Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
p.17 #1Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Sony firmware feels like the business model of traditional car manufacturers to me. You can see that in cars, even if the exact same hardware are used for years (say Audi MMI), it is nearly impossible to get significant improvements for previous year models once they are released. New features and improvements on the same hardware are limited to new year models only and the manufacturers even intentionally put locks to prevent you to get these improvements yourself..
Sep 01, 2023 at 10:11 AM
p.17 #2Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Some highlights for me with the a7cII vs a7IV
For $300 less we get a significantly smaller body that’s only 5g heavier than the original.
- AI chip with the best AF of any camera available
- Improved IBIS
- The ability to recognize and track subjects with Clear Image Zoom instead of that zone AF blob
- Vastly improved touch functionality with the swipe gestures
- 4k streaming
- The ability to add LUTs to your video monitoring
- A real time lapse movie mode
- The auto framing video mode
- Focus stacking
The EFCS, single card, EVF, micro hdmi and for some the lack of a joystick is a downgrade. Though with Sony’s tracking, the joystick is slower in use. I shot the a7rII professionally for years so single cards don’t bother me either, I replace all my cards every couple years - zero failures - and I almost always have two bodies.
Ditto most of the above for the a7cR at $900 less than the a7rV. Don’t care about the lack of 8k. But 26mp aps-c mode with CIZ is basically a 3x TC with zero IQ degradation. That 70-200 becomes a 210-600 with a button push. Add a 1.4 or 2x TC and you just get insane reach without needing the big whites.
These bodies and the new LR noise reduction/enhance detail have me completely rethinking my kit that’s mostly 2.8 zooms and big primes. I can get identical results with a pretty dramatic weight reduction in my overall kit by swapping to lenses that are one stop slower or even smaller with those tiny G primes. And I can add the grip or a cage and handle for GM’s and such. It’s totally modular to fit your needs.
The only thing remotely close in terms of size and capability is the Leica Q with the fast 28 I wish Sony would make. But the new C’s completely mop the floor with the Leica in so many ways at a fraction of the price.
Chris
For $300 less we get a significantly smaller body that’s only 5g heavier than the original.
- AI chip with the best AF of any camera available
- Improved IBIS
- The ability to recognize and track subjects with Clear Image Zoom instead of that zone AF blob
- Vastly improved touch functionality with the swipe gestures
- 4k streaming
- The ability to add LUTs to your video monitoring
- A real time lapse movie mode
- The auto framing video mode
- Focus stacking
The EFCS, single card, EVF, micro hdmi and for some the lack of a joystick is a downgrade. Though with Sony’s tracking, the joystick is slower in use. I shot the a7rII professionally for years so single cards don’t bother me either, I replace all my cards every couple years - zero failures - and I almost always have two bodies.
Ditto most of the above for the a7cR at $900 less than the a7rV. Don’t care about the lack of 8k. But 26mp aps-c mode with CIZ is basically a 3x TC with zero IQ degradation. That 70-200 becomes a 210-600 with a button push. Add a 1.4 or 2x TC and you just get insane reach without needing the big whites.
These bodies and the new LR noise reduction/enhance detail have me completely rethinking my kit that’s mostly 2.8 zooms and big primes. I can get identical results with a pretty dramatic weight reduction in my overall kit by swapping to lenses that are one stop slower or even smaller with those tiny G primes. And I can add the grip or a cage and handle for GM’s and such. It’s totally modular to fit your needs.
The only thing remotely close in terms of size and capability is the Leica Q with the fast 28 I wish Sony would make. But the new C’s completely mop the floor with the Leica in so many ways at a fraction of the price.
Chris
Sep 01, 2023 at 10:15 AM
p.17 #3Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
joychris wrote:
Though with Sony’s tracking, the joystick is slower in use.
The joystick complements real time tracking. Like you put the AF box where you might need to start AF tracking over and over or when you are waiting for the subject to arrive at that specific spot. Half-press / BBF + recompose works well in most cases, but sometimes moving the box instead is just easier. Joystick is more accurate and less distracting than the touchscreen, too.
Though with Sony’s tracking, the joystick is slower in use.
The joystick complements real time tracking. Like you put the AF box where you might need to start AF tracking over and over or when you are waiting for the subject to arrive at that specific spot. Half-press / BBF + recompose works well in most cases, but sometimes moving the box instead is just easier. Joystick is more accurate and less distracting than the touchscreen, too.
Sep 01, 2023 at 10:27 AM
p.17 #4Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
GMPhotography wrote:
It’s nice to know exactly what you are buying and not buying. That’s all there is too any negative comments.
There is of course something else going on with all of the negative comments. If the point was just to let people know what they are buying and not buying, 10 or 20 comments on the EVF and flip screen would be more than enough. Instead, it goes on for pages. I won't speculate as to why the expounding on the shortcomings ad nauseam.
On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then, we had literally hundreds if not thousands of posts about how a full frame rendering was greatly superior to a cropped frame rendering. Now when discussing the FF cameras vs. cameras like the 6700, no one mentions rendering. I'm not sure why that issue is now consigned to the dust bins of history.
It’s nice to know exactly what you are buying and not buying. That’s all there is too any negative comments.
There is of course something else going on with all of the negative comments. If the point was just to let people know what they are buying and not buying, 10 or 20 comments on the EVF and flip screen would be more than enough. Instead, it goes on for pages. I won't speculate as to why the expounding on the shortcomings ad nauseam.
On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then, we had literally hundreds if not thousands of posts about how a full frame rendering was greatly superior to a cropped frame rendering. Now when discussing the FF cameras vs. cameras like the 6700, no one mentions rendering. I'm not sure why that issue is now consigned to the dust bins of history.
Sep 01, 2023 at 10:32 AM
p.17 #5Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
BoomerNT wrote:
...New features and improvements on the same hardware are limited to new year models only...
Isn't this nomal?
For me FW updates are for bugfixing, and since years, I receive them from Sony too!
If I buy a new camera, I know what it delivers and if I don't like it, I don't buy it.
Expecting new features in old bodies is really strange
...New features and improvements on the same hardware are limited to new year models only...
Isn't this nomal?
For me FW updates are for bugfixing, and since years, I receive them from Sony too!
If I buy a new camera, I know what it delivers and if I don't like it, I don't buy it.
Expecting new features in old bodies is really strange
Sep 01, 2023 at 10:41 AM
p.17 #6Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff Kott wrote:
On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then, we had literally hundreds if not thousands of posts about how a full frame rendering was greatly superior to a cropped frame rendering. Now when discussing the FF cameras vs. cameras like the 6700, no one mentions rendering. I'm not sure why that issue is now consigned to the dust bins of history.
You're touching an interesting point there, I've recently started thinking if I would be happy if I was still shooting APS-C. I'm actually tempted to try the relatively (to its FF cousins) cheap A6700
. Though I have to say the size/weight difference is basically gone compared to A7C, which is something difficult to get over with when I take my old NEX-5R (R didn't mean more resolution back then though 
) in my hand...
On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then, we had literally hundreds if not thousands of posts about how a full frame rendering was greatly superior to a cropped frame rendering. Now when discussing the FF cameras vs. cameras like the 6700, no one mentions rendering. I'm not sure why that issue is now consigned to the dust bins of history.
You're touching an interesting point there, I've recently started thinking if I would be happy if I was still shooting APS-C. I'm actually tempted to try the relatively (to its FF cousins) cheap A6700
. Though I have to say the size/weight difference is basically gone compared to A7C, which is something difficult to get over with when I take my old NEX-5R (R didn't mean more resolution back then though ) in my hand...Sep 01, 2023 at 10:48 AM
p.17 #7Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff Kott wrote:
There is of course something else going on with all of the negative comments. If the point was just to let people know what they are buying and not buying, 10 or 20 comments on the EVF and flip screen would be more than enough. Instead, it goes on for pages. I won't speculate as to why the expounding on the shortcomings ad nauseam.
On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then,...Show more →
Because many don’t care about rendering anymore. Look at the glass of today. It’s as sharp as can be with no flaws that software can’t handle. So it always looks clean. Certainly a change in mindset
We really do not have that older glass around so much. There is so many new type lenses as well
Photography is not what it was when I started 50 years ago. It’s a new reality, be it good or bad
GMPhotography wrote
It’s nice to know exactly what you are buying and not buying. That’s all there is too any negative comments.On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then,...Show more →
Because many don’t care about rendering anymore. Look at the glass of today. It’s as sharp as can be with no flaws that software can’t handle. So it always looks clean. Certainly a change in mindset
We really do not have that older glass around so much. There is so many new type lenses as well
Photography is not what it was when I started 50 years ago. It’s a new reality, be it good or bad
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:00 AM
p.17 #8Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff look at the 6700. Be surprised how well it is .
The 16-55 Sony is as good as any GM lens I’ve seen
The 16-55 Sony is as good as any GM lens I’ve seen
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:02 AM
p.17 #9Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
GMPhotography wrote:
Because many don’t care about rendering anymore.
I'm sure many don't care, but based on comments here when new lenses come out or when commenting on older lenses, many of us certainly do.
As an example, what happens when the Sony 55/1.8 is mentioned in these forums? That lens is compact and sharp edge to edge at all apertures and has great contrast, but every time the 55/1.8 is mentioned several posters will complain about the rendering or say that they don't like the "look." (Which is why I refer to it as the Rodney Dangerfield lens.)
OTOH, what I don't see any more is comments on FF vs. crop frame rendering. Just an observation.
Because many don’t care about rendering anymore.
I'm sure many don't care, but based on comments here when new lenses come out or when commenting on older lenses, many of us certainly do.
As an example, what happens when the Sony 55/1.8 is mentioned in these forums? That lens is compact and sharp edge to edge at all apertures and has great contrast, but every time the 55/1.8 is mentioned several posters will complain about the rendering or say that they don't like the "look." (Which is why I refer to it as the Rodney Dangerfield lens.)
OTOH, what I don't see any more is comments on FF vs. crop frame rendering. Just an observation.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:15 AM
p.17 #10Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
GMPhotography wrote:
Jeff look at the 6700. Be surprised how well it is .
The 16-55 Sony is as good as any GM lens I’ve seen
I have the 6600 and Sony 16-55/2.8. I agree with you - it is a fantastic lens and I may use it in crop mode on my just ordered A7CR.
Jeff look at the 6700. Be surprised how well it is .
The 16-55 Sony is as good as any GM lens I’ve seen
I have the 6600 and Sony 16-55/2.8. I agree with you - it is a fantastic lens and I may use it in crop mode on my just ordered A7CR.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:17 AM
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p.17 #11Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Everything in life is a compromise. It doesn't matter if you're buying photo gear, a house, stereo equipment or going to a restaurant. Depending on your point of view you either can't win or you're happy until the next upgrade.
Besides this forum I also follow an audiophile forum. I've yet to meet a single person on there that's happy with their current system. It's the nature of the game I suppose.
Besides this forum I also follow an audiophile forum. I've yet to meet a single person on there that's happy with their current system. It's the nature of the game I suppose.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:22 AM
p.17 #12Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
BillD208 wrote:
Everything in life is a compromise. It doesn't matter if you're buying photo gear, a house, stereo equipment or going to a restaurant. Depending on your point of view you either can't win or you're happy until the next upgrade.
Besides this forum I also follow an audiophile forum. I've yet to meet a single person on there that's happy with their current system. It's the nature of the game I suppose.
It’s the nature of our society…never happy wanting more…more…more.
Everything in life is a compromise. It doesn't matter if you're buying photo gear, a house, stereo equipment or going to a restaurant. Depending on your point of view you either can't win or you're happy until the next upgrade.
Besides this forum I also follow an audiophile forum. I've yet to meet a single person on there that's happy with their current system. It's the nature of the game I suppose.
It’s the nature of our society…never happy wanting more…more…more.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:26 AM
p.17 #13Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
I assume people are disappointed because the cameras were very close to being to their spec while realizing the original dream of Sony FE mount cameras of being very small and discreet. People on this forum are very torn about these releases because they are pros or enthusiasts who want their tools to be as multi-tool as possible.
Some folks are rationalizing or looking for a way to overcome the limitations of the new releases and others don’t want to suffer the financial hit and hassle of acquiring one only to have to return or resell it. We’re all hedging, testing our assumptions and opinions and trying to reach conclusions. It’s hard to do without having actually shot the cameras for awhile so we’re stuck investigating with specs and by proxies.
I begrudge no one. And Sony hasn’t made this easy.
Jeff Kott wrote:
There is of course something else going on with all of the negative comments. If the point was just to let people know what they are buying and not buying, 10 or 20 comments on the EVF and flip screen would be more than enough. Instead, it goes on for pages. I won't speculate as to why the expounding on the shortcomings ad nauseam.
On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then,...Show more →
Some folks are rationalizing or looking for a way to overcome the limitations of the new releases and others don’t want to suffer the financial hit and hassle of acquiring one only to have to return or resell it. We’re all hedging, testing our assumptions and opinions and trying to reach conclusions. It’s hard to do without having actually shot the cameras for awhile so we’re stuck investigating with specs and by proxies.
I begrudge no one. And Sony hasn’t made this easy.
Jeff Kott wrote:
GMPhotography wrote
It’s nice to know exactly what you are buying and not buying. That’s all there is too any negative comments.On a different note, I have been on these forums (but not super active) for a long time, beginning with when I got a NEX 5N and before the RX1 was released. Way back then,...Show more →
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:31 AM
p.17 #14Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff Kott wrote:
The 16-55 Sony is as good as any GM lens I’ve seenI have the 6600 and Sony 16-55/2.8. I agree with you - it is a fantastic lens and I may use it in crop mode on my just ordered A7CR.
Great idea. I’ll use mine on the A7RV as well . 26mpx is enough for a lot of things.
GMPhotography wrote
Jeff look at the 6700. Be surprised how well it is .The 16-55 Sony is as good as any GM lens I’ve seen
Great idea. I’ll use mine on the A7RV as well . 26mpx is enough for a lot of things.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:47 AM
p.17 #15Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
EVIL_guy wrote:
Isn't this nomal?
For me FW updates are for bugfixing, and since years, I receive them from Sony too!
If I buy a new camera, I know what it delivers and if I don't like it, I don't buy it.
Expecting new features in old bodies is really strange
Your opinion is also very popular among people. I am more from perspective of computers, imagine you switch between DOS, Windows NT 4.0, and Windows 98 on the same computer, or from Windows 7 all the way to Windows 11. On cars, if you drive a Tesla, you can see your whole instrument cluster looked different right after a firmware update.
BoomerNT wrote
...New features and improvements on the same hardware are limited to new year models only...For me FW updates are for bugfixing, and since years, I receive them from Sony too!
If I buy a new camera, I know what it delivers and if I don't like it, I don't buy it.
Expecting new features in old bodies is really strange
Your opinion is also very popular among people. I am more from perspective of computers, imagine you switch between DOS, Windows NT 4.0, and Windows 98 on the same computer, or from Windows 7 all the way to Windows 11. On cars, if you drive a Tesla, you can see your whole instrument cluster looked different right after a firmware update.
Sep 01, 2023 at 11:52 AM
p.17 #16Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
A7CR - 61mpx with IBIS and 500grams!!!
Sony keeps tempting me back. [I tried Sony and did not like it for dust control and cold weather performance and menu and bulb dropping bit rate] Thanks Sony for putting the pressure on Canon for a lightweight high mpx body.
I bought the r8 for backpacking for weight (450grams vs 750grams on R5) but am always irritated by the 24mpx.
Sony continues to be the innovator brand.
Sony keeps tempting me back. [I tried Sony and did not like it for dust control and cold weather performance and menu and bulb dropping bit rate] Thanks Sony for putting the pressure on Canon for a lightweight high mpx body.
I bought the r8 for backpacking for weight (450grams vs 750grams on R5) but am always irritated by the 24mpx.
Sony continues to be the innovator brand.
Sep 01, 2023 at 12:18 PM
p.17 #17Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Justin Stone wrote:
I assume people are disappointed because the cameras were very close to being to their spec while realizing the original dream of Sony FE mount cameras of being very small and discreet.
I dream of a Sony camera large enough to be comfortably held in the human hand. They have been gradually getting closer, but the A7C series cameras are a step backwards.
I assume people are disappointed because the cameras were very close to being to their spec while realizing the original dream of Sony FE mount cameras of being very small and discreet.
I dream of a Sony camera large enough to be comfortably held in the human hand. They have been gradually getting closer, but the A7C series cameras are a step backwards.
Sep 01, 2023 at 12:33 PM
p.17 #18Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
Both are video oriented cameras which isn’t surprising. What I am bit surprised about is the LCD, EVF and no additional buttons/ergo improvement on the a7cR vs the a7c2. I was hoping for a tilt rear screen, a better (not great) EVF and one or two more physical buttons. That high MP is a real thing though, and the better IBIS and front wheel are nice. As a travel and MF camera, nice AF is always welcome and higher FPS, but you really need to push modern cameras to feel a difference.
Oh well. No real need to update. Probably get a a7r3 or q2 and keep my a7cIt is nearly identical. The only visible difference between it and my rII's EVF is I have that one set to mono. That said, it's not terrible. Just disappointing.
As usual, except for the Q2 thing, I like the way you're thinking. I could pick up a used a7c, where the small grip makes it perfect for the wide angle bellows on the Actus, the couple of parts I need to rebuild the Actus, lens plates, including an F-mount plate because, now that I know I have additional IC to use on the Milvus 18 and APO-Sonnar 135, I plan to use it. That would get me back to happy with the ponderous landscape camera. And then an R camera for everything else the 50sII does, like time lapses and ponderous scapes in places where the Actus isn't welcome.
Assuming my GFX sale goes through on Friday, I think this is my plan. Then it comes down to deciding on the R model. The rIII has a sensor I know and love in a body I know and love with an EVF that's equal to what I have with the GFX. Plus it would leave me with money left over. Or I could spend it all and go with the rIV which has a couple million more dots on the EVF. Decisions, decisions.Yes, not terrible, just disappointing. I did hope for a bit better on the a7cR though. Lol--I really liked the Q2 operationally and the lens itself. Honestly, surprised how much I enjoyed using it. Just a stiff asking price. Realistically, I am one of those shooters who gets by well over half the time with a single lens, generally a 28-35mm lens for a majority of my shooting. And I have never been entirely happy with my Sony options (the 35i is my preferred option, but still a bit too big for my liking) or RF options (no AF on the occasions I want it and a modded sensor is needed).
Anyway, the way you're using the Milvus 18 and Sonnar is good. Ponderous landscape cameras are lovely with deliberate pace--still miss my Mamiya 7 with it's 10 photos per frame. Better be careful and sure before those leaf shutters close. Sometimes I cap myself with how many pics I'll take on my digitals just to force myself to be more intelligent when shooting.
I had GFX 50R but I didn't find it worth the hassle over an a7r2 or a7r3 in terms of IQ. Their 100mp MF sensors would be a big enough step up for me to justify it. I love what Hassleblad has done with the X2D + 38v.
In my experience, I don't prefer the a7rIV as the fourth gen. bodies are simply to large and I prefer the 42mp sensor to the 61mp of the r4. Its actually my favorite FF sensor on the market I've shot. To me, the r4's super EVF is really the only attraction. The AF is already worse than the a7c I think. And I don't need great AF. Doesn't sound like you do either.It is, but our disappointment isn't going to stop them from selling a boatload.
I won't mock you for your Qness if you don't mock me for my latest solo lens obsession; the 6700 and the Zony 24/1.8. I forgot how fun that lens can be.
Yeah, there's no change in IQ with the 50MP sensor. I had a question about it being the best way to use the Rodenstock 35/60/100. The answer is; it's a brilliant use of those lenses, it's just not the way I want to use them. Anyway, as of today, I have joined the former GFX owner...Show more →
Haha--throwback to the ol' ZA 24/1.8. Never shot it, but it was awfully beloved in it's day. What would be the way to use those Rodenstock lenses? And don't worry on teasing me about the Q-ness. A little banter is welcome levity and make the otherwise hyper technical (though valuable) content flow better. Besides, you might realize I am on to something Usability and simplicity are so much more appealing to my photographic life than they were even a couple years ago. Also, aside from the annoyance of adapting, did you ever shoot the ZA 135/1.8? What are you thoughts on that vs the 135 APO.
I rarely ever use a tele, and when I do it's compact/light (700 or under). The nature of my shooting (and because I have a bad back) simply doesn't allow for it. So, a deeper grip has no appeal for me. The EVF is big though--I handled an a7sIII a while ago--the EVF was glorious. My god. Feels like being at an OmniMax.
nehemiahphoto wrote
freaklikeme wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I’ll need to toy with a a6700 to see just how small that EVF feels. It looks to be nearly identical to the original A7 in both res and magnification.Both are video oriented cameras which isn’t surprising. What I am bit surprised about is the LCD, EVF and no additional buttons/ergo improvement on the a7cR vs the a7c2. I was hoping for a tilt rear screen, a better (not great) EVF and one or two more physical buttons. That high MP is a real thing though, and the better IBIS and front wheel are nice. As a travel and MF camera, nice AF is always welcome and higher FPS, but you really need to push modern cameras to feel a difference.
Oh well. No real need to update. Probably get a a7r3 or q2 and keep my a7c
As usual, except for the Q2 thing, I like the way you're thinking. I could pick up a used a7c, where the small grip makes it perfect for the wide angle bellows on the Actus, the couple of parts I need to rebuild the Actus, lens plates, including an F-mount plate because, now that I know I have additional IC to use on the Milvus 18 and APO-Sonnar 135, I plan to use it. That would get me back to happy with the ponderous landscape camera. And then an R camera for everything else the 50sII does, like time lapses and ponderous scapes in places where the Actus isn't welcome.
Assuming my GFX sale goes through on Friday, I think this is my plan. Then it comes down to deciding on the R model. The rIII has a sensor I know and love in a body I know and love with an EVF that's equal to what I have with the GFX. Plus it would leave me with money left over. Or I could spend it all and go with the rIV which has a couple million more dots on the EVF. Decisions, decisions.
Anyway, the way you're using the Milvus 18 and Sonnar is good. Ponderous landscape cameras are lovely with deliberate pace--still miss my Mamiya 7 with it's 10 photos per frame. Better be careful and sure before those leaf shutters close. Sometimes I cap myself with how many pics I'll take on my digitals just to force myself to be more intelligent when shooting.
I had GFX 50R but I didn't find it worth the hassle over an a7r2 or a7r3 in terms of IQ. Their 100mp MF sensors would be a big enough step up for me to justify it. I love what Hassleblad has done with the X2D + 38v.
In my experience, I don't prefer the a7rIV as the fourth gen. bodies are simply to large and I prefer the 42mp sensor to the 61mp of the r4. Its actually my favorite FF sensor on the market I've shot. To me, the r4's super EVF is really the only attraction. The AF is already worse than the a7c I think. And I don't need great AF. Doesn't sound like you do either.
I won't mock you for your Qness if you don't mock me for my latest solo lens obsession; the 6700 and the Zony 24/1.8. I forgot how fun that lens can be.
Yeah, there's no change in IQ with the 50MP sensor. I had a question about it being the best way to use the Rodenstock 35/60/100. The answer is; it's a brilliant use of those lenses, it's just not the way I want to use them. Anyway, as of today, I have joined the former GFX owner...Show more →
Haha--throwback to the ol' ZA 24/1.8. Never shot it, but it was awfully beloved in it's day. What would be the way to use those Rodenstock lenses? And don't worry on teasing me about the Q-ness. A little banter is welcome levity and make the otherwise hyper technical (though valuable) content flow better. Besides, you might realize I am on to something
Usability and simplicity are so much more appealing to my photographic life than they were even a couple years ago. Also, aside from the annoyance of adapting, did you ever shoot the ZA 135/1.8? What are you thoughts on that vs the 135 APO.I rarely ever use a tele, and when I do it's compact/light (700 or under). The nature of my shooting (and because I have a bad back) simply doesn't allow for it. So, a deeper grip has no appeal for me. The EVF is big though--I handled an a7sIII a while ago--the EVF was glorious. My god. Feels like being at an OmniMax.
Sep 01, 2023 at 01:27 PM
p.17 #19Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
EVIL_guy wrote:
Isn't this nomal?
For me FW updates are for bugfixing, and since years, I receive them from Sony too!
If I buy a new camera, I know what it delivers and if I don't like it, I don't buy it.
Expecting new features in old bodies is really strange
It may be normal in the camera world, but look at phones and how those are maintained for a decade. Truth be told, the phone manufacturers don't do that from the good of hearts either. In order to maintain revenue they keep having to come up with hardware improvements, which is expensive for them. But for customers this is very nice. And in this day of needing to preserve resources, improving customer satisfaction without wasting additional hardware should be the obvious direction for everyone.
BoomerNT wrote
...New features and improvements on the same hardware are limited to new year models only...For me FW updates are for bugfixing, and since years, I receive them from Sony too!
If I buy a new camera, I know what it delivers and if I don't like it, I don't buy it.
Expecting new features in old bodies is really strange
It may be normal in the camera world, but look at phones and how those are maintained for a decade. Truth be told, the phone manufacturers don't do that from the good of hearts either. In order to maintain revenue they keep having to come up with hardware improvements, which is expensive for them. But for customers this is very nice. And in this day of needing to preserve resources, improving customer satisfaction without wasting additional hardware should be the obvious direction for everyone.
Sep 01, 2023 at 06:03 PM
p.17 #20Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Your dreams can come true with a grip. We can’t shave a hump and grams off our a7 and a9 style bodies. But you’re right, the a7 bodies keep getting bigger.
molson wrote:
I dream of a Sony camera large enough to be comfortably held in the human hand. They have been gradually getting closer, but the A7C series cameras are a step backwards.
molson wrote:
Justin Stone wrote
I assume people are disappointed because the cameras were very close to being to their spec while realizing the original dream of Sony FE mount cameras of being very small and discreet.Sep 01, 2023 at 06:11 PM