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 p.62 #7 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera! | |
Henceforth, you will be ignored - in the echo chamber ignoring facts, inventing yet more myths.... to distort reality into a made up history elevating Sony into some mythical status. Your content is untrustworthy. I for one have read far too much of your preaching in this Nikon forum.
Your reply confirms it is pointless attempting to acquaint you with the real world status of the Z6 and Z7 cameras.
In a word, the reality is clear Excellence. For more context, those readers interested in the genuine status of the Z6 and Z7, here's 3 more quotes from Thom Hogan. The updates to his respective reviews refer - appended. As we know, he stands apart in qualified experience as a reviewer (and one who writes detailed ebooks) in comparing the mirrorless across the major brands (Canon, Fuji, Sony, and Nikon). It's of some pertinence, too, to note this opening context:
"....Seriously, this makes a difference in how you evaluate what Nikon's done. The engineering team in Tokyo has had seven years and eleven models to explore how a mirrorless camera should be put together, how it should work, and how it performs. And if you remember what I wrote back in 2011, Nikon put some of their top designers (from the D3 team) on the Nikon 1. They've done the same once again with the Z series cameras.
So we come to context: Nikon should know how to make an excellent mirrorless camera. They've had plenty of experience, and they've continued migrating their top DSLR designers over to help design these mirrorless cameras.
It doesn't seem like those designers had their hands tied, either...."
"Almost two years later: I didn't change much with this edited version of the review. The firmware updates made a few differences to things I wrote, but not substantively. A very good camera simply became better."
https://www.zsystemuser.com/z-mount-cameras/nikon-z-camera-reviews/nikon-z6-camera-review.html
"Over a year later: I didn't change much with this edited version of the review. The firmware updates made a few differences to things I wrote, but not substantively. A very good camera just became better. Both for stills (autofocus) and video (raw support)."
https://www.zsystemuser.com/z-mount-cameras/nikon-z-camera-reviews/nikon-z6-camera-review.html
1bwana1 wrote:
I don't think many are threatened by such things. I think most are happy when their fellow photographers find equipment that bring them enjoyment. I know I am.
This is a cheap and tired tatict to try and associate those with differing opinions with great evil. It adds nothing to the discussion. You can do better.
The statement about the Z6/7 camera sales "underperforming" came from Nikon leadership itself. I give them more credibility than any reviewer, user, website, YouTuber.
You seem to keep confusing "market share" with "market shrinkage". All companies suffered from general market shrinkage. Nikon lost a disproportionate amount of "market share". In fact, Nikon held on to its DSLR 2nd place "market share" position against Canon throughout the "market shrinkage". However, in mirrorless "market share" it fell to 5th place behind former small players, while at the same time Sony and Canon both grew their mirrorless market share. Nikon's growth in mirrorless was unable to replace its position in market share as Canon was able to do. This was based on Nikon's offering in mirrorless at the time, which were primarily the Z6/7. That is a set of statistics the entirely support the "underperforming" statement by Nikon. It is what mattered to the executive team at Nikon. The rest of you discussion is just chaff.
You also mischaracterize my use of the term "disaster" as saying the cameras are a disaster. It is true that I personally disliked the Z6/7, and was disappointed by my purchase of one. But that is a disaster in no ones book. No, the disaster I reference is the loss of market share, long lasting financial damage which amounted to billions of dollars between write downs, relocations, layoffs, and market capitalization, which Nikon suffered by being late to, and uncompetitive in the mirrorless market. Although the excellent Z8/9 releases are mitigating some of this, much remains, and there still is recovery needing to happen.
Your evaluation of facts, and the reliability of reviewers, seems to be entirely based on whether they agree with you. You will notice that you quote almost exclusively Nikon advocate websites, while I am referencing statements by actual company insiders. Big difference in credibility there.
The statement that Nikon weather sealing is excellent is not being contested by me. I believe it to be the best. But, the market demonstrated that buyers of cameras didn't place this attribute higher than other areas where the Nikon mirrorless cameras trailed the industry. This once again confirmed by market share data.
I agree on this, and in some uses like wildlife, first on that list in my opinion.
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You know of course that both things being discussed in this conversation can be true. Nikon could have been late to the mirrorless party. This mistake could have hurt Nikon financially, and delayed the release of truly competitive mirrorless offerings. Nikon could have also made some excellent long term choices, and over time ended up producing a World class mirrorless ecosystem I think the nIkon Z lens line supports this, and the Z8/Z9 cameras also fit into this excellence standard. In my opinion. This is the mostly likely summary of what has taken place.
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