p.12 #1 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
FMTopFan wrote:
ND is bad not just for the above, but also in portraits sessions.
I care about maintaining "connection" with the subjects, especially if we are "on the move" from one scene to another that involve shutter speeds switching from really high to really low.
In these scenarios, there is no way I can break the flow by saying, "hold on, let me put on ND or remove ND."
By the time I am done, the flow and synergy would be gone. Why can't Sony implement some kind of "auto" mode to switch between the modes?
Is it true that Nikon has an "Auto switch" feature that toggles between full mechanical and EFCS? But I am not sure if it's designed for "bokeh" purposes or some other reasons.
p.12 #3 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
FMTopFan wrote:
Even if we'll "never know," we might be able to get closer to the truth 3-4 years from now.
By then, based on the specs A7cR II, if it's released, and if a bigger and higher res EVF is still not included, we will have 3 years of sales data and user experience to evaluate which explanation is more likely than the other, I think.
Sony will have 3 years of sales data…we’ll still be in the dark. Sony already has 2 years of a7c sales data when the made their decisions on the latest a7c cameras. That should tell us something.
p.12 #5 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
freaklikeme wrote:
It is nearly identical. The only visible difference between it and my rII's EVF is I have that one set to mono. That said, it's not terrible. Just disappointing.
As usual, except for the Q2 thing, I like the way you're thinking. I could pick up a used a7c, where the small grip makes it perfect for the wide angle bellows on the Actus, the couple of parts I need to rebuild the Actus, lens plates, including an F-mount plate because, now that I know I have additional IC to use on the Milvus 18 and APO-Sonnar 135, I plan to use it. That would get me back to happy with the ponderous landscape camera. And then an R camera for everything else the 50sII does, like time lapses and ponderous scapes in places where the Actus isn't welcome.
Assuming my GFX sale goes through on Friday, I think this is my plan. Then it comes down to deciding on the R model. The rIII has a sensor I know and love in a body I know and love with an EVF that's equal to what I have with the GFX. Plus it would leave me with money left over. Or I could spend it all and go with the rIV which has a couple million more dots on the EVF. Decisions, decisions....Show more →
Yes, not terrible, just disappointing. I did hope for a bit better on the a7cR though. Lol--I really liked the Q2 operationally and the lens itself. Honestly, surprised how much I enjoyed using it. Just a stiff asking price. Realistically, I am one of those shooters who gets by well over half the time with a single lens, generally a 28-35mm lens for a majority of my shooting. And I have never been entirely happy with my Sony options (the 35i is my preferred option, but still a bit too big for my liking) or RF options (no AF on the occasions I want it and a modded sensor is needed).
Anyway, the way you're using the Milvus 18 and Sonnar is good. Ponderous landscape cameras are lovely with deliberate pace--still miss my Mamiya 7 with it's 10 photos per frame. Better be careful and sure before those leaf shutters close. Sometimes I cap myself with how many pics I'll take on my digitals just to force myself to be more intelligent when shooting.
I had GFX 50R but I didn't find it worth the hassle over an a7r2 or a7r3 in terms of IQ. Their 100mp MF sensors would be a big enough step up for me to justify it. I love what Hassleblad has done with the X2D + 38v.
In my experience, I don't prefer the a7rIV as the fourth gen. bodies are simply to large and I prefer the 42mp sensor to the 61mp of the r4. Its actually my favorite FF sensor on the market I've shot. To me, the r4's super EVF is really the only attraction. The AF is already worse than the a7c I think. And I don't need great AF. Doesn't sound like you do either.
p.12 #7 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
FMTopFan wrote:
Wow, Fuji has so many options! Just blew my mind
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swldstn wrote:
Having previously owned several Fuji bodies and I knew this. Could never figure out why Sony did not use this approach
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jaygould wrote:
I am pretty sure my Nikon Z5 does this automatically. I have noticed that the shutter sound changes depending on the shutter speed.
Certain Sony cameras have the ability to automatically switch between Electronic and Mechanical shutters. For instance, models like the Sony A9 series offer "Auto" as an option for the shutter type. This setting is helpful when using shutter speeds faster than 1/8000s since it automatically switches from mechanical to electronic shutter. These cameras also allow you to control the EFSC function (On/Off) when shooting in mechanical shutter.
p.12 #8 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Even the 6700 had EFSC function on/ off. Honestly we are guessing until we actually see the menus for these. There are a few things we need to look at in their menus to explain it. The data so far has been confusing and maybe inaccurate
Looking at 6700 menus now it says e-front curtain in/off in mechanical shutter. Still thinking this cam is the real deal
Okay find the menu palette for the A7C units folks we can figure it from there
p.12 #11 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Just a note I wanted to follow up on. The Camera Size .com website now supports the new A6700, A7C II, and A7CR along with the older A7C. From this you can see that while the grip on the new A7C II and A7CR are deeper than the older A7C they are not as deep as the grip on the A6700.
Now owning the A6700 I like the grip on it and it feels like an A7 IV. I don’t know how the two new A7C II an R cameras will really feel even though a few reviews only mention it positively (or they may not get another pre-release from Sony to review).
So if you want to compare virtually use the site and pull up the cameras using these names:
- Sony A7C
- Sony Alpha a6700
- Sony Alpha 7C II
- Sony Alpha 7CR
If you use the two at a time mode you can overlay vertical views and if you place them in the right order (A7C before A7C II, and A7C II before A6700) you can see this.
I’m having difficulty capturing a link but you can see from the comparison that the A6700 is 75.1 mm deep from grip to rear and the A7 II is only 63.4 mm deep.
I will switch from my iPad to laptop to see if I can add a link using tat browser to capture the application
p.12 #12 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
I do really like the 6700 grip for sure. This grip I don’t need my pinky to hold it as it won’t fit anyway so the depth helps the hold. Don’t want a plate either
p.12 #13 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
chiron wrote:
Any impact on bokeh of EFCS requires both of two conditions: Very large maximum aperture (1.2 or 1.4) and very high shutter speed (at least 1/1000th of a second, many say more than 1/2000th). Mark Galer's opinion is that even under those circumstances that the impact is slight and not worth worrying about.
Well it seems to be an issue for me to worry about, as I shoot a lot of outside portraits in sunny conditions. I have fast primes and like to shoot them wide open, that is why I bought them. My 35 and 50 f1.4 GM lenses at ISO 100 on a bright "Sunny 16" days will shoot wide open at 1/6,400 to 1,8000ss, my 3 Sigma I series f2 primes will be at 1/3,000 to 1,4000ss and my Batis 85mm f1.8 and Sony 55mm f1.8 will fall somewhere in-between.
Marks suggestion to shoot at ISO 50 does not solve the issue, my GM's will still be at 1/4,000ss and the Sigma's at 1/2000ss, still over the 1,000ss threshold where the issue starts. I hope that Sony has resolved this issue and it turns out that this is not a problem. I was ready to buy an A7Cr to add to my A7RIV, but right now for me, both new A7C models are a no-go just for this reason.
p.12 #14 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
swldstn wrote:
Just a note I wanted to follow up on. The Camera Size .com website now supports the new A6700, A7C II, and A7CR along with the older A7C. From this you can see that while the grip on the new A7C II and A7CR are deeper than the older A7C they are not as deep as the grip on the A6700.
Now owning the A6700 I like the grip on it and it feels like an A7 IV. I don’t know how the two new A7C II an R cameras will really feel even though a few reviews only mention it positively (or they may not get another pre-release from Sony to review).
So if you want to compare virtually use the site and pull up the cameras using these names:
- Sony A7C
- Sony Alpha a6700
- Sony Alpha 7C II
- Sony Alpha 7CR
If you use the two at a time mode you can overlay vertical views and if you place them in the right order (A7C before A7C II, and A7C II before A6700) you can see this.
I’m having difficulty capturing a link but you can see from the comparison that the A6700 is 75.1 mm deep from grip to rear and the A7 II is only 63.4 mm deep.
I will switch from my iPad to laptop to see if I can add a link using tat browser to capture the application
p.12 #15 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
jwpstl wrote:
I don’t think the C series was designed to be used with fast glass which is typically larger and heavier. These are designed to be small, for active people who want a small kit using lenses at f/2.8-16. If I was consistently using 1.2 or 1.4 lenses I’d want a camera that balanced better with heavier glass and offered a mechanical shutter…especially if I’m being paid for portraits at 1.4 or 1.2 as any change to bokeh could be unwelcome.
Hmm, then why do all the Sony published body photos with primes mostly show the 24 f1.4 and 50 f1.4 GM attached??
p.12 #16 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
After thinking some more about this, I don't think a lack of a mechanical shutter is going to matter that much to me. I've never shot a portrait at f1.2-f1.8 in midday sun. When I do photograph during the day, it is usually architecture etc and then I will be stopped down to f4-f8 anyway.
p.12 #18 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
GMPhotography wrote:
Even the 6700 had EFSC function on/ off. Honestly we are guessing until we actually see the menus for these. There are a few things we need to look at in their menus to explain it. The data so far has been confusing and maybe inaccurate
Looking at 6700 menus now it says e-front curtain in/off in mechanical shutter. Still thinking this cam is the real deal
Okay find the menu palette for the A7C units folks we can figure it from there
Guy, am I right in thinking that the "jumbled bokeh" issue at 1,000ss or greater with the new A7C models is not an issue with the A6700 because of the APS-C mode? Have you shot portraits yet with the A6700 with or without flash and if so any issues?
I wanted to get an A7C model for a 2nd smaller body, but as I explained in post #13 above I use fast primes and will be shooting a lot of photos at faster than 1/1,000ss. And at times I do use fill flash. Am fine with the 26MP, as I use that mode all the time on my A7RIV.
p.12 #19 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Fred Miranda wrote:
Certain Sony cameras have the ability to automatically switch between Electronic and Mechanical shutters. For instance, models like the Sony A9 series offer "Auto" as an option for the shutter type. This setting is helpful when using shutter speeds faster than 1/8000s since it automatically switches from mechanical to electronic shutter. These cameras also allow you to control the EFSC function (On/Off) when shooting in mechanical shutter.
The A1 no longer has a mechanical front curtain and hence EFCS is always active when using the mechanical shutter. This tends not to be a problem as the electronic shutter is so good. But if you need the mechanical shutter, shooting fast and wide open, you can get hit by the cut of bokeh edge.
p.12 #20 · Official: Sony A7C II, A7CR and FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II
Well there are other issues here if there truly is no mechanical shutter which I’m having a hard time believe I g than there is no EFSC on / off so my thinking you can and will run into it but if it’s limited than maybe not so bad. But there is other problems no mechanical shutter means no variable shutter to help with using or shooting under LED light which can be a nightmare. Now also then it’s a w shutter but is it a fast one to eliminate rolling shutter . Flash is also limited to 1/160.
Honestly what did Sony do here. I don’t watch any YouTube crap as those guys don’t dive deep enough. I’ve caught this stuff before on other cams but no mechanical shutter I’m running far away.
Now honestly I have not shot the 6700 yet it’s so freaking hot here at 110 to119 but I’m going to test in the morning
Fred and I both have run into this EFSC issue several times when testing glass so it is real and you will hit it but if this has no adjustment to compensate then that’s not good. Now unless maybe it switches on automatic via the high shutter speeds. Not sure what to make of these changes yet. Need to see the real menu items in camera or on paper so we can really see what it has and what it don’t
Now on the same level my A7RV and 6700 are almost identical here . So what is this A7C about I shoot in this soup all the time with LED lighting / anti flicker/ strobes and so one. I need the mechanical shutter
Bottom line we need reliable data as I don’t trust most of these YouTubers for answers they don’t test this stuff
