Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
p.11 #1Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Apologies if this has already been answered; Does anyone know where the pre-capture data is stored ? Is it being constantly written to the card(s) or is it stored internally and only written to the card when the shutter is pressed?
I suspect there is some internal storage, would writing and re-writing data to the card while the shutter is half-pressed potentially cause some long-term issues with the cards?
I suspect there is some internal storage, would writing and re-writing data to the card while the shutter is half-pressed potentially cause some long-term issues with the cards?
Nov 13, 2023 at 04:18 PM
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p.11 #2Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
LiveShots wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered; Does anyone know where the pre-capture data is stored ? Is it being constantly written to the card(s) or is it stored internally and only written to the card when the shutter is pressed?
I suspect there is some internal storage, would writing and re-writing data to the card while the shutter is half-pressed potentially cause some long-term issues with the cards?
All cameras utilize the internal camera memory/buffer for this functionality, as far as I know.
Apologies if this has already been answered; Does anyone know where the pre-capture data is stored ? Is it being constantly written to the card(s) or is it stored internally and only written to the card when the shutter is pressed?
I suspect there is some internal storage, would writing and re-writing data to the card while the shutter is half-pressed potentially cause some long-term issues with the cards?
All cameras utilize the internal camera memory/buffer for this functionality, as far as I know.
Nov 13, 2023 at 04:22 PM
p.11 #3Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Not sure if this is posted elsewhere, Sony product and specs pages for the a9III...
Alpha 9 III full-frame camera with a global shutter system | Sony Liberia
https://www.sony.com/lr/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9m3
ILCE-9M3 Specifications | Cameras | Sony Liberia
https://www.sony.com/lr/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9m3/specifications
...looks like it packs a wallop for my interests...global shutter, 10-bit internal 4K 120P, HEIF stills, 9.4MP EVF.
Now, if someone can do all this but at 8K resolution I'll be set, I take this release as a harbinger of things to come!
Alpha 9 III full-frame camera with a global shutter system | Sony Liberia
https://www.sony.com/lr/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9m3
ILCE-9M3 Specifications | Cameras | Sony Liberia
https://www.sony.com/lr/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-9m3/specifications
...looks like it packs a wallop for my interests...global shutter, 10-bit internal 4K 120P, HEIF stills, 9.4MP EVF.
Now, if someone can do all this but at 8K resolution I'll be set, I take this release as a harbinger of things to come!
Nov 29, 2023 at 06:22 AM
p.11 #4Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Why did Sony move the movie record button back to beside the viewfinder
? Can’t they freaking decide where to put the button?
? Can’t they freaking decide where to put the button?Nov 30, 2023 at 04:43 PM
p.11 #5Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Was covering a pro sports event last night where a A9iii pre production was being tested in an arena with strobes. I’m a Nikon shooter but chatted with the photographer who I know out of curiosity for his experience with it.
He showed me a photo on the back of the camera that he took before the game testing strobes and camera setup with a 1/16000 shutter speed and it looked like a normal one he would take with his A1 which he synchs at 1/400.
This will be a game changer for sports settings like this and open up all kinds of possibilities for different looks like black background etc. Very cool.
He showed me a photo on the back of the camera that he took before the game testing strobes and camera setup with a 1/16000 shutter speed and it looked like a normal one he would take with his A1 which he synchs at 1/400.
This will be a game changer for sports settings like this and open up all kinds of possibilities for different looks like black background etc. Very cool.
Dec 03, 2023 at 12:54 PM
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p.11 #6Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Review from Mark Smith of the 300GM:
Dec 06, 2023 at 11:56 AM
p.11 #7Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
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Review from Mark Smith of the 300GM:
Encouraging what he says about TCs in the end .
Review from Mark Smith of the 300GM:
Encouraging what he says about TCs in the end
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p.11 #8Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Mark shared a photo on Threads the other day with the 2x TC. Looked sharp, but images are compressed for social media viewing.
Dec 06, 2023 at 12:39 PM
p.11 #9Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
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Why did Sony move the movie record button back to beside the viewfinder? Can’t they freaking decide where to put the button?
You know that you can reassign that as you please? Or simply use the shutter button for video mode, too?
Why did Sony move the movie record button back to beside the viewfinder
? Can’t they freaking decide where to put the button?You know that you can reassign that as you please? Or simply use the shutter button for video mode, too?
Dec 06, 2023 at 01:20 PM
p.11 #10Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
I would like to know how long this lens is with the hood in shooting position. Anyone, please!
Dec 07, 2023 at 05:42 AM
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p.11 #11Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Daran wrote:
? Can’t they freaking decide where to put the button?You know that you can reassign that as you please? Or simply use the shutter button for video mode, too?
The main problem is that they switch it with the c1 button… my Dji gimbal has the c1 button so I cannot reassign the c1 button else I will lose the c1 function on the Dji gimbal.
Why did they switch the record button… are they going back to a7iii/a9 style?? Common, it is not that tough to decide where to put the red button, since it’s programmable, just stop switching it over and over again.
wind30 wrote
Why did Sony move the movie record button back to beside the viewfinder? Can’t they freaking decide where to put the button?The main problem is that they switch it with the c1 button… my Dji gimbal has the c1 button so I cannot reassign the c1 button else I will lose the c1 function on the Dji gimbal.
Why did they switch the record button… are they going back to a7iii/a9 style?? Common, it is not that tough to decide where to put the red button, since it’s programmable, just stop switching it over and over again.
Dec 07, 2023 at 04:02 PM
p.11 #12Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
gregfountain wrote:
I know there are those who need it, but it would drive me nuts having to go through 1000's of images recorded from a few seconds of shooting.
Good on Sony for innovating.
It’s hundreds, not thousands, and Sony showed a Quick Look at how you do it - you can open a burst, posy back and forth to find the frame or frames you want, tag them, and upload just those. It’s in the announcement video.
I know there are those who need it, but it would drive me nuts having to go through 1000's of images recorded from a few seconds of shooting.
Good on Sony for innovating. It’s hundreds, not thousands, and Sony showed a Quick Look at how you do it - you can open a burst, posy back and forth to find the frame or frames you want, tag them, and upload just those. It’s in the announcement video.
Dec 12, 2023 at 01:19 AM
p.11 #13Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
LiveShots wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered; Does anyone know where the pre-capture data is stored ? Is it being constantly written to the card(s) or is it stored internally and only written to the card when the shutter is pressed?
I suspect there is some internal storage, would writing and re-writing data to the card while the shutter is half-pressed potentially cause some long-term issues with the cards?
It cannot be on the card, because the card just isn’t fast enough. The pre-capture buffer is in RAM, as a circular buffer, and that RAM may wear out eventually but modern RAM will last decades of continuous writing.
When you press the shutter it starts writing that buffer to card starting from the point which is “precapture amount before the current instant”. I think they said the buffer is over 6 gigabytes. Sounds about right if you are holding the uncompressed 24Mp image data (call it about 48-50MB per frame, and the pre buffer is up to 1 second at 120fps, that would be 50 x 120 = 6000 MB…)
Apologies if this has already been answered; Does anyone know where the pre-capture data is stored ? Is it being constantly written to the card(s) or is it stored internally and only written to the card when the shutter is pressed?
I suspect there is some internal storage, would writing and re-writing data to the card while the shutter is half-pressed potentially cause some long-term issues with the cards?
It cannot be on the card, because the card just isn’t fast enough. The pre-capture buffer is in RAM, as a circular buffer, and that RAM may wear out eventually but modern RAM will last decades of continuous writing.
When you press the shutter it starts writing that buffer to card starting from the point which is “precapture amount before the current instant”. I think they said the buffer is over 6 gigabytes. Sounds about right if you are holding the uncompressed 24Mp image data (call it about 48-50MB per frame, and the pre buffer is up to 1 second at 120fps, that would be 50 x 120 = 6000 MB…)
Dec 12, 2023 at 01:31 AM
p.11 #14Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Choderboy wrote:
There you go using intelligence with regards 120fps. Unique.
For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?
That “no control while saving buffer” went away with the new BIONZ CPU in the A1. It’s in every body since the A1.
There you go using intelligence with regards 120fps. Unique.
For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
nhmorgan wrote
I hadn't really thought about this until I read on the sony page, but that 120 FPS lets you do stacking for noise on static subjects. Pretty cool. As others have mentioned, I suspect the dynamic range might be fine on this camera, but I wonder how the high ISO performance is going to look without a dual gain sensor. If this is truly a sports camera, it needs to be really good at that. That will be the true test of the camera's value IMO.Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?
That “no control while saving buffer” went away with the new BIONZ CPU in the A1. It’s in every body since the A1.
Dec 12, 2023 at 01:39 AM
p.11 #15Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
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+$6k is crazy.
People said that about the A1 at $6500. Sony managed to sell one or two of those…
+$6k is crazy.
People said that about the A1 at $6500. Sony managed to sell one or two of those…
Dec 12, 2023 at 01:41 AM
p.11 #16Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
docusync wrote:
I can't wait to see how Thom Hogan spins how this new technology is inferior to Nikon... probably along the same lines as the Sony AF system being too easy to use and Nikon is superior because it makes you really work hard to get comparable results.This is funny because this exactly Sony technology will eventually end up in a Nikon camera simply because Nikon buy Sony sensors. No doubt Nikon will also add some "secret sauce" inside, like an 1lb piece of metal so the camera would feel ROCK SOLID
But the new AF is not in the sensor. It’s the BIONZ CPUs + that “AI” chip. Nikon may have to develop its own new AF.
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But poor Matt cannot help to deliver underhanded acknowledgments or compliments towards Sony.But the new AF is not in the sensor. It’s the BIONZ CPUs + that “AI” chip. Nikon may have to develop its own new AF.
Dec 12, 2023 at 01:48 AM
p.11 #17Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Tony Ross wrote:
For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?That “no control while saving buffer” went away with the new BIONZ CPU in the A1. It’s in every body since the A1.
I would assume so (regards no control while saving buffer). The A9III though, is radically different. So until we know for sure, I'm just being cautious.
Regards the CFE-A:
A is 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm.
B is 38.5 x 29.8 x 3.8mm.
That is a lot of extra space required. Advancements in CFE-A tech, or new card with same form factor is more likely IMHO.
Choderboy wrote
There you go using intelligence with regards 120fps. Unique.For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
nhmorgan wrote
I hadn't really thought about this until I read on the sony page, but that 120 FPS lets you do stacking for noise on static subjects. Pretty cool. As others have mentioned, I suspect the dynamic range might be fine on this camera, but I wonder how the high ISO performance is going to look without a dual gain sensor. If this is truly a sports camera, it needs to be really good at that. That will be the true test of the camera's value IMO.Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?
I would assume so (regards no control while saving buffer). The A9III though, is radically different. So until we know for sure, I'm just being cautious.
Regards the CFE-A:
A is 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm.
B is 38.5 x 29.8 x 3.8mm.
That is a lot of extra space required. Advancements in CFE-A tech, or new card with same form factor is more likely IMHO.
Dec 12, 2023 at 03:40 AM
p.11 #18Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Choderboy wrote:
For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?That “no control while saving buffer” went away with the new BIONZ CPU in the A1. It’s in every body since the A1.I would assume so (regards no control while saving buffer). The A9III though, is radically different. So until we know for sure, I'm just being cautious.
Regards the CFE-A:
A is 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm.
B is 38.5 x 29.8 x 3.8mm.
That is a lot of extra space required. Advancements in CFE-A tech, or new card with same form factor is more likely IMHO.
Keep in mind that the slots in Sony cameras are not CF express type A slots but rather a mix of SD and type A. SD cards are in between type A and B cards in size so it is not quite that big difference.
Cameras like Canon R5, Nikon Z7 II is has type B and SD slots without being that much bigger than A9III. I believe what Sony ultimately chooses to do in future cameras depends on what customers demand.
Tony Ross wrote
Choderboy wrote
There you go using intelligence with regards 120fps. Unique.For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
nhmorgan wrote
I hadn't really thought about this until I read on the sony page, but that 120 FPS lets you do stacking for noise on static subjects. Pretty cool. As others have mentioned, I suspect the dynamic range might be fine on this camera, but I wonder how the high ISO performance is going to look without a dual gain sensor. If this is truly a sports camera, it needs to be really good at that. That will be the true test of the camera's value IMO.Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?
Regards the CFE-A:
A is 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm.
B is 38.5 x 29.8 x 3.8mm.
That is a lot of extra space required. Advancements in CFE-A tech, or new card with same form factor is more likely IMHO.
Keep in mind that the slots in Sony cameras are not CF express type A slots but rather a mix of SD and type A. SD cards are in between type A and B cards in size so it is not quite that big difference.
Cameras like Canon R5, Nikon Z7 II is has type B and SD slots without being that much bigger than A9III. I believe what Sony ultimately chooses to do in future cameras depends on what customers demand.
Dec 12, 2023 at 06:59 AM
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p.11 #19Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
randomguy wrote:
For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?That “no control while saving buffer” went away with the new BIONZ CPU in the A1. It’s in every body since the A1.I would assume so (regards no control while saving buffer). The A9III though, is radically different. So until we know for sure, I'm just being cautious.
Regards the CFE-A:
A is 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm.
B is 38.5 x 29.8 x 3.8mm.
That is a lot of extra space required. Advancements in CFE-A tech, or new card with same form factor is more likely IMHO.Keep in mind that the slots in Sony cameras are not CF express type A slots but rather a mix of SD and type A. SD cards are in between type A and B cards in size so it is not quite that big difference.
Cameras like Canon R5, Nikon Z7 II is has type B and SD slots without being that much bigger than A9III. I believe what Sony ultimately chooses to do in future cameras depends on what customers demand.
I assume the size difference been the Canon R5 and any modern Sony body would be larger if the R5 had 2 Type B slots instead of just the 1.
Choderboy wrote
Tony Ross wrote
Choderboy wrote
There you go using intelligence with regards 120fps. Unique.For CFE Type A, just an increased buffer size needed.
I doubt it will have the A9 original issue of no access to control while buffer clears.
nhmorgan wrote
I hadn't really thought about this until I read on the sony page, but that 120 FPS lets you do stacking for noise on static subjects. Pretty cool. As others have mentioned, I suspect the dynamic range might be fine on this camera, but I wonder how the high ISO performance is going to look without a dual gain sensor. If this is truly a sports camera, it needs to be really good at that. That will be the true test of the camera's value IMO.Also just wondering out loud if Sony has shot themselves in the foot with CF Express A as this camera is already going to be pretty limited by that transfer rate. Looks like 1.5 seconds at 120fps (which is still impressive!), but what about a potential A1ii. Is that camera going to only get .75 seconds when you double the MP?
Regards the CFE-A:
A is 20mm x 28mm x 2.8mm.
B is 38.5 x 29.8 x 3.8mm.
That is a lot of extra space required. Advancements in CFE-A tech, or new card with same form factor is more likely IMHO.
Cameras like Canon R5, Nikon Z7 II is has type B and SD slots without being that much bigger than A9III. I believe what Sony ultimately chooses to do in future cameras depends on what customers demand.
I assume the size difference been the Canon R5 and any modern Sony body would be larger if the R5 had 2 Type B slots instead of just the 1.
Dec 12, 2023 at 07:21 AM
p.11 #20Official: Sony A9 III and FE 300mm f/2.8 GM announced
Tony Ross wrote:
Good on Sony for innovating.It’s hundreds, not thousands, and Sony showed a Quick Look at how you do it - you can open a burst, posy back and forth to find the frame or frames you want, tag them, and upload just those. It’s in the announcement video.
It's just three 3 second bursts at 120/fps to get to over 1000 images. Seems like most folks that use this frame rate (sports/wildlife photographers) will be doing this for a couple of hours. That's a LOT of in-camera culling.
gregfountain wrote
I know there are those who need it, but it would drive me nuts having to go through 1000's of images recorded from a few seconds of shooting. Good on Sony for innovating.It's just three 3 second bursts at 120/fps to get to over 1000 images. Seems like most folks that use this frame rate (sports/wildlife photographers) will be doing this for a couple of hours. That's a LOT of in-camera culling.
Dec 12, 2023 at 08:45 AM