performance of the global shutter sensor – a tradeoff of the technology – with its higher base of ISO250. ..."
Apparently, Sony is already giving a deep discount for 'Creators'. The B&H price is $4800 as Creators Discount. I find it's kind of unfair but happy for those who can get the discount. You need to be in US and then open a Creator account with certain conditions.
p.10 #15 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
wordfool wrote:
I'm sure Sony will continue selling the A9ii for the foreseeable future to satisfy those who want a still-very-capable stacked sensor camera for <$4K, although to compete with the Z8 they'll have to cut the price closer to $3K.
The A9iii price does make me worry about how much the A1ii will potentially cost though :/ Still, it's fun to speculate what the A1ii will be -- perhaps no global sensor, but a faster-readout "regular" stacked sensor incorporating all the other new features of the A9ii and A7Rv like pre-shot, focus stacking, AF improvements, flippy screen etc.
…. A9ii is not an updated stacked sensor camera. Seriously u think that camera can compete today? A9ii can’t even compete with Sony a9, just look at the number of Sony a9 users now. I still use a Sony a9. That is how ancient Sony stacked sensor camera are now. I don’t even want to list the stuff Sony has developed since the a9 which they can add in a new camera with zero research cost.
According to the review, apparently, A9 iii has an interesting noise reduction feature:
" ... Composite RAW Shooting. This captures up 32 RAW images that can then be stacked in Sony Imaging Edge to minimize noise and false color even when shooting at high ISO or in low light conditions. This is intended to compensate for the more limited ISO performance of the global shutter sensor – a tradeoff of the technology – with its higher base of ISO250. ..."
Apparently, Sony is already giving a deep discount for 'Creators'. The B&H price is $4800 as Creators Discount. I find it kind of unfair but happy for those who can get the discount. You need to be in US and then open a Creator account with certain conditions.
Yes a lot of people still don't get that Sony is not a traditional camera company. Sony is primarily a financial, insurance, content provider, manufacturer, high tech IP, and consumer electronics company. They promote and operate differently. There are a number of programs that serve different markets at different price points.
According to the review, apparently, A9 iii has an interesting noise reduction feature:
" ... Composite RAW Shooting. This captures up 32 RAW images that can then be stacked in Sony Imaging Edge to minimize noise and false color even when shooting at high ISO or in low light conditions. This is intended to compensate for the more limited ISO performance of the global shutter sensor – a tradeoff of the technology – with its higher base of ISO250. ..."
Apparently, Sony is already giving a deep discount for 'Creators'. The B&H price is $4800 as Creators Discount. I find it's kind of unfair but happy for those who can get the discount. You need to be in US and then open a Creator account with certain conditions.
p.10 #18 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
wind30 wrote:
…. A9ii is not an updated stacked sensor camera. Seriously u think that camera can compete today? A9ii can’t even compete with Sony a9, just look at the number of Sony a9 users now. I still use a Sony a9. That is how ancient Sony stacked sensor camera are now. I don’t even want to list the stuff Sony has developed since the a9 which they can add in a new camera with zero research cost.
The A9ii can't complete with the A9? Not sure I'm understanding your argument here. Sony did add a lot more tech into its cameras with the A7Rv, A1, and now the A9iii. And despite only minor updates from the original A9, the A9ii is still a good camera IMO (just as the og A9 is) and still one of only a handful of stacked sensor bodies on the market. Sure, there's now a huge price gap between the "old" A9ii and the A1/A9iii, but I'm sure that's something Sony market-researched to death and decided is OK for now. After all, these cameras are targeted at professionals and agencies for whom a couple grand is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Why would a hobbyist *need* a global sensor body that shoots 120fps?
Sony pioneered stacked sensors in still cameras and is now pioneering the global sensor. As far as getting the new tech into cameras there is no such thing as zero research cost. I'm no expert, but I imagine implementing things like faster sensor readouts and better AF etc. requires new processors, new internal circuitry, new internal mechanical designs, new firmware, etc. that all no doubt require considerable R&D resources. It's not like you can just magically drop new tech into an existing body with no additional cost or design changes.
p.10 #19 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Whine, whine, whine. A new camera that has great options that you don’t have to use, or that does not do what YOU think it should do. Then don’t buy it.
Guess what? Design and manufacture your own perfect camera and see how many people will whine about it also.
Good thing the lens does not have as many options as the camera or there would be just as much whining about it.
Nov 13, 2023 at 01:36 AM
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p.10 #20 · Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
GMPhotography wrote:
I bet all shot on pre firmware and not final production . So you learn really nothing.
Never seen any dramatic change in IQ from any manufacturer in the last 15 years between product announcement and release. Maybe some incomplete peripheral features but short of a whole new sensor IQ will be baked in by now.
The A9ii can't complete with the A9? Not sure I'm understanding your argument here. Sony did add a lot more tech into its cameras with the A7Rv, A1, and now the A9iii. And despite only minor updates from the original A9, the A9ii is still a good camera IMO (just as the og A9 is) and still one of only a handful of stacked sensor bodies on the market. Sure, there's now a huge price gap between the "old" A9ii and the A1/A9iii, but I'm sure that's something Sony market-researched to death and decided is OK for now. After all, these cameras are targeted at professionals and agencies for whom a couple grand is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Why would a hobbyist *need* a global sensor body that shoots 120fps?