Sony A7C II Leaked images
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GMPhotography wrote:
So still ONE slot. Sony is not getting my money for this. They simply did not take this seriously enough.
They are taking this serious, you just aren't in their target market.
but value is value and just not seeing it here.
I expect most buying this are non-professionals. I believe only very few of those care about a second slot. With the second slot the body would be bigger, heavier and more expensive (admittedly not by much). So in summary for most folks buying this, without the second slot the camera has better value for less money.
So still ONE slot. Sony is not getting my money for this. They simply did not take this seriously enough.
They are taking this serious, you just aren't in their target market.
but value is value and just not seeing it here.
I expect most buying this are non-professionals. I believe only very few of those care about a second slot. With the second slot the body would be bigger, heavier and more expensive (admittedly not by much). So in summary for most folks buying this, without the second slot the camera has better value for less money.
Aug 14, 2023 at 09:35 AM
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Daran wrote:
They are taking this serious, you just aren't in their target market.
I expect most buying this are non-professionals. I believe only very few of those care about a second slot. With the second slot the body would be bigger, heavier and more expensive (admittedly not by much). So in summary for most folks buying this, without the second slot the camera has better value for less money.
I have a 2nd slot in my A7RV so for real work that's what I will use but even a backup camera could use a second slot. I know I don't have one in my 6700 but that's more my travel camera. The problem with this for the hobbyists this maybe there only camera and in most cases I certainly can see a A7c is prime camera for that.
Outside of my preferences they are simply not advancing themselves when everyone and their cousin is bitching about the A7c and its mostly EVF and one slot. The issue here is Sony has their nose up their ass and not realizing the customer needs but more sitting back and slowing on the innovation. Thats what drew me in was the innovation. Im retired I don't count anymore camera wise but I do count as an advocate for them and the industry. Im not liking this chil pill they swallowed
GMPhotography wrote
So still ONE slot. Sony is not getting my money for this. They simply did not take this seriously enough.Earlier quote
but value is value and just not seeing it here.I have a 2nd slot in my A7RV so for real work that's what I will use but even a backup camera could use a second slot. I know I don't have one in my 6700 but that's more my travel camera. The problem with this for the hobbyists this maybe there only camera and in most cases I certainly can see a A7c is prime camera for that.
Outside of my preferences they are simply not advancing themselves when everyone and their cousin is bitching about the A7c and its mostly EVF and one slot. The issue here is Sony has their nose up their ass and not realizing the customer needs but more sitting back and slowing on the innovation. Thats what drew me in was the innovation. Im retired I don't count anymore camera wise but I do count as an advocate for them and the industry. Im not liking this chil pill they swallowed
Aug 14, 2023 at 09:43 AM
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Let's see a new A7Cll accompanied by a compact 28mm f/2.
Aug 14, 2023 at 09:44 AM
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lensfan wrote:
Tiny EVF would be no fun.
Exactly and this one should be an easy fix. Unless there is some technical reason they can't but im not buying into that argument either.
I know im a bitching here but I also got 50 years in this , I should have a voice.
Okay i will go play golf now.
Ive read the comments on SAR about this and the whole thing is EVF and one slot bitch, im not alone.
Tiny EVF would be no fun.
Exactly and this one should be an easy fix. Unless there is some technical reason they can't but im not buying into that argument either.
I know im a bitching here but I also got 50 years in this , I should have a voice.
Okay i will go play golf now.
Ive read the comments on SAR about this and the whole thing is EVF and one slot bitch, im not alone.
Aug 14, 2023 at 09:45 AM
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The A7C was a huge success for Sony. It sold beyond their expectations. I can see their reasoning to not change the evf when they don't have to, but it's an instant no for me.
Aug 14, 2023 at 10:14 AM
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p.4 #7Sony A7C II Leaked images
I know a lot of photographers that almost never use the EVF. Plenty of street photographers just shoot off the back screen. I personally shoot off the back LCD about 25% of the time for wildlife/birds because its the easiest way to shoot from a very low angle.
Aug 14, 2023 at 10:33 AM
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berimbolo wrote:
I know a lot of photographers that almost never use the EVF. Plenty of street photographers just shoot off the back screen. I personally shoot off the back LCD about 25% of the time for wildlife/birds because its the easiest way to shoot from a very low angle.
Under bright sun EVF serves better + easier to avoid hand shake.
I know a lot of photographers that almost never use the EVF. Plenty of street photographers just shoot off the back screen. I personally shoot off the back LCD about 25% of the time for wildlife/birds because its the easiest way to shoot from a very low angle.
Under bright sun EVF serves better + easier to avoid hand shake.
Aug 14, 2023 at 10:38 AM
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The lack of a high quality EVF seems to be holding a lot of people back from the A7C models. Not so much, it seems to be an issue with those with pro bodies like the A1 who want a 2nd body. Otherwise, why not just stick to an A7 model and get the better viewfinder? Which I am sure a lot of people do. You put a high quality viewfinder on the C model and the standard A7 series has some new in house competition. Do they want that? Not if you ask me. In fact it makes the standard A7 series crippled in a sense, size wise compared with Nikon and Canon for those that want something more 'normal and substantial.
I come from a place of wanting one smaller sized camera so it's perfect for me, and have really never peered through a great pro viewfinder, so I don't miss it. Lots of us out there.
I come from a place of wanting one smaller sized camera so it's perfect for me, and have really never peered through a great pro viewfinder, so I don't miss it. Lots of us out there.
Aug 14, 2023 at 10:39 AM
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The lack of a high quality EVF seems to be holding a lot of people back from the A7C models. Not so much, it seems to be an issue with those with pro bodies like the A1 who want a 2nd body. Otherwise, why not just stick to an A7 model and get the better viewfinder? Which I am sure a lot of people do. You put a high quality viewfinder on the C model and the standard A7 series has some new in house competition. Do they want that? Not if you ask me. In fact it makes the...Show more →
I can shoot with back screen but I have more fun shooting with viewfinder.
A7R5 and A1 have incredible EVF but Sony's back screens seem to be behind the competition. Not enough resolution, not bright enough, colors could be better.
I guess, majority sales for A7C are made to people already used to back screens looking at EVF as a gimmick.
Shooting with back screen in the streets attacts much less attention and helps people remain natural.
The lack of a high quality EVF seems to be holding a lot of people back from the A7C models. Not so much, it seems to be an issue with those with pro bodies like the A1 who want a 2nd body. Otherwise, why not just stick to an A7 model and get the better viewfinder? Which I am sure a lot of people do. You put a high quality viewfinder on the C model and the standard A7 series has some new in house competition. Do they want that? Not if you ask me. In fact it makes the...Show more →
I can shoot with back screen but I have more fun shooting with viewfinder.
A7R5 and A1 have incredible EVF but Sony's back screens seem to be behind the competition. Not enough resolution, not bright enough, colors could be better.
I guess, majority sales for A7C are made to people already used to back screens looking at EVF as a gimmick.
Shooting with back screen in the streets attacts much less attention and helps people remain natural.
Aug 14, 2023 at 10:44 AM
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I use the EVF one hundred percent of the time on my A7C. I am just less demanding I think. I come from M43 and had an Olympus EM5 about 8 years ago and to me it is very similar EVF to that camera, and got used to it. I get your point though.
Aug 14, 2023 at 10:58 AM
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Rule of thumb is the older you are the more EVF type finder you're used to and more the younger generation you use a iPhone type mostly. So yea it's a generation thing as well. Im certainly an old viewfinder type and sure I can use the back LCD as well but shooting any action I want a viewfinder as I concentrate better in the camera than on an outside screen. Now I use the LCD almost the whole time shooting those 20k image runway shows as I get far less tried and the LCD does help a lot so having both is a bonus. I just think they could make a better EVF as that way we have a better option for more users.
Aug 14, 2023 at 11:10 AM
p.4 #13Sony A7C II Leaked images
More rumor specs for August 29th:
Sony a7CII:
33MP sensor of the A7IV
Bionz XR, AI processor
5 stops IBIS
10fps
100-51200 ISO
10 bit 4k60p, S-Cinetone
2,36 milion dot EVF
3 inch fully articulating LCD screen
759 AF points
Lens breathing compensation
One slot only
Sony a7CR:
Same body as A7cII
61MP sensor of the A7rV
8k recording like the A7rV
3 inch fully articulating LCD screen
One slot only
Other specs equal to the A7rV
Sony FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II:
Optically superior to the first-generation lens
More compact
Sony a7CII:
33MP sensor of the A7IV
Bionz XR, AI processor
5 stops IBIS
10fps
100-51200 ISO
10 bit 4k60p, S-Cinetone
2,36 milion dot EVF
3 inch fully articulating LCD screen
759 AF points
Lens breathing compensation
One slot only
Sony a7CR:
Same body as A7cII
61MP sensor of the A7rV
8k recording like the A7rV
3 inch fully articulating LCD screen
One slot only
Other specs equal to the A7rV
Sony FE 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II:
Optically superior to the first-generation lens
More compact
Aug 14, 2023 at 04:12 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Sony a7CR:
Same body as A7cII
61MP sensor of the A7rV
This I would like...a lot.
Sony a7CR:
Same body as A7cII
61MP sensor of the A7rV
This I would like...a lot.
Aug 14, 2023 at 04:18 PM
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please please please improve the EVF magnification on the A7CR.
Aug 14, 2023 at 04:46 PM
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Interesting that comments everywhere spend a lot of time bitching about EVF and lack of second SD slot, which baffles me. These C models are not aimed at 'professionals' or as backup bodies - the handling/haptics are completely different to the bigger bodies. They're aimed at travellers, street photographers, amateurs like me who have almost never used EVF by choice (I hate the damn things) and have never bothered with a second slot even when available to me (I've spent years with the R bodies, and A7iii/A7iv). There have been a surprising number of commenters wanting everything the bigger bodies have - where do you think they're going to put them?!!
The A7c has been such a breath of fresh air to me - small, light, fun to use, great AF. I love it. I'm very happy not paying for an expensive EVF, second SD slot, joystick etc. The AF is so good and flexible the joystick really isn't necessary, very occasionally I'll use touch focus. I do miss things like Cx custom buttons, camset capability, tilting screen and dual curtain shutter. Some of those things will be addressed in the A7Cii, others not, but they're good compromises for the money and size. These cameras are not supposed to be used for weddings etc, that's just not their target audience.
I'll buy the A7Cii as soon as it's available. This will have the same outstanding AF as the A7Rv but with an even faster readout - will be a significant step up from the A7iv in a lot of ways (will be interesting to see if it has the same 4k60 crop). Sony aren't morons - the A7c was a surprising success and the A7cii will likely be even more successful.
I'd love the A7Cr but doubt I'll be able to afford it.
The A7c has been such a breath of fresh air to me - small, light, fun to use, great AF. I love it. I'm very happy not paying for an expensive EVF, second SD slot, joystick etc. The AF is so good and flexible the joystick really isn't necessary, very occasionally I'll use touch focus. I do miss things like Cx custom buttons, camset capability, tilting screen and dual curtain shutter. Some of those things will be addressed in the A7Cii, others not, but they're good compromises for the money and size. These cameras are not supposed to be used for weddings etc, that's just not their target audience.
I'll buy the A7Cii as soon as it's available. This will have the same outstanding AF as the A7Rv but with an even faster readout - will be a significant step up from the A7iv in a lot of ways (will be interesting to see if it has the same 4k60 crop). Sony aren't morons - the A7c was a surprising success and the A7cii will likely be even more successful.
I'd love the A7Cr but doubt I'll be able to afford it.
Aug 14, 2023 at 04:55 PM
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p.4 #19Sony A7C II Leaked images
newdom wrote:
Interesting that comments everywhere spend a lot of time bitching about EVF and lack of second SD slot, which baffles me. These C models are not aimed at 'professionals' or as backup bodies - the handling/haptics are completely different to the bigger bodies. They're aimed at travellers, street photographers, amateurs like me who have almost never used EVF by choice (I hate the damn things) and have never bothered with a second slot even when available to me (I've spent years with the R bodies, and A7iii/A7iv). There have been a surprising number of commenters wanting everything the bigger bodies...Show more →
I agree with this 100%.
Interesting that comments everywhere spend a lot of time bitching about EVF and lack of second SD slot, which baffles me. These C models are not aimed at 'professionals' or as backup bodies - the handling/haptics are completely different to the bigger bodies. They're aimed at travellers, street photographers, amateurs like me who have almost never used EVF by choice (I hate the damn things) and have never bothered with a second slot even when available to me (I've spent years with the R bodies, and A7iii/A7iv). There have been a surprising number of commenters wanting everything the bigger bodies...Show more →
I agree with this 100%.
Aug 14, 2023 at 05:02 PM
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newdom wrote:
Interesting that comments everywhere spend a lot of time bitching about EVF and lack of second SD slot, which baffles me. These C models are not aimed at 'professionals' or as backup bodies - the handling/haptics are completely different to the bigger bodies. They're aimed at travellers, street photographers, amateurs like me who have almost never used EVF by choice (I hate the damn things) and have never bothered with a second slot even when available to me (I've spent years with the R bodies, and A7iii/A7iv). There have been a surprising number of commenters wanting everything the bigger bodies...Show more →
This.
But I doubt we see any readout speed improvement without a stacked sensor. To meet the price point I’m sure it’ll recycle the a7IV’s sensor, which means same readout speed and same crop.
Even if it’s not aimed at the professional market, I’m looking at using both of the new C’s for my work to lighten my kit. Dual cards is overblown IMO when you’re carrying two bodies and buy good cards. I shot the a7rII/sII for years until getting the a7III and never had any issues. 🤷♀️
Cheers
Chris
Aug 14, 2023 at 05:38 PM