p.16 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
mojoh wrote:
They did.
Its the same guy who designed the A7R5.
And if he is tasked to fix the 'complaints' of the A7CR, he'd end up with an A7R5, again.
That's how good their UX designer is.
Jus kidding..
I've had the A7R5 since day one, and lots of A-bodies before that. I still think there is plenty of room for very obvious improvement in design and usability, as well as overall Sony customer-centricity (think FW support, esp for flagship products like A1). It would be so easy for them to take this platform to the next level, like they have done with the lenses.
p.16 #4 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Yes, not terrible, just disappointing. I did hope for a bit better on the a7cR though. Lol--I really liked the Q2 operationally and the lens itself. Honestly, surprised how much I enjoyed using it. Just a stiff asking price. Realistically, I am one of those shooters who gets by well over half the time with a single lens, generally a 28-35mm lens for a majority of my shooting. And I have never been entirely happy with my Sony options (the 35i is my preferred option, but still a bit too big for my liking) or RF options (no AF on the occasions I want it and a modded sensor is needed).
Anyway, the way you're using the Milvus 18 and Sonnar is good. Ponderous landscape cameras are lovely with deliberate pace--still miss my Mamiya 7 with it's 10 photos per frame. Better be careful and sure before those leaf shutters close. Sometimes I cap myself with how many pics I'll take on my digitals just to force myself to be more intelligent when shooting.
I had GFX 50R but I didn't find it worth the hassle over an a7r2 or a7r3 in terms of IQ. Their 100mp MF sensors would be a big enough step up for me to justify it. I love what Hassleblad has done with the X2D + 38v.
In my experience, I don't prefer the a7rIV as the fourth gen. bodies are simply to large and I prefer the 42mp sensor to the 61mp of the r4. Its actually my favorite FF sensor on the market I've shot. To me, the r4's super EVF is really the only attraction. The AF is already worse than the a7c I think. And I don't need great AF. Doesn't sound like you do either....Show more →
It is, but our disappointment isn't going to stop them from selling a boatload.
I won't mock you for your Qness if you don't mock me for my latest solo lens obsession; the 6700 and the Zony 24/1.8. I forgot how fun that lens can be.
Yeah, there's no change in IQ with the 50MP sensor. I had a question about it being the best way to use the Rodenstock 35/60/100. The answer is; it's a brilliant use of those lenses, it's just not the way I want to use them. Anyway, as of today, I have joined the former GFX owner club. My coworker was able to complete the sale of his Leica gear early, so he walked in ready to finish the deal. And I turned around and sent a small portion of those funds to our video editing manager to acquire her low-mileage a7c, because our office is nothing if not a camera swap meet. And the necessary Actus parts will hopefully ship early next week.
You're right, I don't need the best AF, since that's what the 6700 is for. I got to handle an rIII and rIVa side-by-side today and, if I were forced to choose now, I'd probably go for the rIV because the grip's a lot more comfortable with teles and superteles and I can reliably focus the APO-Sonnar wide open from MFD to about sixty feet without relying on magnification, which is something I can't do with the rIII. Fortunately, there's no rush. I can probably put it off until the 300/2.8 GM ship date gets closer. The only thing decided for now is to go with the "a" version of one of them, because the improved LCD will come in handy for macro.
p.16 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
joychris wrote:
Just watch a couple of Pierre T Lamberts street photo videos, he uses the a7IV almost exclusively. Nothing you bring up is an actual issue in use. You just tweak the way you work a bit. You’re seriously overthinking it. It’s far better for any low or high angle shot because you’re not limited by the more restrictive tilt only angle.
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not see it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see a different screen on the C line so it’s this or look elsewhere.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
Funny you bring him up because he is not buying one. So for him, "Perfect" it is not. That said it may be perfect for you! Which in that case I'm happy for you. The point of a compact camera to me is; well for it to be compact. Having to flip out a screen to the side and rotate it doubles the size of the camera. Which kinda defeats the purpose. With the RV screen you can do anything and please everyone. It would have been a much smarter choice for a "C" (compact) camera. But it cost probably another 3 dollars to make. So, to your point. Some of us will pass and wait for version 3.
p.16 #6 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
LBJ2 wrote:
For Sony lenses, I'm currently hooked on the faster, "smallish" GM primes and would go for one of those to match with the A7c R plus grip. The G-Trio is however, what I feel ia a much better compact/size and balanced fit for the small A7c cameras. From what I've read recently, many are very happy with G-Trio IQ.
I also enjoy using GM prime lenses, and they should work nicely on the A7CR camera with the grip. I just bought a 40mm f/2.5 G lens here on FM and I'm excited to test it out. Shooting with a 40mm focal length is something I really like!
p.16 #7 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Funny you bring him up because he is not buying one. So for him, "Perfect" it is not. That said it may be perfect for you! Which in that case I'm happy for you. The point of a compact camera to me is; well for it to be compact. Having to flip out a screen to the side and rotate it doubles the size of the camera. Which kinda defeats the purpose. With the RV screen you can do anything and please everyone. It would have been a much smarter choice for a "C" (compact) camera. But it cost probably another 3 dollars to make. So, to your point. Some of us will pass and wait for version 3....Show more →
Yes he wants dual cards and other things on the bigger bodies, plus he already has the a1, a7IV and a7sIII- for what he does those are all better options and he doesn’t want to spend the cash on another camera. But that doesn’t change the fact a flip screen doesn’t hinder street shooting in any way. For many of us it makes it a lot easier. These made up catastrophe scenarios are just hilarious from people that don’t want it. If it’s a dealbreaker, I don’t know why there’s so much teeth gnashing over the hard points that aren’t going to change before the camera ships. Sony doesn’t waver from the way they design their segments. How long have people - myself included - asked for an aps-c camera in the a7 body? SAR has been teasing a mythical a7000 for a decade. Crickets. Sony execs have said over and over they’re keeping crop cameras compact. It’s never going to happen. They said in the release of the new C’s the a7c and ZV series have been huge sellers so they’re going hard at the compact FF segment. Version 3 will not change much and the cycle of these complaints will repeat. Good luck.
p.16 #8 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
joychris wrote:
Yes he wants dual cards and other things on the bigger bodies, plus he already has the a1, a7IV and a7sIII- for what he does those are all better options and he doesn’t want to spend the cash on another camera. But that doesn’t change the fact a flip screen doesn’t hinder street shooting in any way. For many of us it makes it a lot easier. These made up catastrophe scenarios are just hilarious from people that don’t want it. If it’s a dealbreaker, I don’t know why there’s so much teeth gnashing over the hard points that aren’t going to change before the camera ships. Sony doesn’t waver from the way they design their segments. How long have people - myself included - asked for an aps-c camera in the a7 body? SAR has been teasing a mythical a7000 for a decade. Crickets. Sony execs have said over and over they’re keeping crop cameras compact. It’s never going to happen. They said in the release of the new C’s the a7c and ZV series have been huge sellers so they’re going hard at the compact FF segment. Version 3 will not change much and the cycle of these complaints will repeat. Good luck.
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There are real world disadvantages to a flip out for photography. They are not made up despite what you think. Again if it works for you and your style, great. Doesn't change the fact it doesn't meet others needs.
p.16 #9 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
I have the A7RV myself and no question there is a chance compared to other cams to just snag that screen on something and rip it off. That goes with just about anything. Can’t think about that happening just be aware of it. It’s actually a nice feature set. I like it
p.16 #10 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
nhsonyshooter wrote:
There are real world disadvantages to a flip out for photography. They are not made up despite what you think. Again if it works for you and your style, great. Doesn't change the fact it doesn't meet others needs.
Sure, use what works for you. I don’t agree with the disadvantages thing, it’s all good for me and obviously many others. If you want this camera and don’t like some of the spec, you just have to live with compromises. If you don’t like it that much, just use something else and ignore this camera. Every new release is just endless complaints and negativity.
p.16 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
I've been a Sony user since the A7. I've always felt like some of my favorite work has been with smaller bodies. More discrete and less intrusive. From the RX1 series to the Q and the A7C. I used the 7C as a backup on big paid jobs and always enjoyed the body. I can achieve the same look from it as my A1 & RV. Now that we have the A7CR & Cii, I can't be more excited about it. It is not an actual pro body, but I know that I can match the same look. I can take it and the smaller G lens into places where normally people would feel uncomfortable with my larger body.
It's hard to wrap my head around people being upset that a tiny body like this has shortcomings. It has AI AF, incredible raw files, lens selections for days, 10bit video, and all in a package almost the same size as a 12oz aluminum can.
p.16 #13 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
DFason wrote:
I've been a Sony user since the A7. I've always felt like some of my favorite work has been with smaller bodies. More discrete and less intrusive. From the RX1 series to the Q and the A7C. I used the 7C as a backup on big paid jobs and always enjoyed the body. I can achieve the same look from it as my A1 & RV. Now that we have the A7CR & Cii, I can't be more excited about it. It is not an actual pro body, but I know that I can match the same look. I can take it and the smaller G lens into places where normally people would feel uncomfortable with my larger body.
It's hard to wrap my head around people being upset that a tiny body like this has shortcomings. It has AI AF, incredible raw files, lens selections for days, 10bit video, and all in a package almost the same size as a 12oz aluminum can.
100% agree. Smaller cameras and lenses are far more disarming and much easier to be discreet.
Imagine if Sony dropped a third a7c with the a1’s sensor, priced at like $4900 or so, with the rest of the current specs. Heads would explode ! Side note, what a rad camera that would be. 👍
p.16 #14 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
From what I've seen the A7Cii seems to have the better low light capabilities, but would that also apply for dynamic range? or would the R take the lean in that sense?
I've just travelled for two months with an A7C and the Tamron 20-40/2.8. Fantastic size/weight balance between camera and lens (I use a thumb grip and it makes a world of a difference in that regard), it covers pretty much every situation I usually face, 2.8 being good enough for low light.
So I'm pretty happy with the A7C. The higher res, the better high iso performance, better evf and the front dial
and extra custom button will be most welcome improvements though.
Lots of people complaining about the EVF, of course I wish it was better, bigger, sharper, even hybrid, ffs (loved the one on the Fujifilm X100 series, had all versions up to the F) but it is good enough, considering the overall package, I was worried it would be a deal breaker from reading that many negative reviews about it before getting the A7C in my hands, and it was just... fine, really. I may have the blessing of low standards, perhaps.
p.16 #17 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
marcelography wrote:
I was worried it would be a deal breaker from reading that many negative reviews about it before getting the A7C in my hands, and it was just... fine, really. I may have the blessing of low standards, perhaps.
Or maybe you are just a photographer that can use whatever gear is in your hands to produce great photos.
p.16 #18 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
marcelography wrote:
From what I've seen the A7Cii seems to have the better low light capabilities, but would that also apply for dynamic range? or would the R take the lean in that sense?
p.16 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff Kott wrote:
It’s nice to see some positive posts finally.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
Here is my positive view of the A7cr:
Amazing AF coupled with an amazing sensor packaged into a nice easy to carry body along with a couple of nice compact primes is travel photography heaven.😁
! Side note, what a rad camera that would be. 👍