p.10 #1 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
wrong, you just launched a personal attack, trying to deflect attention away from your failed claims, to make it over who takes the "best" photos.
that's got nothing to do with gear, you just aren't capable of having an adult discussion about gear because you don't have the technical understanding of it.
you don't even know what kind of focus motors your lenses use! zero credibility.
nikon told you that vcm is better, stop trolling sony over tech that both brands use.
Ok, I’m just going to have to hide you. This is kind of unhinged and utterly illogical.
p.10 #3 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
My apologies - the original blunder was on the part of another user, not you:
You kept incessantly trying to defend their bad math, so much so that I had forgotten who had originally posted it.
There is one factor I had failed to consider when comparing the relative systems - the big Nikon telephoto lenses are not actually available, so you save quite a bit of cost and weight going the Nikon route, whereas with Sony you would be bogged down with those exceptionally good 200-600mm, 400mm f2.8, and 600mm f4 lenses.
What are you talking about? A Sony A1 is retails new in the US for $6500. A Z8 retails for $4k. That’s a ~60% difference. If you want to use a different unit of measurement, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make my math wrong.
May 12, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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p.10 #4 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
swldstn wrote:
I like having a mechanical shutter too but an EFCS only in the A1 and a 7 FPS shutter in the A7RV need to be improved if the mechanical shutter is going to be worth having to use in all cases.
no, the a7rv does not have the a1 carbon fiber shutter, it can't do 1/400th-1/500th flash sync, and neither can the r5.
you are posting misleading information about sony, again.
"Among the new tech in the Sony Alpha 1 is its 1/400-sec flash sync speed with its mechanical shutter. Although it's the world’s fastest, the flash sync hasn't received the same attention as some of the other advancements in the Alpha 1. But that kind of speed is poised to make the camera a game-changer for anyone shooting dynamic action with strobes – like sports, wedding and portrait photographers." https://alphauniverse.com/stories/alpha-1-why-fast-flash-sync-matters/
p.10 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
RoamingScott wrote:
I am now seeing about 3 posts per page in this thread
You guys must be having fun!
If you’d like to know more about what AF motor is in a given telephoto lens, but not the effect of such AF motor on making images, let me know. I’ve got the guy for you.
May 12, 2023 at 12:03 PM
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p.10 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
groob wrote:
If you’d like to know more about what AF motor is in a given telephoto lens, but not the effect of such AF motor on making images, let me know. I’ve got the guy for you.
nikon says vcm is better, i think they know more about it than you do, lol
p.10 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
groob wrote:
Concerning my ability to decipher “how any of this works,” you do realize that people can see my photographs, right? And they can decide for themselves whether I know my way around a camera and therefore whether anything I say has credibility. But the same can’t be said for you. All I’ve seen from you is melodramatic statements devoid of evidence. Let’s see your work.
Come on guys, take a look at his images. Even in the heat of spirited debate you have to admit his images are excellent.
p.10 #10 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
groob wrote:
What are you talking about? A Sony A1 is retails new in the US for $6500. A Z8 retails for $4k. That’s a ~60% difference. If you want to use a different unit of measurement, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make my math wrong.
But even you acknowledged that we were comparing the A1 to a Z9 when you interjected with your pricing gaffe:
groob wrote:
You do realize that an A1 is 60% more expensive, right? Again, please show me the photo that an A1 could capture but a Z9 couldn’t.
p.10 #11 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
But even you acknowledged that we were comparing the A1 to a Z9 when you interjected with your pricing gaffe:
You couldn't even copy the dynamic range of the Z8 AF detection range correctly from the Nikon spec sheet, you shouldn't be so quick to cling to gaffes
Thanks, Steve. I just want to reiterate that the only reason I referenced seeing one’s photos is so that there is some level of credibility attached to opinions, whether good or bad. I’m not here to insult another person’s work or turn this into a pissing contest.
p.10 #15 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
no, the a7rv does not have the a1 carbon fiber shutter, it can't do 1/400th-1/500th flash sync, and neither can the r5.
you are posting misleading information about sony, again.
"Among the new tech in the Sony Alpha 1 is its 1/400-sec flash sync speed with its mechanical shutter. Although it's the world’s fastest, the flash sync hasn't received the same attention as some of the other advancements in the Alpha 1. But that kind of speed is poised to make the camera a game-changer for anyone shooting dynamic action with strobes – like sports, wedding and portrait photographers." https://alphauniverse.com/stories/alpha-1-why-fast-flash-sync-matters/
I’m talking frames per second for burst capture and your talking shutter speed for flash speed. Two different thing but both important depending on what the usage is. The A1 1/400 s for flash speed is great but it still is an EFCS Only and not a traditional two curtain mechanical shutter so it can affect Bocah depending on aperture. It is carbon fiber that makes it very robust. The A7RV and many other Sonys are true combo types supporting both two curtain and EFCS so it can be used in full mechanical to reduce its impact on Bocah but can cause more self vibration at some shutter speeds than in Electronic First Curtain. The manual and menus only have EFCS enable/disable on A7RV.
All that said I was referring to frame rates and not shutter speed. Sorry for the confusion.
p.10 #16 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
RoamingScott wrote:
You couldn't even copy the dynamic range of the Z8 AF detection range correctly from the Nikon spec sheet, you shouldn't be so quick to cling to gaffes
At least I acknowledged that what I originally posted was wrong in that instance.
p.10 #17 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Isn’t this fun. Specs should be easy to compare since thy are measurable. Their significance or value can still be open to value but that is often colored by every individual using a product. Let’s keep the name calling out of the discussion. If you think a capability, feature, specification is important or you value it be prepared to explain why since we pay for each and everyone. We don’t all value the same things or can’t all afford the same thing.
Fact. The new Nikon Z8 is $2500 less expensive than the Sony a1 and for many that savings is significant and allows them to buy a very nice lens or other key capability or buy their kids school lunch for a school year. Don’t judge. Thank you.
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p.10 #18 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
swldstn wrote:
I’m talking frames per second for burst capture and your talking shutter speed for flash speed. Two different thing but both important depending on what the usage is. The A1 1/400 s for flash speed is great but it still is an EFCS Only and not a traditional two curtain mechanical shutter so it can affect Bocah depending on aperture. It is carbon fiber that makes it very robust. The A7RV and many other Sonys are true combo types supporting both two curtain and EFCS so it can be used in full mechanical to reduce its impact on Bocah but can cause more self vibration at some shutter speeds than in Electronic First Curtain. The manual and menus only have EFCS enable/disable on A7RV.
All that said I was referring to frame rates and not shutter speed. Sorry for the confusion.
p.10 #19 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
groob wrote:
I’m not here to insult another person’s work or turn this into a pissing contest.
Too late!!
May 12, 2023 at 01:06 PM
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p.10 #20 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
swldstn wrote:
I’m talking frames per second for burst capture and your talking shutter speed for flash speed. Two different thing but both important depending on what the usage is. The A1 1/400 s for flash speed is great but it still is an EFCS Only and not a traditional two curtain mechanical shutter so it can affect Bocah depending on aperture. It is carbon fiber that makes it very robust. The A7RV and many other Sonys are true combo types supporting both two curtain and EFCS so it can be used in full mechanical to reduce its impact on Bocah but can cause more self vibration at some shutter speeds than in Electronic First Curtain. The manual and menus only have EFCS enable/disable on A7RV.
All that said I was referring to frame rates and not shutter speed. Sorry for the confusion.
as i understand it flash is preferred with an efcs shutter, it can enable a faster sync speed, so there are advantages to it.
the other problem is that you don't need mechanical shutter with the a1, like you would with a7rv/r5, so quoting r5 12fps with the m.s. doesn't mean anything in the context of a1 shooting, since the a1 doesn't have rolling shutter distortion.
wrt electronic shutters, the r5 will have less distortion than the a7rv, but for best results neither camera is the best choice for ball sports, so 7fps vs. 12fps isn't much of a factor.
