p.19 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
j4nu wrote:
Do we need 3 wheels/dials anymore now, that Sony has allowed customization of each one?
I mean, if you're shooting in A/S/P then one wheel is needed for Aperture or Shuttter then the other can control EC.
If you're shooting full Manual, EC doesn't do anything anyway...
TBH, the design differences between A7C II (R) and a6700 are baffling. I'd think it would be easier for everybody for them to operate the same, but now you have to decide if you want a longer grip or an extra dial .
If you're in manual and have ISO set to auto, the exp comp wheel will change the ISO. It's very quick and convenient.
p.19 #2 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
chiron wrote:
If you're in manual and have ISO set to auto, the exp comp wheel will change the ISO. It's very quick and convenient.
Thanks, you're right! I forgot about this use case.
I guess M auto-iso users are out of luck... unless they set the the control wheel as EC, but then they loose ISO wheel (though they probably won't need it in auto-iso but still).
p.19 #3 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
j4nu wrote:
Thanks, you're right! I forgot about this use case.
I guess M auto-iso users are out of luck... unless they set the the control wheel as EC, but then they loose ISO wheel (though they probably won't need it in auto-iso but still).
Yes, that's why I'm unhappy on pro-hybrid, pro-video changes on the a6700. AFAIK, the CII has accommodated to some video functioning without sacrificing its still photography ergonomics.
p.19 #4 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
swldstn wrote:
Still going back and forth on the A7C II or A7CR. As I’ve said before since I already own an A7RV and two A1s I’m not sure I need an A7CR. I’m leaning toward the A7C II where I plan to sell my A7 IV now along side my A7C which is already posted on buy & sell. The new A7C II seems to be an upgrade in every respect for travel shooting. Is everyone chasing the A7CR for it’s resolution? Do you really think it’s needed?
Oddly, I’m inclined to think that for a travel camera the resolution is especially important, because being able to press the button and go into crop mode and still have 26 megapixels is fantastic. It significantly reduces the weight and bulk of your travel kit, because you can leave behind your longest lens which you might use very rarely and maybe allow bigger gaps between your lenses because you can crop down and for all practical purposes have little reduction in IQ.
p.19 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
DavidBM wrote:
Oddly, I’m inclined to think that for a travel camera the resolution is especially important, because being able to press the button and go into crop mode and still have 26 megapixels is fantastic. It significantly reduces the weight and bulk of your travel kit, because you can leave behind your longest lens which you might use very rarely and maybe allow bigger gaps between your lenses because you can crop down and for all practical purposes have little reduction in IQ.
I agree. It's not uncommon for me to be traveling & see something I want to capture, but not have the time/flexibility to analyze composition or change lenses, so I tend to shoot slightly wider than I normally would and know I can rely on cropping to compensate, usually.
And then other times, you're somewhere you've planned on going, you have the perfect lens/conditions, and you want to make sure you get every last detail of the scene, at which time the resolution is nice as well. And if it doesn't work out I got no one to blame but myself.
p.19 #6 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
gocolts wrote:
I agree. It's not uncommon for me to be traveling & see something I want to capture, but not have the time/flexibility to analyze composition or change lenses, so I tend to shoot slightly wider than I normally would and know I can rely on cropping to compensate, usually.
And then other times, you're somewhere you've planned on going, you have the perfect lens/conditions, and you want to make sure you get every last detail of the scene, at which time the resolution is nice as well. And if it doesn't work out I got no one to blame but myself. ...Show more →
I'll third that. If I were going to buy in to the a7CR, I'd probably skip the UWA zoom and just use the Viltrox 16/1.8 as a 16-24 crop-to-zoom. It's certainly got the resolution for the job.
p.19 #7 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
I'll third that. If I were going to buy in to the a7CR, I'd probably skip the UWA zoom and just use the Viltrox 16/1.8 as a 16-24 crop-to-zoom. It's certainly got the resolution for the job.
Yep good plan. I use my gm14 as a 14-21 zoom, and at 21 I’ve still got a fairly high APSC resolution.
p.19 #8 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
DavidBM wrote:
Oddly, I’m inclined to think that for a travel camera the resolution is especially important, because being able to press the button and go into crop mode and still have 26 megapixels is fantastic. It significantly reduces the weight and bulk of your travel kit, because you can leave behind your longest lens which you might use very rarely and maybe allow bigger gaps between your lenses because you can crop down and for all practical purposes have little reduction in IQ.
Good point. I was basing my lack of need for resolution for travel on other factors. Let me think on your suggestion.
Also I never thought of my 14mm becoming a 21mm which is one of my favorite focal length. Thanks.
p.19 #9 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
swldstn wrote:
Good point. I was basing my lack of need for resolution for travel on other factors. Let me think on your suggestion.
Also I never thought of my 14mm becoming a 21mm which is one of my favorite focal length. Thanks.
The a7cR as a small high mp body that’s still reasonably fast has completely changed what a travel body can be IMO. With 26mp in aps-c mode and the ability to have full subject recognition and tracking with clear image zoom means you essentially have three FL’s with any lens, plus more room to crop from 26mp if needed. You can cover so much more with fewer lenses, that Tamron 28-200 suddenly becomes a 600mm after crop mode and CIZ. No need to carry big lenses, heck you can even run small fast aps-c lenses instead of bigger FF lenses if you want. I’m thinking the 11/1.8 as a small fast wide. The options are endless.
p.19 #10 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
cxpics wrote:
While 61mp is definitely overkill for most of my travel snapshots, all of the big prints in my house are landscape shots from traveling. The extra resolution and cropping ability should be really nice to have. Additionally the R enables you to use an apsc lens like the 70-350 while still maintaining 26mp. These benefits seem huge, however if you don't intend to use apsc for reach or don't need the more modern video features I still think the a7c1 is fine and cheap enough that I'd choose it over a7c2.
There is part of me considering grabbing an a7c1 and a6700 and traveling with 2 cams. I get the reach from apsc and benefit from 2 cameras for quick focal length changes. But give up traveling with just 1 body and high FF resolution images. Still leaning towards keeping my a7CR preorder though. ...Show more →
Currently have the A6700 but trying to sell my A7C. If I get an A7C II I will also sell my A7 IV since I have enough cameras with two card slots and great EVF for event work. My reason for leaning toward an A7C II is the improved AF with AI and the 33 Mpixel sensor without a low pass filter and the menu system upgrades to have cameras all with the new system. Then I can take A7C II and A6700 traveling. So it will be the A6700 + A7C II @ $3600 or the A7CR only @ $3000 here in the US.
p.19 #11 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
swldstn wrote:
Currently have the A6700 but trying to sell my A7C. If I get an A7C II I will also sell my A7 IV since I have enough cameras with two card slots and great EVF for event work. My reason for leaning toward an A7C II is the improved AF with AI and the 33 Mpixel sensor without a low pass filter and the menu system upgrades to have cameras all with the new system. Then I can take A7C II and A6700 traveling. So it will be the A6700 + A7C II @ $3600 or the A7CR only @ $3000 here in the US.
So if you buy an A7CR, and not shooting video is there any reason to keep an A6700 since the A7CR gives you 26 Mpixels in crop mode? Assuming you don’t need two cameras to reduce lens swapping.
p.19 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
swldstn wrote:
So if you buy an A7CR, and not shooting video is there any reason to keep an A6700 since the A7CR gives you 26 Mpixels in crop mode? Assuming you don’t need two cameras to reduce lens swapping.
p.19 #14 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Biggest advantage of the A7c(r) cameras is they are full frame, just like my other main cameras allowing my lenses to work the same no matter what camera I use. That to me is a huge benefit. I want my 25mm be 25mm no matter what camera I use.
As far as lack of mechanical shutter, I see no issues with what I shoot during my travels.
p.19 #15 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
chez wrote:
Biggest advantage of the A7c(r) cameras is they are full frame, just like my other man cameras allowing my lenses to work the same no matter what camera I use. That to me is a huge benefit. I want my 25mm be 25mm no matter what camera I use.
As far as lack of mechanical shutter, I see no issues with what I shoot during my travels.
I understand this benefit as well. That is what prompt me to just get the A7C II since I wouldn’t enable the APS-C mode and sell the A6700 if and only if you don’t think you need a full mechanical shutter. I would then also consider selling off my APS-C lenses. For me it’s important to remember that I will still have my full sized A7RV and full framed lenses including the small Sigma I-series and Sony G series for compactness.
From here, another couple of things you lose in comparison to the a7R5 is this camera will not take video in 8k and it has a max shutter speed of 1/4000th of a second as well as a max of 8fps. And while I don't have an official answer from Sony as to why, I'm guessing this camera has a different shutter mechanism in order to fit within the smaller-sized body and this different mechanism will only allow for the 1/4000th shutter speed at 8fps in comparison to the 1/8000th shutter speed and 10fps found on the a7r5.
I guess he doesn't realize that the A7Cr lacks a mechanical shutter?
p.19 #19 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
jaygould wrote:
I guess he doesn't realize that the A7Cr lacks a mechanical shutter?
He's on a number of lists as a top 100 wedding photographer. If you take a look at his website, the work is beautiful. I think he knows his way around a camera.
p.19 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
all this talk about the A7CR and A7Cii not having a mechanical shutter... are for serious?
The camera DOES have a mechanical shutter, just with an electronic first curtain which in real life will pretty much not make any distinguishable difference. I have been shooting with the A7C for more than a year and not once I have felt that images have been affected. It's only on specific bokeh shots that it might be visible.
Not even on the full sized A7 series I would use the full mechanical shutter as it is pretty loud and sounds like optimus prime sneezing.
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