Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
p.16 #1Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
mojoh wrote:
They did.
Its the same guy who designed the A7R5.
And if he is tasked to fix the 'complaints' of the A7CR, he'd end up with an A7R5, again.
That's how good their UX designer is.
Jus kidding..
I've had the A7R5 since day one, and lots of A-bodies before that. I still think there is plenty of room for very obvious improvement in design and usability, as well as overall Sony customer-centricity (think FW support, esp for flagship products like A1). It would be so easy for them to take this platform to the next level, like they have done with the lenses.
patotts wrote
I do wish they would hire a real US designer who could influence the choice of EVF, screen, exact button placements, refine the menu, etc. It seems so trivial and obvious...Its the same guy who designed the A7R5.
And if he is tasked to fix the 'complaints' of the A7CR, he'd end up with an A7R5, again.
That's how good their UX designer is.
Jus kidding..
I've had the A7R5 since day one, and lots of A-bodies before that. I still think there is plenty of room for very obvious improvement in design and usability, as well as overall Sony customer-centricity (think FW support, esp for flagship products like A1). It would be so easy for them to take this platform to the next level, like they have done with the lenses.
Aug 31, 2023 at 06:11 PM
p.16 #3Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
joychris wrote:
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
Chris
Perfect for you perhaps, if yes, hope you enjoy it a lot.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
Chris
Perfect for you perhaps, if yes, hope you enjoy it a lot.
Aug 31, 2023 at 07:44 PM
p.16 #4Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Both are video oriented cameras which isn’t surprising. What I am bit surprised about is the LCD, EVF and no additional buttons/ergo improvement on the a7cR vs the a7c2. I was hoping for a tilt rear screen, a better (not great) EVF and one or two more physical buttons. That high MP is a real thing though, and the better IBIS and front wheel are nice. As a travel and MF camera, nice AF is always welcome and higher FPS, but you really need to push modern cameras to feel a difference.
Oh well. No real need to update. Probably get a a7r3 or q2 and keep my a7cIt is nearly identical. The only visible difference between it and my rII's EVF is I have that one set to mono. That said, it's not terrible. Just disappointing.
As usual, except for the Q2 thing, I like the way you're thinking. I could pick up a used a7c, where the small grip makes it perfect for the wide angle bellows on the Actus, the couple of parts I need to rebuild the Actus, lens plates, including an F-mount plate because, now that I know I have additional IC to use on the Milvus 18 and APO-Sonnar 135, I plan to use it. That would get me back to happy with the ponderous landscape camera. And then an R camera for everything else the 50sII does, like time lapses and ponderous scapes in places where the Actus isn't welcome.
Assuming my GFX sale goes through on Friday, I think this is my plan. Then it comes down to deciding on the R model. The rIII has a sensor I know and love in a body I know and love with an EVF that's equal to what I have with the GFX. Plus it would leave me with money left over. Or I could spend it all and go with the rIV which has a couple million more dots on the EVF. Decisions, decisions.Yes, not terrible, just disappointing. I did hope for a bit better on the a7cR though. Lol--I really liked the Q2 operationally and the lens itself. Honestly, surprised how much I enjoyed using it. Just a stiff asking price. Realistically, I am one of those shooters who gets by well over half the time with a single lens, generally a 28-35mm lens for a majority of my shooting. And I have never been entirely happy with my Sony options (the 35i is my preferred option, but still a bit too big for my liking) or RF options (no AF on...Show more →
It is, but our disappointment isn't going to stop them from selling a boatload.
I won't mock you for your Qness if you don't mock me for my latest solo lens obsession; the 6700 and the Zony 24/1.8. I forgot how fun that lens can be.
Yeah, there's no change in IQ with the 50MP sensor. I had a question about it being the best way to use the Rodenstock 35/60/100. The answer is; it's a brilliant use of those lenses, it's just not the way I want to use them. Anyway, as of today, I have joined the former GFX owner club. My coworker was able to complete the sale of his Leica gear early, so he walked in ready to finish the deal. And I turned around and sent a small portion of those funds to our video editing manager to acquire her low-mileage a7c, because our office is nothing if not a camera swap meet. And the necessary Actus parts will hopefully ship early next week.
You're right, I don't need the best AF, since that's what the 6700 is for. I got to handle an rIII and rIVa side-by-side today and, if I were forced to choose now, I'd probably go for the rIV because the grip's a lot more comfortable with teles and superteles and I can reliably focus the APO-Sonnar wide open from MFD to about sixty feet without relying on magnification, which is something I can't do with the rIII. Fortunately, there's no rush. I can probably put it off until the 300/2.8 GM ship date gets closer. The only thing decided for now is to go with the "a" version of one of them, because the improved LCD will come in handy for macro.
freaklikeme wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I’ll need to toy with a a6700 to see just how small that EVF feels. It looks to be nearly identical to the original A7 in both res and magnification.Both are video oriented cameras which isn’t surprising. What I am bit surprised about is the LCD, EVF and no additional buttons/ergo improvement on the a7cR vs the a7c2. I was hoping for a tilt rear screen, a better (not great) EVF and one or two more physical buttons. That high MP is a real thing though, and the better IBIS and front wheel are nice. As a travel and MF camera, nice AF is always welcome and higher FPS, but you really need to push modern cameras to feel a difference.
Oh well. No real need to update. Probably get a a7r3 or q2 and keep my a7c
As usual, except for the Q2 thing, I like the way you're thinking. I could pick up a used a7c, where the small grip makes it perfect for the wide angle bellows on the Actus, the couple of parts I need to rebuild the Actus, lens plates, including an F-mount plate because, now that I know I have additional IC to use on the Milvus 18 and APO-Sonnar 135, I plan to use it. That would get me back to happy with the ponderous landscape camera. And then an R camera for everything else the 50sII does, like time lapses and ponderous scapes in places where the Actus isn't welcome.
Assuming my GFX sale goes through on Friday, I think this is my plan. Then it comes down to deciding on the R model. The rIII has a sensor I know and love in a body I know and love with an EVF that's equal to what I have with the GFX. Plus it would leave me with money left over. Or I could spend it all and go with the rIV which has a couple million more dots on the EVF. Decisions, decisions.
It is, but our disappointment isn't going to stop them from selling a boatload.
I won't mock you for your Qness if you don't mock me for my latest solo lens obsession; the 6700 and the Zony 24/1.8. I forgot how fun that lens can be.
Yeah, there's no change in IQ with the 50MP sensor. I had a question about it being the best way to use the Rodenstock 35/60/100. The answer is; it's a brilliant use of those lenses, it's just not the way I want to use them. Anyway, as of today, I have joined the former GFX owner club. My coworker was able to complete the sale of his Leica gear early, so he walked in ready to finish the deal. And I turned around and sent a small portion of those funds to our video editing manager to acquire her low-mileage a7c, because our office is nothing if not a camera swap meet. And the necessary Actus parts will hopefully ship early next week.
You're right, I don't need the best AF, since that's what the 6700 is for. I got to handle an rIII and rIVa side-by-side today and, if I were forced to choose now, I'd probably go for the rIV because the grip's a lot more comfortable with teles and superteles and I can reliably focus the APO-Sonnar wide open from MFD to about sixty feet without relying on magnification, which is something I can't do with the rIII. Fortunately, there's no rush. I can probably put it off until the 300/2.8 GM ship date gets closer. The only thing decided for now is to go with the "a" version of one of them, because the improved LCD will come in handy for macro.
Aug 31, 2023 at 08:33 PM
p.16 #5Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
joychris wrote:
First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers )
Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"Just watch a couple of Pierre T Lamberts street photo videos, he uses the a7IV almost exclusively. Nothing you bring up is an actual issue in use. You just tweak the way you work a bit. You’re seriously overthinking it. It’s far better for any low or high angle shot because you’re not limited by the more restrictive tilt only angle.
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not...Show more →
Funny you bring him up because he is not buying one. So for him, "Perfect" it is not. That said it may be perfect for you! Which in that case I'm happy for you. The point of a compact camera to me is; well for it to be compact. Having to flip out a screen to the side and rotate it doubles the size of the camera. Which kinda defeats the purpose. With the RV screen you can do anything and please everyone. It would have been a much smarter choice for a "C" (compact) camera. But it cost probably another 3 dollars to make. So, to your point. Some of us will pass and wait for version 3.
FMTopFan wrote
Does anyone have suggestions on how to deal with the flip out screen of the A7cR?First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers
) Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not...Show more →
Funny you bring him up because he is not buying one. So for him, "Perfect" it is not. That said it may be perfect for you! Which in that case I'm happy for you. The point of a compact camera to me is; well for it to be compact. Having to flip out a screen to the side and rotate it doubles the size of the camera. Which kinda defeats the purpose. With the RV screen you can do anything and please everyone. It would have been a much smarter choice for a "C" (compact) camera. But it cost probably another 3 dollars to make. So, to your point. Some of us will pass and wait for version 3.
Aug 31, 2023 at 08:41 PM
p.16 #6Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
LBJ2 wrote:
For people and AF, Sony 55/1.8 and 85/1.8. Will manual focus Leica 50 and 90 Cron.
Also, Pentax 77/1.8, 70/2.4, 43/1.9 and 40/2.8 with Monster adapter.
All of these lenses resolve well on my A6600 which has similar pixel density and work fine with almost no vignetting on my A7Riii.Interesting. I've never considered/adapted Pentax lenses before. Will have to check that out. I still have the Sony FE/Zeiss 55 F1.8--maybe a sleeper lens in 2023, but still an IQ performer with a recognizable "look" IMOWhy do you seem to dislike the compact G-trio? I haven't tried them yet, but they appear to be really good optically. If you're looking for a full-frame compact lens with AF that maintains high image quality without too many trade-offs, these lenses might not be very fast.Here comes the pile -on, again 😎 Just my opinion of course.Sorry, I didn't realize this was a controversial subject. I was thinking about the 40mm lens and was curious about your dislike for it, as I really value your opinion.For Sony lenses, I'm currently hooked on the faster, "smallish" GM primes and would go for one of those to match with the A7c R plus grip. The G-Trio is however, what I feel ia a much better compact/size and balanced fit for the small A7c cameras. From what I've read recently, many are very happy with G-Trio IQ.
I also enjoy using GM prime lenses, and they should work nicely on the A7CR camera with the grip. I just bought a 40mm f/2.5 G lens here on FM and I'm excited to test it out. Shooting with a 40mm focal length is something I really like!
Fred Miranda wrote
LBJ2 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
LBJ2 wrote
Jeff Kott wrote
For landscape,Voigtlander 50/2 APO and Leica 90/4 Macro Planar.For people and AF, Sony 55/1.8 and 85/1.8. Will manual focus Leica 50 and 90 Cron.
Also, Pentax 77/1.8, 70/2.4, 43/1.9 and 40/2.8 with Monster adapter.
All of these lenses resolve well on my A6600 which has similar pixel density and work fine with almost no vignetting on my A7Riii.
I was thinking about the 40mm lens and was curious about your dislike for it, as I really value your opinion.I also enjoy using GM prime lenses, and they should work nicely on the A7CR camera with the grip. I just bought a 40mm f/2.5 G lens here on FM and I'm excited to test it out. Shooting with a 40mm focal length is something I really like!
Aug 31, 2023 at 09:38 PM
p.16 #7Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
nhsonyshooter wrote:
First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers )
Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"Just watch a couple of Pierre T Lamberts street photo videos, he uses the a7IV almost exclusively. Nothing you bring up is an actual issue in use. You just tweak the way you work a bit. You’re seriously overthinking it. It’s far better for any low or high angle shot because you’re not limited by the more restrictive tilt only angle.
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not see it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see a different screen on the C line so it’s this or look elsewhere.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
ChrisFunny you bring him up because he is not buying one. So for him, "Perfect" it is not. That said it may be perfect for you! Which in that case I'm happy for you. The point of a compact camera to me is; well for it to be compact. Having to flip out a screen to the side and rotate it doubles the size of the camera. Which kinda defeats the purpose. With the RV screen you can do anything and please everyone. It would have been a much smarter choice for a "C" (compact) camera. But it cost probably...Show more →
Yes he wants dual cards and other things on the bigger bodies, plus he already has the a1, a7IV and a7sIII- for what he does those are all better options and he doesn’t want to spend the cash on another camera. But that doesn’t change the fact a flip screen doesn’t hinder street shooting in any way. For many of us it makes it a lot easier. These made up catastrophe scenarios are just hilarious from people that don’t want it. If it’s a dealbreaker, I don’t know why there’s so much teeth gnashing over the hard points that aren’t going to change before the camera ships. Sony doesn’t waver from the way they design their segments. How long have people - myself included - asked for an aps-c camera in the a7 body? SAR has been teasing a mythical a7000 for a decade. Crickets. Sony execs have said over and over they’re keeping crop cameras compact. It’s never going to happen. They said in the release of the new C’s the a7c and ZV series have been huge sellers so they’re going hard at the compact FF segment. Version 3 will not change much and the cycle of these complaints will repeat. Good luck.
Chris
joychris wrote
FMTopFan wrote
Does anyone have suggestions on how to deal with the flip out screen of the A7cR?First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers
) Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not see it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see a different screen on the C line so it’s this or look elsewhere.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
Chris
Yes he wants dual cards and other things on the bigger bodies, plus he already has the a1, a7IV and a7sIII- for what he does those are all better options and he doesn’t want to spend the cash on another camera. But that doesn’t change the fact a flip screen doesn’t hinder street shooting in any way. For many of us it makes it a lot easier. These made up catastrophe scenarios are just hilarious from people that don’t want it. If it’s a dealbreaker, I don’t know why there’s so much teeth gnashing over the hard points that aren’t going to change before the camera ships. Sony doesn’t waver from the way they design their segments. How long have people - myself included - asked for an aps-c camera in the a7 body? SAR has been teasing a mythical a7000 for a decade. Crickets. Sony execs have said over and over they’re keeping crop cameras compact. It’s never going to happen. They said in the release of the new C’s the a7c and ZV series have been huge sellers so they’re going hard at the compact FF segment. Version 3 will not change much and the cycle of these complaints will repeat. Good luck.
Chris
Sep 01, 2023 at 05:03 AM
p.16 #8Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
joychris wrote:
nhsonyshooter wrote
joychris wrote
FMTopFan wrote
Does anyone have suggestions on how to deal with the flip out screen of the A7cR?First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers
) Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not see it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see a different screen on the C line so it’s this or look elsewhere.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
Chris
There are real world disadvantages to a flip out for photography. They are not made up despite what you think. Again if it works for you and your style, great. Doesn't change the fact it doesn't meet others needs.
Sep 01, 2023 at 05:50 AM
p.16 #9Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
I have the A7RV myself and no question there is a chance compared to other cams to just snag that screen on something and rip it off. That goes with just about anything. Can’t think about that happening just be aware of it. It’s actually a nice feature set. I like it
Sep 01, 2023 at 06:10 AM
p.16 #10Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
nhsonyshooter wrote:
First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers )
Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@@@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"Just watch a couple of Pierre T Lamberts street photo videos, he uses the a7IV almost exclusively. Nothing you bring up is an actual issue in use. You just tweak the way you work a bit. You’re seriously overthinking it. It’s far better for any low or high angle shot because you’re not limited by the more restrictive tilt only angle.
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not see it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see a different screen on the C line so it’s this or look elsewhere.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
ChrisFunny you bring him up because he is not buying one. So for him, "Perfect" it is not. That said it may be perfect for you! Which in that case I'm happy for you. The point of a compact camera to me is; well for it to be compact. Having to flip out a screen to the side and rotate it doubles the size of the camera. Which kinda defeats the purpose. With the RV screen you can do anything and please everyone. It would have been a much smarter choice for a "C" (compact) camera. But it cost probably another 3 dollars to make. So, to your point. Some of us will pass and wait for version 3.Yes he wants dual cards and other things on the bigger bodies, plus he already has the a1, a7IV and a7sIII- for what he does those are all better options and he doesn’t want to spend the cash on another camera. But that doesn’t change the fact a flip screen doesn’t hinder street shooting in any way. For many of us it makes it a lot easier. These made up catastrophe scenarios are just hilarious from people that don’t want it. If it’s a dealbreaker, I don’t know why there’s so much teeth gnashing over the hard points that aren’t going to change before the camera ships. Sony doesn’t waver from the way they design their segments. How long have people - myself included - asked for an aps-c camera in the a7 body? SAR has been teasing a mythical a7000 for a decade. Crickets. Sony execs have said over and over they’re keeping crop cameras compact. It’s never going to happen. They said in the release of the new C’s the a7c and ZV series have been huge sellers so they’re going hard at the compact FF segment. Version 3 will not change much and the cycle of these complaints will repeat. Good luck.
ChrisThere are real world disadvantages to a flip out for photography. They are not made up despite what you think. Again if it works for you and your style, great. Doesn't change the fact it doesn't meet others needs.
Sure, use what works for you. I don’t agree with the disadvantages thing, it’s all good for me and obviously many others. If you want this camera and don’t like some of the spec, you just have to live with compromises. If you don’t like it that much, just use something else and ignore this camera. Every new release is just endless complaints and negativity.
Chris
joychris wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
joychris wrote
FMTopFan wrote
Does anyone have suggestions on how to deal with the flip out screen of the A7cR?First, the flip out screen is a huge hindrance to street shooting. Not only does it extends the footprint of the camera, not good in crowds where space is tight, as someone or something could easily gets caught by the stupid extended screen, which at best would cause unexpected jerks or injury, or at worst injury and also loss of camera.
Also, for low angle shooting, since screen is extended way to the left side of the camera, if you are holding it out with right hand shooting a subject to the right you will NOT be able to see the screen because it's freaking blocked by the camera. Sure, the screen can be flipped 90-degree to the left to maintain visibility, but try doing this dozens and dozens of times in a day of shooting, and constantly bringing it closer to you and then adjusting with left hand, it would make me want to throw it into the river.
Don't get me started on using flip-out screen for high angle shots. Use your imagination for the problems.
Last but not least, one-handed shooting is basically out of the window, because there is no way I can adjust the tilt angle without getting my left hand involved, whereas without the flip first, even while holding the camera with just the right hand, I can still use the thumb to nudge the degree of tilt a bit in a pinch.
I really feel like A7cR was designed by a team of cool engineers who hate photographers or anyone who is not hybrid shooter or selfie-obsessed. (please note the "feel" word, I have no facts to support this assertion, so please don't attack me for being biased against Sony engineers
) Finally, if your suggestion is, get a A7R5, please save it, because I want a small lightweight 61MP camera for travel
Edit: I think I might have to follow @nhsonyshooter@@@@@'s advice, which is "wait 3 years?"
If it bugs you that much just don’t buy it. I love the fully articulated screen, makes getting any shot, portrait or landscape orientation, much, much easier. And you can turn it around for storage or just to not see it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see a different screen on the C line so it’s this or look elsewhere.
They nailed the design, it’s perfect for what it is.
Chris
Chris
Sure, use what works for you. I don’t agree with the disadvantages thing, it’s all good for me and obviously many others. If you want this camera and don’t like some of the spec, you just have to live with compromises. If you don’t like it that much, just use something else and ignore this camera. Every new release is just endless complaints and negativity.
Chris
Sep 01, 2023 at 07:01 AM
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p.16 #11Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Interesting sidenote: the Leica Q3 weights 743g, the A7cr with FE28F20 weights only 715g!
Sep 01, 2023 at 07:06 AM
p.16 #12Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
I've been a Sony user since the A7. I've always felt like some of my favorite work has been with smaller bodies. More discrete and less intrusive. From the RX1 series to the Q and the A7C. I used the 7C as a backup on big paid jobs and always enjoyed the body. I can achieve the same look from it as my A1 & RV. Now that we have the A7CR & Cii, I can't be more excited about it. It is not an actual pro body, but I know that I can match the same look. I can take it and the smaller G lens into places where normally people would feel uncomfortable with my larger body.
It's hard to wrap my head around people being upset that a tiny body like this has shortcomings. It has AI AF, incredible raw files, lens selections for days, 10bit video, and all in a package almost the same size as a 12oz aluminum can.
Sept 28th cant get here soon enough!
-Dave
It's hard to wrap my head around people being upset that a tiny body like this has shortcomings. It has AI AF, incredible raw files, lens selections for days, 10bit video, and all in a package almost the same size as a 12oz aluminum can.
Sept 28th cant get here soon enough!
-Dave
Sep 01, 2023 at 07:39 AM
p.16 #13Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
DFason wrote:
I've been a Sony user since the A7. I've always felt like some of my favorite work has been with smaller bodies. More discrete and less intrusive. From the RX1 series to the Q and the A7C. I used the 7C as a backup on big paid jobs and always enjoyed the body. I can achieve the same look from it as my A1 & RV. Now that we have the A7CR & Cii, I can't be more excited about it. It is not an actual pro body, but I know that I can match the same look. I can...Show more →
100% agree. Smaller cameras and lenses are far more disarming and much easier to be discreet.
Imagine if Sony dropped a third a7c with the a1’s sensor, priced at like $4900 or so, with the rest of the current specs. Heads would explode
! Side note, what a rad camera that would be. 👍
Chris
I've been a Sony user since the A7. I've always felt like some of my favorite work has been with smaller bodies. More discrete and less intrusive. From the RX1 series to the Q and the A7C. I used the 7C as a backup on big paid jobs and always enjoyed the body. I can achieve the same look from it as my A1 & RV. Now that we have the A7CR & Cii, I can't be more excited about it. It is not an actual pro body, but I know that I can match the same look. I can...Show more →
100% agree. Smaller cameras and lenses are far more disarming and much easier to be discreet.
Imagine if Sony dropped a third a7c with the a1’s sensor, priced at like $4900 or so, with the rest of the current specs. Heads would explode
! Side note, what a rad camera that would be. 👍Chris
Sep 01, 2023 at 08:27 AM
p.16 #14Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
From what I've seen the A7Cii seems to have the better low light capabilities, but would that also apply for dynamic range? or would the R take the lean in that sense?
I've just travelled for two months with an A7C and the Tamron 20-40/2.8. Fantastic size/weight balance between camera and lens (I use a thumb grip and it makes a world of a difference in that regard), it covers pretty much every situation I usually face, 2.8 being good enough for low light.
So I'm pretty happy with the A7C. The higher res, the better high iso performance, better evf and the front dial
and extra custom button will be most welcome improvements though.
Lots of people complaining about the EVF, of course I wish it was better, bigger, sharper, even hybrid, ffs (loved the one on the Fujifilm X100 series, had all versions up to the F) but it is good enough, considering the overall package, I was worried it would be a deal breaker from reading that many negative reviews about it before getting the A7C in my hands, and it was just... fine, really. I may have the blessing of low standards, perhaps.
I've just travelled for two months with an A7C and the Tamron 20-40/2.8. Fantastic size/weight balance between camera and lens (I use a thumb grip and it makes a world of a difference in that regard), it covers pretty much every situation I usually face, 2.8 being good enough for low light.
So I'm pretty happy with the A7C. The higher res, the better high iso performance, better evf and the front dial
and extra custom button will be most welcome improvements though.
Lots of people complaining about the EVF, of course I wish it was better, bigger, sharper, even hybrid, ffs (loved the one on the Fujifilm X100 series, had all versions up to the F) but it is good enough, considering the overall package, I was worried it would be a deal breaker from reading that many negative reviews about it before getting the A7C in my hands, and it was just... fine, really. I may have the blessing of low standards, perhaps.
Sep 01, 2023 at 08:32 AM
p.16 #15Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
It’s nice to see some positive posts finally.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
Sep 01, 2023 at 08:55 AM
p.16 #16Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
dieterson wrote:
Interesting sidenote: the Leica Q3 weights 743g, the A7cr with FE28F20 weights only 715g!
Quality-wise, the FE 28/2 is not exactly comparable to the Summilux 28/1.7 Asph ...
Interesting sidenote: the Leica Q3 weights 743g, the A7cr with FE28F20 weights only 715g!
Quality-wise, the FE 28/2 is not exactly comparable to the Summilux 28/1.7 Asph ...
Sep 01, 2023 at 09:21 AM
p.16 #17Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
marcelography wrote:
I was worried it would be a deal breaker from reading that many negative reviews about it before getting the A7C in my hands, and it was just... fine, really. I may have the blessing of low standards, perhaps.
Or maybe you are just a photographer that can use whatever gear is in your hands to produce great photos.
I was worried it would be a deal breaker from reading that many negative reviews about it before getting the A7C in my hands, and it was just... fine, really. I may have the blessing of low standards, perhaps.
Or maybe you are just a photographer that can use whatever gear is in your hands to produce great photos.
Sep 01, 2023 at 09:29 AM
p.16 #18Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
marcelography wrote:
From what I've seen the A7Cii seems to have the better low light capabilities, but would that also apply for dynamic range? or would the R take the lean in that sense?
Using the A7iv and A7Rv as proxies the DR would seem to be pretty similar.
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4,Sony%20ILCE-7RM5
From what I've seen the A7Cii seems to have the better low light capabilities, but would that also apply for dynamic range? or would the R take the lean in that sense?
Using the A7iv and A7Rv as proxies the DR would seem to be pretty similar.
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony%20ILCE-7M4,Sony%20ILCE-7RM5
Sep 01, 2023 at 09:45 AM
p.16 #19Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff Kott wrote:
It’s nice to see some positive posts finally.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
It’s nice to know exactly what you are buying and not buying. That’s all there is too any negative comments.
It’s nice to see some positive posts finally.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
It’s nice to know exactly what you are buying and not buying. That’s all there is too any negative comments.
Sep 01, 2023 at 09:45 AM
p.16 #20Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Jeff Kott wrote:
It’s nice to see some positive posts finally.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
Here is my positive view of the A7cr:
Amazing AF coupled with an amazing sensor packaged into a nice easy to carry body along with a couple of nice compact primes is travel photography heaven.😁
It’s nice to see some positive posts finally.
I understand the shortcomings, but am very excited about the new cameras and voted with my wallet.
Here is my positive view of the A7cr:
Amazing AF coupled with an amazing sensor packaged into a nice easy to carry body along with a couple of nice compact primes is travel photography heaven.😁
Sep 01, 2023 at 10:00 AM