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Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

My question is:
So when you take the new A7C II and A7CR and compare them to the previous A7 IV and A7RV has anyone got a good list of what you gain and what you lose or don’t?

I.e. for the A7C II you lose:
- the second card slot
- use of CFexpress A dual type card slot
- smaller resolution electronic view finder
- micro HDMI port instead of full size
- extra buttons to customize
- loss of 1/8000 shutter speed
- half shutter with only EFCS
- what else? Help me complete this list.

But you gain
- AI chip AF enhancement
- smaller body
- further menu enhancements with improved touch control
- improved IBIS, or is that only on A7CR or both?
- what else? Help me complete this list.

This is the list I want to see for each body to determine why I might buy one to
replace either of the cameras I have for reasons other than size and weight.
That can also be considered when comparing them to the new A6700 which I have added but may want to swap out for one of these.

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Aug 29, 2023 at 12:26 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Sell the a6700, get the a7cR.....

You get a mini RV for pro use, and you still get the good stuff off the a6700, all in one.

I know that's where my thinking is right now.

GMPhotography wrote:
Well it’s other things as well that count. I’m nervous about no mechanical shutter. I shoot a lot of flash/LED light and fluorescent stuff. Not sure if there is a drop off on that. Getting rid of my A7RV is not making sense now.

Sometimes going smaller may not add up

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:26 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I’ll need to toy with a a6700 to see just how small that EVF feels. It looks to be nearly identical to the original A7 in both res and magnification.

Both are video oriented cameras which isn’t surprising. What I am bit surprised about is the LCD, EVF and no additional buttons/ergo improvement on the a7cR vs the a7c2. I was hoping for a tilt rear screen, a better (not great) EVF and one or two more physical buttons. That high MP is a real thing though, and the better IBIS and front wheel are nice. As a travel and MF camera, nice AF is always welcome and higher FPS, but you really need to push modern cameras to feel a difference.

Oh well. No real need to update. Probably get a a7r3 or q2 and keep my a7c

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Aug 29, 2023 at 12:28 PM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I'm really torn as I felt, until today, the R5 was my next camera. The CR is essentially it for less money. If prices drop a bit on the R5 I think (can't say for sure) I'd prefer the more versatile flip screen. For an $900 MSRP difference I can probably live with a less awesome screen and pick up an ND filter to compensate for the lower max shutter speed. We live in cool times as photographers.

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:30 PM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

maestrofilms wrote:
Sell the a6700, get the a7cR.....

You get a mini RV for pro use, and you still get the good stuff off the a6700, all in one.

I know that's where my thinking is right now.

Not bad thinking but I’m making a comparison list since I already own a A7RV and have no plans to sell that because I still want a body for with two card slots, the improved rear display, and excellent EVF.

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:39 PM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

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I'm leaning towards grabbing the R so I can have my 1.5x TC for travel built in, and I'll primarily be using it for as a stills cam. Though I think I'd be very pleased with the Cii for photos too and being cheaper doesn't hurt. That said, I'm starting to get into video and I might let that decide which one to get for me.

So can anyone comment on which camera is more ideal for video all around? I'm aware that both the R and the Cii sensors aren't built for speed and have higher than ideal rolling shutter....Show more →

Video is much better on the cII, the FF options on the R are binned - it shows noticeably less detail and is noisier at higher ISO's. The oversampled crop mode is good on the R, but you take the DR and noise hit from shooting APS-c. And the crop on the cII is also excellent with the same drawbacks.

OTOH, rolling shutter is a bit worse on the cII in FF mode, and better in crop mode compared to the R, but TBH both cameras are only ok when it comes to RS, so IMO its a push.

From a video standpoint, I'd go cII. I shoot a lot of video, that's the one I'm looking at.

Chris

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:56 PM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

chez wrote:
For people who want everything the A7R5 has...just get the A7R5. It really is not that much more. For people who can get by without dual slots, without a fully articulating LCD, without the better viewfinder...you have the A7cr at a reduced price. Choice is always nice.

The a7cr loses way too much (including the above, 8K video and CFe slots) just to save not so much money. a7rV is so much better.

EBH

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:58 PM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Lenstip review is up:
https://www.lenstip.com/index.php?test=obiektywu&test_ob=654

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:59 PM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I am now in dilemma. I have A7RV but I wanted to buy A1 because I want to shoot more BIF and car racing photography but I'm also afraid A1 won't get other new features through firmware upgrades even though it's been the most expensive Sony camera ever either in used or new market.

These newer, cheaper cameras getting good stuffs while other expensive cameras with similar hardware/ sensor or even better hardware are left out, that is making me think twice before dropping huge amount of money even on used A1.

How do you guys think, should I save the $, keep shooting with A7RV and wait for A9iii / A1ii or just get used A1 and hope for new firmware update? Please advice.

Thank you in advance,
obudu

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Aug 29, 2023 at 01:00 PM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

: A1 did not (for some time now) and will not get any major new features in possible(?) future firmware updates.
I think nowadays you really need to need what A1 offers (30 fps, blackout-free viewfinder, faster flash-synch, ...) to choose it over other options.

Aug 29, 2023 at 01:04 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

EB-1 wrote:
The a7cr loses way too much (including the above, 8K video and CFe slots) just to save not so much money. a7rV is so much better.

EBH

The strong appeal for the A7c R is not to save money over the A7r V but the quite a bit lighter and more compact camera. At least, to me. Strictly from the performance point of view, the A7r V wins hands down.

Aug 29, 2023 at 01:11 PM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I think the Gerald Undone videos on new releases tend to be pretty good for video stuff.

cxpics wrote:
I'm leaning towards grabbing the R so I can have my 1.5x TC for travel built in, and I'll primarily be using it for as a stills cam. Though I think I'd be very pleased with the Cii for photos too and being cheaper doesn't hurt. That said, I'm starting to get into video and I might let that decide which one to get for me.

So can anyone comment on which camera is more ideal for video all around? I'm aware that both the R and the Cii sensors aren't built for speed and have higher than ideal rolling shutter....Show more →

Aug 29, 2023 at 01:40 PM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Thanks Sony! Who else has a compact full-frame that’s made “for the rest of us?”

I’ll be putting my A7c up for sale and ordering the A7cII.

Aug 29, 2023 at 01:41 PM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

obudu wrote:
I am now in dilemma. I have A7RV but I wanted to buy A1 because I want to shoot more BIF and car racing photography but I'm also afraid A1 won't get other new features through firmware upgrades even though it's been the most expensive Sony camera ever either in used or new market.

These newer, cheaper cameras getting good stuffs while other expensive cameras with similar hardware/ sensor or even better hardware are left out, that is making me think twice before dropping huge amount of money even on used A1.

How do you guys think, should I save the $,...Show more →

It's really a question of priorities. I have the OG A9, and for a while I was going back and forth between buying a used A1 and the upcoming A9iii for shooting collegiate frisbee, plus lots of other slow-moving stuff. For what I do, ultimate resolution isn't as critical as blackout free shooting.

But I also decided that the "quality of life" features like better AI subject Af, AI white balance (this is not discussed all that much but I spend a lot of time thinking about white balance), and the fully articulating rear screen are more important to me than the ultimate speed + resolution combination in the A1. So unless the upcoming A9iii is going to be missing any of those features OR it comes with a built in grip (ugh... would hate that), I'm holding out on the A9iii, even though MSRP will likely be the same as a pristine condition A1 here on FM B&S.

Aug 29, 2023 at 01:57 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

EB-1 wrote:
The a7cr loses way too much (including the above, 8K video and CFe slots) just to save not so much money. a7rV is so much better.

EBH

It’s only better if one actually uses those features. One feature that is very high on my list is compact size and weight for travel and this is where the A7cr really shines compared to other options.

Aug 29, 2023 at 02:02 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Tempting! Sony releases so many cameras nowadays that it is a tough choice but probably at this point you can't go wrong with any new-ish Sony.

Currently for my next body I'm debating between A7IV / A6700 / A7C II...

Aug 29, 2023 at 02:04 PM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Unless you genuinely need compactness and portability in a FF camera it seems since the A7RV's go for $3100 new in the exchange all the time, there's not much reason to get the A7CR. Seems like an amazing camera for someone with a compact prime lens though.

Aug 29, 2023 at 02:06 PM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

swldstn wrote:
My question is:
So when you take the new A7C II and A7CR and compare them to the previous A7 IV and A7RV has anyone got a good list of what you gain and what you lose or don’t?

I.e. for the A7C II you lose:
- the second card slot
- use of CFexpress A dual type card slot
- smaller resolution electronic view finder
- micro HDMI port instead of full size
- extra buttons to customize
- loss of 1/8000 shutter speed
- half shutter with only EFCS
- what else? Help me complete this list.

But you gain
- AI chip AF enhancement
- smaller...Show more →

Half shutter is a deal breaker unless the sensor is faster than a regular shutter

Aug 29, 2023 at 02:09 PM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

This is all, or nerly all, good news.
I sold my A7c a couple of weeks ago hoping the rumors would be true. I kept my lenses and will by the A7cR.

This camera is more about form factor, size and weight than anything else. Now Sony has added a lot of pixels and features. Nearly perfect for me.
Anyone looking for all the features available has other options. I can partly understand anyone wanting a bigger viewfinder. But asking for two card slots, full mechanical shutter, more buttons, full size HDMI and so on... come on, the C stands for compact, no?

Aug 29, 2023 at 02:22 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Jonas B wrote:
This is all, or nerly all, good news.
I sold my A7c a couple of weeks ago hoping the rumors would be true. I kept my lenses and will by the A7cR.

This camera is more about form factor, size and weight than anything else. Now Sony has added a lot of pixels and features. Nearly perfect for me.
Anyone looking for all the features available has other options. I can partly understand anyone wanting a bigger viewfinder. But asking for two card slots, full mechanical shutter, more buttons, full size HDMI and so on... come on, the C stands for...Show more →

Yes, but carrying ND filters for every lens doesn't seem that compact too

...

Aug 29, 2023 at 02:41 PM

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