p.9 #1 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
The L brackets for the A1 withe battery grip is still $230 from RRS. It was much higher 2 years ago when it ame out for earlier Sonys that took the VG-C4EM.
I personally never use the grip with an L-bracket. For me L-brackets imply tripod shooting where the grip is just a pain. Why would you use the L-bracket with a grip?
May 12, 2023 at 09:00 AM
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p.9 #2 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
you already proved that you don't even have any idea what focus motors are in your own lenses, so you don't have any basis for forming a valid opinion about how any of it works.
you are just out here trying to troll sony, and it's failing.
p.9 #3 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
Sorry, for me the Z8 plus the 400 f/4.5S plus the 1.4X TC I am pretty sure I will much prefer over my current A1 plus 200-600.
Let's look at weight and size. The Nikon combo is 2290g (that is camera, plus TC, plus lens) and the front of the lens is just 253mm from the lens mount. My A1 plus 200-600 G combo is 2852g (that is well over a 500g heavier) and it is 318mm from the lens mount (or 65mm longer). So the Nikon system is clearly a lot lighter and smaller now that there is a Z8.
Let's talk price (these are new prices from B & H).
The Nikon system is $3999 for the camera, $3,000 for the lens and $547 for the TC that is a total cost of $7,546 for the system.
The Sony system is $6,498 for the camera, and $1,898 (on sale right now) for the lens for a total cost of $8,396 for the system.
So the Nikon system is lighter, smaller, and cheaper. It also at 400mm has a stop faster aperture and if you look on the Nikon board can produce some pretty stellar images.
For me and what I shoot it isn't even close. I prefer the Nikon system here. Of course YMMV....Show more →
You could easily make the case that paying 10% more is worth it for a more versatile lens (stuck with only 2 focal lengths on the Nikon setup as described) and faster/longer shooting A1. Maybe a clear winner for your use case but not an obvious winner on paper as a neutral.
p.9 #4 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
So the Nikon system is lighter, smaller, and cheaper. It also at 400mm has a stop faster aperture and if you look on the Nikon board can produce some pretty stellar images.
These are some of the same considerations I made for my choice to go with the 70-200GMII + 2xTC for my 400mm option. It's smaller, lighter, more ergonomic and easier to use in the field. I tried a 200-600G last weekend and it's also just too long and cumbersome to use. It's awkward and make me feel out of place. A 400mm lens with a 'mild' aperture makes more sense to me in this scenario too. A TC can make the difference there too if you do want/need reach.
p.9 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
RoamingScott wrote:
You could easily make the case that paying 10% more is worth it for a more versatile lens (stuck with only 2 focal lengths on the Nikon setup as described) and faster/longer shooting A1. Maybe a clear winner for your use case but not an obvious winner on paper as a neutral.
Yeh, comparing a prime setup with a zoom setup is kind of weird. You either need the versatility of the zoom or the weight savings of the prime. Comparing one against the other makes no sense.
p.9 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
duncang wrote:
Of course it is possible to capture any image you want with those camera's - but I don't have two lifetimes in which to try - in fact I don't even have on whole one left - and that's why I choose Sony.
Oh and don't forget to download these and view on a 5K display with a native image viewer for the very best result.
Gorgeous and inspiring images 👍🏼👍🏼 *That mosquito didn't have a chance...
p.9 #7 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
chez wrote:
Yeh, comparing a prime setup with a zoom setup is kind of weird. You either need the versatility of the zoom or the weight savings of the prime. Comparing one against the other makes no sense.
I mean, it KIND of does, if your subjects are very limited. The discussion is basically "what's the most convenient way to get close to 600 without buying a 600mm prime". My 100-400 is usually pinned at 560 when I'm out shooting birds. In that case the 400/4.5 + TC would be the "better" choice. However, if I'm driving back from birding and hit a scene where 200 works, I simply get out of the car and shoot it. In that case, my money was better spent on the zoom, even if I'm not using the zoom at all while birding.
p.9 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
RoamingScott wrote:
I mean, it KIND of does, if your subjects are very limited. The discussion is basically "what's the most convenient way to get close to 600 without buying a 600mm prime". My 100-400 is usually pinned at 560 when I'm out shooting birds. In that case the 400/4.5 + TC would be the "better" choice. However, if I'm driving back from birding and hit a scene where 200 works, I simply get out of the car and shoot it. In that case, my money was better spent on the zoom, even if I'm not using the zoom at all while birding....Show more →
I thought the discussion was about the lack of a 200-600 from Nikon. That is why I find it odd comparing a prime with the zoom.
p.9 #9 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
My head hurts after reading through this...The z8 looks like a bad A$$ camera! I have never shot Nikon but if this was on the market when I snagged the A7rV, I might have gone this direction!
No reason to change but would love to try one out.
p.9 #10 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
you already proved that you don't even have any idea what focus motors are in your own lenses, so you don't have any basis for forming a valid opinion about how any of it works.
you are just out here trying to troll sony, and it's failing.
I’m not trolling Sony. I admire Sony and am very grateful that they’ve pushed the boundaries of photographic gear. Without Sony, we’d have nowhere near the current levels of innovation. In this thread, I’ve merely countered unsupported hyperbole with practical reality.
Concerning my ability to decipher “how any of this works,” you do realize that people can see my photographs, right? And they can decide for themselves whether I know my way around a camera and therefore whether anything I say has credibility. But the same can’t be said for you. All I’ve seen from you is melodramatic statements devoid of evidence. Let’s see your work.
p.9 #11 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
Let's talk price (these are new prices from B & H).
This reminded me of the "elephant in the room" when it comes to Nikon gear users in Canada... historically, Nikon Canada has considered gear purchased from outside the country to be "grey market" and won't warranty it or even service it, so that should be factored into your price calculations.
p.9 #12 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
groob wrote:
Let’s see your work.
Ditto…
May 12, 2023 at 09:52 AM
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p.9 #13 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
groob wrote:
In this thread, I’ve merely countered unsupported hyperbole with practical reality.
no, you've made stupid claims about gear and technologies that you've never used, and even worse you don't even know which focus motors your own lenses have.
now you are trying to deflect from your own ignorant claims by launching personal attacks over who takes the best pictures, which has nothing to do with a gear discussion.
p.9 #14 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
osv2 wrote:
no, you've made stupid claims about gear and technologies that you've never used, and even worse you don't even know which focus motors your own lenses have.
now you are trying to deflect from your own ignorant claims by launching personal attacks over who takes the best pictures, which has nothing to do with a gear discussion.
you need to get over your nikon gear insecurity.
Ha. Ok man, if you believe it is a positive contribution to constantly cite check the differences in camera gear specifications and correct people’s innocuous mistakes when they discuss technical specifications, you do you. But I have to say, I cannot for the life of me understand where you’re coming from. We’re literally discussing photography gear, which is only useful or interesting because it captures photographic images.
You constantly espouse very strongly held opinions on how well certain photography gear works, and yet you say that images are not relevant when you’re asked to support your very strongly held opinions with evidence. That’s literally how this works. People need reasons to trust the opinion of another person. In the photographic context, credibility comes through images. All I’ve asked to see is images to determine if any of your claims are credible and worthy of consideration. As for me, I’ve noted that a sample of my images are linked in two places on my profile. People are free to view those and determine whether anything I say has credibility.
p.9 #15 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
freaklikeme wrote:
I think it looks like a great camera if you need those specs. I don't think Nikon's in a position to put any kind of pressure on Sony or Canon right now. What they're doing with their product and pricing strategy would need to work in drawing in significant numbers of new users before they get that kind of leverage. Hopefully, those efforts will pay off for them.
I do think they've got something of an uphill battle for themselves with the shutterless cameras. I know that the stacked sensor is fast enough that, with some situational care, I could make it work without issue. I know that, but I'd still rather have one for the times when it's easier to use and I don't have to worry about the noise....Show more →
I like having a mechanical shutter too but an EFCS only in the A1 and a 7 FPS shutter in the A7RV need to be improved if the mechanical shutter is going to be worth having to use in all cases. Canon’s 12 FPS on the EOS R5 I think is a better approach but I’m not sure of its details or limitations. Even though I use EFCS by default when using mechanical I was surprised to learn green A1 an A7C only have EFCS and no full two curtain version.
May 12, 2023 at 10:41 AM
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p.9 #16 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
RoamingScott wrote:
You could easily make the case that paying 10% more is worth it for a more versatile lens (stuck with only 2 focal lengths on the Nikon setup as described) and faster/longer shooting A1. Maybe a clear winner for your use case but not an obvious winner on paper as a neutral.
Hey if you love zooms then a 200-600 beats a 400 prime every time. That is not me and regarding versatility having the opportunity to shot at 400mm at a stop wider aperture adds a lot of versatility for me that the zoom just does not provide. These are personal decisions, but my personal decision is quite reasonable to me.
p.9 #17 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
Hey if you love zooms then a 200-600 beats a 400 prime every time. That is not me and regarding versatility having the opportunity to shot at 400mm at a stop wider aperture adds a lot of versatility for me that the zoom just does not provide. These are personal decisions, but my personal decision is quite reasonable to me.
That makes sense. You basically want a 600mm prime and this is your way of getting there, where others might want the zoom lengths leading up to 600 in the same lens. If you don't need those, no reason to get a zoom.
Since Sony doesn't offer primes like the 400/4.5, we have to compare against what glass they do have, so the 200-600 becomes the obvious one.
p.9 #18 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
But you don't need the grip version of the L-bracket for an A1... you're really clutching at straws trying to make up for your earlier mathematical blunder.
What mathematical blunder is that? Please explain to put me on what you consider the right path?
If I’m asked to compare to a z9 I always compare to a A1 with grip and second battery to equalize battery life or support of a long lens like a 600mm f/4. I prefer a grip so that is how I make my personal comparison. Have used one on my Canon bodies as well back with the 1Dx , D5 or any gripped professional body. and use a grip on my Sony A7x, A7Rx, A9x, and A1’s. I also use them without a grip and if the grips are done right prefer that flexibility of a removable grip. The Kirk L bracket on the Z9 is $250. But often use just bottom plates as well at $70. When looking at the new Z8 I compare it to the A1 without a grip or to the A7RV as well since I own that body also.
p.9 #19 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
swldstn wrote:
What mathematical blunder is that? Please explain to put me on what you consider the right path?
My apologies - the original blunder was on the part of another user, not you:
groob wrote:
You do realize that an A1 is 60% more expensive, right?
You kept incessantly trying to defend their bad math, so much so that I had forgotten who had originally posted it.
There is one factor I had failed to consider when comparing the relative systems - the big Nikon telephoto lenses are not actually available, so you save quite a bit of cost and weight going the Nikon route, whereas with Sony you would be bogged down with those exceptionally good 200-600mm, 400mm f2.8, and 600mm f4 lenses.
May 12, 2023 at 11:48 AM
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p.9 #20 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
wrong, you just launched a personal attack, trying to deflect attention away from your failed claims, to make it over who takes the "best" photos.
that's got nothing to do with gear, you just aren't capable of having an adult discussion about gear because you don't have the technical understanding of it.
you don't even know what kind of focus motors your lenses use! zero credibility.
nikon told you that vcm is better, stop trolling sony over tech that both brands use.
