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Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Peire wrote:
Too bad A7CR does not have two card slots.

I agree. A single card slot is a dealbreaker for me.

Aug 29, 2023 at 10:31 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Sharif Abdou wrote:
They've addressed my only gripes with the original A7c.

1. Added a front dial
2. Added the stacked mode dial to make switching between photo and video quicker
3. And even increased the magnification on the EVF from 0.59x to 0.70x. Did not expect that.

Awesome.

I hope the EVF will allow the attachment of an eye cup. Love the grip attachment that comes included with the A7cR.

However, the issue of not having a full mechanical shutter persists, and this was another common complaint. With the new cameras, you can choose between a full electronic shutter or EFCS only.

I'm curious about how much the AF of the new A7C II and A7C R is improved in comparison to something very old like the A9 which I still have.

Aug 29, 2023 at 10:35 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Congratulations Sony !

Waiting for the a7CII vs a7IV thread

Aug 29, 2023 at 10:41 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

For people who want everything the A7R5 has...just get the A7R5. It really is not that much more. For people who can get by without dual slots, without a fully articulating LCD, without the better viewfinder...you have the A7cr at a reduced price. Choice is always nice.

Aug 29, 2023 at 10:51 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Sony: Did you see those leaked images of the 300/2.8 GM?
Me: (wiping drool from chin) Oh, yeah. I haven't been this excited about a lens release since the APO-Sonnar 135/2.
Sony: Uh-huh, uh-huh. And how are you liking that a6700?
Me: My adventure buddy? Loving it. It would be nice if the EVF could keep up with the maximum frame rate, so eleven FPS wasn't framed on faith. Also, who decided on the custom button pla...?
Sony: Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did you see the a7CR?
Me: Yeah.
Sony: And?
Me: Looks cool.
Sony: You know it could replace both your brand new adventure buddy and your giant ponderous landscape camera. And you know you're going to want a decent FF for the 300 GM. It won't fit on your Fuji.
Me: That's true.
Sony: So?
Me: Everything looks great. It's just... the EVF.
Sony: We increased the magnification.
Me: That's great. Now it's exactly the same as the 6700. And my rII.
Sony: Exactly. You should be used to it.
Me: Oh, I am, but... This isn't an inexpensive camera. You couldn't have given it the three or five million dot EVF? That would've made everyone happy.
Sony: We increased the magnification. Be happy.
Me: (muttering) Withholding bastards.
Sony: Excuse us?
Me: Nothing. (sighs, hands over bankcard) I'm happy.

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:00 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I do want to see someone good address the efcs and full electronic shutter issues if there are any. I watched most of Mark Galer's review and didn't find it. I guess I'll watch some more reviews. It's tedious though, lol.

Update: There’s a video posted by the Art of Photography and he says the weird bokeh issues are not present with these new releases

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Aug 29, 2023 at 11:01 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

jeffbuzz wrote:
I'm surprised the a7CR isn't getting a better viewfinder. A high res EVF similar to what the other "R" bodies have would make more sense. I guess that will be the upgrade in the a7CR II.

Don’t be too greedy. As a A7RV owner, I’m crying why I didn’t wait a few months for CR. The better viewfinder is only benefit for paying $800 more for RV… sadness

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:04 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

These overall look like really nice cameras, but still a few interesting decisions here, such as the low resolution EVF, single card slot, no full mechanical shutter and low resolution rear screen. None of them are necessarily dealbreakers, but they are things I expect in more budget oriented cameras at the $1500 price point, rather than at $2200 and $3000.

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Aug 29, 2023 at 11:05 AM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

UK Prices:
A7CR 3199*
A7CII 2099*

* black or Silver

A7RV 3999
A7C 1449

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:06 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Jman13 wrote:
These overall look like really nice cameras, but still a few interesting decisions here, such as the low resolution EVF, single card slot, no full mechanical shutter and low resolution rear screen. None of them are necessarily dealbreakers, but they are things I expect in more budget oriented cameras at the $1500 price point, rather than at $2200 and $3000.

I agree those items might be deal-breakers for many shooters and seem underwhelming considering today's tech. However, I think that the additional money they're asking for comes from the research and development needed to make the camera smaller, create special parts, and develop unique software.

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:41 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Explora article and video from B&H Photo

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:45 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Vs the A7RV, we're giving up the 4d screen, viewfinder, 8k recording, better IS, 8fps vs 10 in the R5, 2 card slots, shutter (although I found a reviewer Art of Photograhy who says the bokeh issues do not appear with this solution, but he says it's kind of loud). It does seem like an engineering feat and the msrp is less... Eh... this is a close call.

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Aug 29, 2023 at 11:51 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

So the new extended grip is included with the A7CR and it's an optional accessory for the A7C II.

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:52 AM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I’m thinking that A7RV shooter like me for instance it maybe too much a drop and really no cost savings per se. I paid 3900 if I sell the A7RV for 3400 maybe that’s a 400 dollar net in pocket but for less functionality. Not sure that makes much sense. Sure it’s a thought but really for what. No hump is all I see. Makes sense to me to keep the A7RV but at the same time buying a small 6700 might have been brilliant on my part

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:57 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

All this talk about low quality screens...speaking as an A1 & 99II owner, I use my viewfinder to shoot with & really the lower resolution VF finds the subject just as easily. I understand that the original A7c had pretty poor magnification but these new cameras are better.

Aug 29, 2023 at 11:59 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

mogul wrote:
All this talk about low quality screens...speaking as an A1 & 99II owner, I use my viewfinder to shoot with & really the lower resolution VF finds the subject just as easily. I understand that the original A7c had pretty poor magnification but these new cameras are better.

Manual focus might be the area where it could be tougher with lower resolution VF. I use AF most of the time so I agree, the viewfinder will still find the subject just as easily.

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:01 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

Well it’s other things as well that count. I’m nervous about no mechanical shutter. I shoot a lot of flash/LED light and fluorescent stuff. Not sure if there is a drop off on that. Getting rid of my A7RV is not making sense now.

Sometimes going smaller may not add up

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:04 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I am really glad they made the AC7R, it's a great option. But besides saving 150g, I think for most cases a used A7R4 is more functional at over $1k less used.

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:06 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

GMPhotography wrote:
Well it’s other things as well that count. I’m nervous about no mechanical shutter. I shoot a lot of flash/LED light and fluorescent stuff. Not sure if there is a drop off on that. Getting rid of my A7RV is not making sense now.

Sometimes going smaller may not add up

I think there is a mechanical shutter. Just not a "full mechanical" shutter.

i.e. you can either use full-electronic shutter, with weird high-speed motion effects and lighting banding issues,

OR "electronic front curtain shutter" (EFCS) which is mechanical but with mildly degraded bokeh and potentially weird vignetting effects at high shutter speeds. It's not an issue for flash shooting or indoor LED lighting shooting - strobes still work the same. It's an issue (of sorts) for outdoor natural-light shooting in plenty of light where the shutter speeds go very high.

I hope I've understood correctly. Happy to be corrected.

EDIT: Oh, and I assume the maximum shutter speed on EFCS is still only 1/4000th, rather than 1/8000 on some models' mech shutters, or 1/32000 on stacked sensor electronic models like the a9?

Sony have made a nice overall package of improvements with these new A7C models. I am curious why they don't offer a fully-full-actually-full mechanical shutter, though. On the whole, they're a very good product. Things like the single card slot are, I think, how they ought to be in an A7C - an all-out-size-reduction choice. For full-pro oriented features, get the larger bodies. They've improved the weakest points on the a7C without breaking what makes the A7C what it uniquely is.

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Aug 29, 2023 at 12:24 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II

I'm leaning towards grabbing the R so I can have my 1.5x TC for travel built in, and I'll primarily be using it for as a stills cam. Though I think I'd be very pleased with the Cii for photos too and being cheaper doesn't hurt. That said, I'm starting to get into video and I might let that decide which one to get for me.

So can anyone comment on which camera is more ideal for video all around? I'm aware that both the R and the Cii sensors aren't built for speed and have higher than ideal rolling shutter. But between using Super35 mode or other options I know that can alleviate some of those issues - it sounds like the Cii might be a bit better in the rolling shutter department? or is this something that will be such a small difference it's not worth thinking too much about?

Aug 29, 2023 at 12:25 PM

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