p.21 #1 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
@nehemiahphoto@@
Aporia 24/2 are not marked as sold out at MKDirect https://www.mkdirect51.com/shop (except a few specific Urushi / Lacquer versions) although there are no copies in stock. They remade a small batch of multiple Urushi versions last year or so. I think that means that it may still be possible for MS-Optics to make them based on orders but it could take time. You could send them a query at msopticsmiyazaki @ gmail.com to ask about possibility of getting them to make them.
As far as I know anything that's still listed at MKDirect and not marked as sold out could still be made (i.e. they still have parts to make them) & ordered but may be made-to-order and might take time and overseas customers would need to contact the e-mail address above instead of MKDirect.
p.21 #3 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Here's a few quick snaps from the evening I got the lens and afternoon the day after.
I choose these photos purely from aesthetic point of view, I was looking for the feeling or vibe the lens can capture. These are basically all frames wide open or almost wide open. I was interested in how the lens performs wide open, and I'm pretty pleased with the results. Most of these are SOOC.
There's one concern with the lens I got. The aperture ring turns over 1.0 mark, is that normal? It seems to work normally, but I was thinking, is it possible the ring itself is a bit misaligned with the lens barrel where the aperture markings are?
p.21 #6 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
tommmi wrote:
Here's a few quick snaps from the evening I got the lens and afternoon the day after.
I choose these photos purely from aesthetic point of view, I was looking for the feeling or vibe the lens can capture. These are basically all frames wide open or almost wide open. I was interested in how the lens performs wide open, and I'm pretty pleased with the results. Most of these are SOOC.
There's one concern with the lens I got. The aperture ring turns over 1.0 mark, is that normal? It seems to work normally, but I was thinking, is it possible the ring itself is a bit misaligned with the lens barrel where the aperture markings are?
It's very common with MS-Optics lenses that the aperture ring can turn further than the marking for fastest aperture. Majority of my MS-Optics lenses work that way. Normally there is no visible sign of the blades at fastest aperture mark and beyond and the blades start to become visible when stopping down from the widest aperture marker. It's pretty much the standard way with these lenses.
p.21 #7 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Sonnar-7 wrote:
I’m an Apolloner now. We believe in 1.3.
What a beautiful lens, I’m ready to embrace the 35mm focal length.
Thanks @Juha Kannisto@ for all your insights and everything you do here to inform and document.
Thanks very much! I'm happy to see you found a good looking Apollon I've been certainly very happy with mine. Looking forward to seeing your shots with it!
p.21 #8 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Sonnar-7 wrote:
I’m an Apolloner now. We believe in 1.3.
What a beautiful lens, I’m ready to embrace the 35mm focal length.
Thanks @Juha Kannisto@ for all your insights and everything you do here to inform and document.
Congrats Apolloner!
I agree, it's a cute lens too. The other day I mounted it on the Sony A7CR with the Techart EA9 AF adapter, no hood, and asked my daughter if she thought it looked good (I also have the silver version). Her reaction was, "This is ugly, Dad!" I have to admit, I felt a little insulted at first, but then I just laughed...because in my head I was thinking it looked super cool.
p.21 #9 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Thanks very much! I'm happy to see you found a good looking Apollon I've been certainly very happy with mine. Looking forward to seeing your shots with it!
Thank you, it’s brand new, Kamii did mount one for me, well kinda.
I’ve just tested it with a few shots in the late afternoon, I was so impressed by the rendering. Just wowed. It surprised me.
p.21 #10 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Fred Miranda wrote:
Congrats Apolloner!
I agree, it's a cute lens too. The other day I mounted it on the Sony A7CR with the Techart EA9 AF adapter, no hood, and asked my daughter if she thought it looked good (I also have the silver version). Her reaction was, "This is ugly, Dad!" I have to admit, I felt a little insulted at first, but then I just laughed...because in my head I was thinking it looked super cool.
Haha! It’s the setup I’d like to go for, I bet it looks good even if weird.
For my part I did put it on my Zf and with the wooden grip, my odd adapter and the lens being silver it, it’s such a strange patchwork and the setup looks like a piece of engineering straight out of an alternate timeline.
I do think it looks cool too.
p.21 #11 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Juha Kannisto wrote:
@nehemiahphoto@@@
Aporia 24/2 are not marked as sold out at MKDirect https://www.mkdirect51.com/shop (except a few specific Urushi / Lacquer versions) although there are no copies in stock. They remade a small batch of multiple Urushi versions last year or so. I think that means that it may still be possible for MS-Optics to make them based on orders but it could take time. You could send them a query at msopticsmiyazaki @ gmail.com to ask about possibility of getting them to make them.
As far as I know anything that's still listed at MKDirect and not marked as sold out could still be made (i.e. they still have parts to make them) & ordered but may be made-to-order and might take time and overseas customers would need to contact the e-mail address above instead of MKDirect....Show more →
Funny you should say that ….
With some embarrassment, I realise I failed to answer @Sonnar-7 ‘s question about three weeks ago (he asked which lenses I managed to buy). So sorry. The answer is that I have just received an Aporia 2.0/24, an Apollon 1.3/36 and a Sonnetar 1.3/50.
When you posted the e-mail address a couple of months ago, I immediately enquired about these lenses (which were precisely the ones I was most keen to buy). It turned out that MS-Optics had one lacquer Aporia available, which I was lucky enough to secure. It had to be assembled, hence the slight delay (compounded by another two week sitting at UK customs). They also had just one black paint Sonnetar. So I have been very fortunate. Kamii-san could not have been more helpful and a pleasure to deal with. I’m afraid I don’t know whether they have the parts available for making another Aporia.
I’m away from home and a little busy at the moment, but will certainly post one or two snaps as soon as I’m back and have time to do so. I’m particularly interested to compare the Sonnetar with my late 1930s / early 1940s Carl Zeiss Jena 1.5/50 Sonnar. I can say right now now that the Sonnetar is just beautiful, though. Actually, all three are; the craftsmanship is exquisite.
And I must add: thank you so much for having posted about the ability to order from abroad via MS-Optics’ own e-mail address. I would not otherwise have known to try.
p.21 #12 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Only because we keep making new MS Optics threads over the years. Guys, we should tag any old useful old MS-Optics threads on this post so they don't get lost/buried!
Rendering comparison thread for Leica 35/1.4 Summilux Steel Rim, Voigtlander 35/1.4 II SC, LLL 35/2 8-Element, and MS Optics 36/1.3 Apollon by Fred: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1824082/0
p.21 #13 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Only because we keep making new MS Optics threads over the years. Guys, we should tag any old useful old MS-Optics threads on this post so they don't get lost/buried!
Rendering comparison thread for Leica 35/1.4 Summilux Steel Rim, Voigtlander 35/1.4 II SC, LLL 35/2 8-Element, and MS Optics 36/1.3 Apollon by Fred: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1824082/0
When comparing the 35/1.4 Pre-asph and the 35/1.4 Apoqualia, I like both (they're fairly similar) but the Apoqualia seems to give a slightly wider field of view and shows less optical vignetting, resulting in rounder highlights. It also when wide open, it appears a bit better corrected for SA than the Leica. This is just my impression from looking at side-by-side shots of the flannel shirt. Technically, the Apoqualia is an f/1.5 lens, which might explain why it produces less glow.
p.21 #14 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Andrew CD wrote:
Funny you should say that ….
With some embarrassment, I realise I failed to answer @Sonnar-7@@ ‘s question about three weeks ago (he asked which lenses I managed to buy). So sorry. The answer is that I have just received an Aporia 2.0/24, an Apollon 1.3/36 and a Sonnetar 1.3/50.
When you posted the e-mail address a couple of months ago, I immediately enquired about these lenses (which were precisely the ones I was most keen to buy). It turned out that MS-Optics had one lacquer Aporia available, which I was lucky enough to secure. It had to be assembled, hence the slight delay (compounded by another two week sitting at UK customs). They also had just one black paint Sonnetar. So I have been very fortunate. Kamii-san could not have been more helpful and a pleasure to deal with. I’m afraid I don’t know whether they have the parts available for making another Aporia.
I’m away from home and a little busy at the moment, but will certainly post one or two snaps as soon as I’m back and have time to do so. I’m particularly interested to compare the Sonnetar with my late 1930s / early 1940s Carl Zeiss Jena 1.5/50 Sonnar. I can say right now now that the Sonnetar is just beautiful, though. Actually, all three are; the craftsmanship is exquisite.
And I must add: thank you so much for having posted about the ability to order from abroad via MS-Optics’ own e-mail address. I would not otherwise have known to try....Show more →
Thanks very much! It's very nice to hear that you could score those 3 lenses directly from MS-Optics I have a green (Sea) lacquer version of Aporia which I bought as new early last year from GoGo Camera (a Fukuoka/Kyshu based store who had a booth in one old/collectable camera/lens sales event in Tokyo) just before the new batch was made by MS-Optics. My Apollon and Sonnetar 50/1.3 are regular black versions. I've been very happy with all 3 of those (and I have several other favorites as well). I hope they can still make more Aporia too but it's hard to tell for sure without asking directly. I hope you enjoy all 3 as much as I have Happy shooting!
I'm patiently waiting for the remake of Apoqualia 35/1.4 and hopefully there will be a new release sometime in the not too distant future as well.
p.21 #15 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Fred Miranda wrote:
When comparing the 35/1.4 Pre-asph and the 35/1.4 Apoqualia, I like both (they're fairly similar) but the Apoqualia seems to give a slightly wider field of view and shows less optical vignetting, resulting in rounder highlights. It also when wide open, it appears a bit better corrected for SA than the Leica. This is just my impression from looking at side-by-side shots of the flannel shirt. Technically, the Apoqualia is an f/1.5 lens, which might explain why it produces less glow.
Good observations Fred. The Apoqualia definitely has less SA than the Lux and therefore and unsurprisingly more contrast WO. But, I have found the bokeh to be less round because it has a ton of optical vignetting/swirl. I find that amount of optical swirl be be a type of character I don't like and my largest dislike about the lens. It's all over the frame. Lower amounts I am fine with. Here are a couple examples:
There is also some FC, on either a stock or modded sensor that will make the corners pop back into focus. The bokeh is better stopped down (in terms of smoothness and FC) than WO.
@Andrew CD Congrats Post some pics to keep this thread popping!
p.21 #16 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Good observations Fred. The Apoqualia definitely has less SA than the Lux and therefore and unsurprisingly more contrast WO. But, I have found the bokeh to be less round because it has a ton of optical vignetting/swirl. I find that amount of optical swirl be be a type of character I don't like and my larget dislike about the lens. It's all over the frame. Lower amounts I am fine with. Here is a couple examples:
There is also some FC, on either a stock or modded sensor that will make the corners pop back into focus. The bokeh is better stopped down (in terms of smoothness and FC) than WO.
@Andrew CD@ Congrats Post some pics to keep this thread popping!
Very interesting. In the other sample you shared, the specular highlights near the edges looked more rounded compared to the Lux pre-asph. Here are your pictures:
PS: I don't think you mislabeled them (the Lux shows more glow, which makes sense) but it's curious that the Apoqualia seems to give a wider angle of view (not sure if you used a tripod at same distance though). That's surprising since MS Optics states it's actually a ~36mm lens, so it should be narrower than the Lux, not wider.
p.21 #17 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
Fred Miranda wrote:
Very interesting. In the other sample you shared, the specular highlights near the edges looked more rounded compared to the Lux pre-asph. Here are your pictures:
I don't think you mislabeled them (the Lux shows more glow, which makes sense) but it's curious that the Apoqualia seems to give a wider angle of view (not sure if you used a tripod at same distance though). That's surprising since MS Optics states it's actually a 36mm lens, so it should be narrower than the Lux, not wider.
You know what I think? I think you caught that I switched the file names. Good eyes Fred, sorry for the mistake. The contrast on the flannel pocket is higher on the 35 Lux on those two photos, but that is not correct either. It's higher on the Apoqualia. I'll switch the file names.
p.21 #18 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
nehemiahphoto wrote:
You know what I think? I think you caught that I switched the file names. Good eyes Fred, sorry for the mistake. The contrast on the flannel pocket is higher on the 35 Lux on those two photos, but that is not correct either. It's higher on the Apoqualia. I'll switch the file names.
The two names are definately swapped.
That clears things up regarding the optical vignetting and field of view. I'm still a bit unsure about the glow, though...maybe it's due to focus differences. If you look at the shirt scuff, one image is definitely sharper than the other and that should account for the discrepancy.
Your latest dog samples clearly show stronger optical vignetting on the Apoqualia, and as you mentioned, there's more swirl in the rendering that isn't present in the Leica. Interestingly the Voigtlander 35/1.4 Nokton has even lower optical vignetting than the Leica for those who dislike swirling.
p.21 #19 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
To my eyes, I am seeing glow differences depending on where we look in frame. The 35 Apoqualia (top image) has more on the hanger and left wood railing but less on the jacket (centrally). My experience with 35 Apoqualia would line up with this. Noticeably better central than outer frame performance. This again would make sense with the image names being swapped.
And yes, tripod used for all photos.
I have never tried the CV 35/1.4--I need too. Sometimes some amount of swirl can be nice, but in general I don't prefer it.
p.21 #20 · MS-Optics lenses Image and Discussion Thread
I saw a MS-Optics History PETZ 57mm f/2 being offered new after reading the specs I thought this lens would be interesting to use for float planes as I have a project going and I want vintage as the airplanes and as center focus and 3D I can get shooting infinity. The weather was typical Anchorage flat cloudy so color pop is off the table. It is interesting enough to try on sunny day- although that ND filter I just ordered will be needed if I want to continue to shoot at F2.8. Leica M11P.
The peripheral fade does provide an interesting perspective to work with and so different than shooting with Leica 50 apo summicron. Top photo is a bit of a crop in the center while the bottom two are full frame to show center sharpness better.
I've been certainly very happy with mine. Looking forward to seeing your shots with it!
