p.18 #1 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
Rimpson wrote:
Not a swallow but there is a short window in getting these in the frame.....especially banking. Probably my favorite Z9 shot so far. This is the kind of image that I envisioned the Z9 helping me get. Still trying different AF settings and can not say I have a favorite yet. This was with Auto/Animal.
p.18 #2 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
Royal Spoonbill with the rock star hairdo - breeding plumage. He put on quite a display. The first shots are from the 500 f5.6 pF and the last few from the Z 100-400 f4.5-5.6 VR S.
Z9 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/3200s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso450
Z9 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso640
Z9 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso450
Z9 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso450
Z9 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso280
Z9 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso450
Z9 + Z 100-400 f4.5-5.6 VR S, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso450
Z9 + Z 100-400 f4.5-5.6 VR S, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso360
Z9 + Z 100-400 f4.5-5.6 VR S, 1/1250s f/5.6 at 400.0mm iso450
p.18 #3 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
Lance B wrote:
Royal Spoonbill with the rock star hairdo - breeding plumage. He put on quite a display. The first shots are from the 500 f5.6 pF and the last few from the Z 100-400 f4.5-5.6 VR S.
p.18 #5 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
Beautiful shots, Lance.
Lately, especially while I used Z9 wiht 50/1.2 and other lenses for street and cityscape, looking at the raw file, I really think that the files looked quite different from Z7 ii, in favor of Z9 but I can't quite put my fingers on what it is exactly. Looking at first few shots from 50/1.2s really made me think that the rendering is not quite what I usually get from Z7 ii with 50/1.2s even. May be it is just new toy syndrome or honeymoon period, perhaps. Just wonder if anyone else notice anything like this or am I just imagining things.
Of course may be it is just that Nikon revamp image engine in Expeed7 or may be there is something about the sensor, I don't really know.
PS I am not talking about resolution, noise, dynamic range, but I felt that when I went from D7100 to D810, overall tonality and rendering were quite similar. There was a big change in D500/D850 from D810. Z7/Z7ii aren't much different from D850 but now with Z9, look like there is another change here.
p.18 #6 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
suteetat wrote:
Beautiful shots, Lance.
Lately, especially while I used Z9 wiht 50/1.2 and other lenses for street and cityscape, looking at the raw file, I really think that the files looked quite different from Z7 ii, in favor of Z9 but I can't quite put my fingers on what it is exactly. Looking at first few shots from 50/1.2s really made me think that the rendering is quite what I usually get from Z7 ii with 50/1.2s even. May be it is just new toy syndrome or honeymoon period, perhaps. Just wonder if anyone else notice anything like this or am I just imagining things.
Of course may be it is just that Nikon revamp image engine in Expeed7 or may be there is something about the sensor, I don't really know.
PS I am not talking about resolution, noise, dynamic range, but I felt that when I went from D7100 to D810, overall tonality and rendering were quite similar. There was a big change in D500/D850 from D810. Z7/Z7ii aren't much different from D850 but now with Z9, look like there is another change here. ...Show more →
Thank you very much, Suteetat!🙂
I think you may be right but I need to check more out. I think my 50 f1.2 may help me decide but I haven't used it yet. Like most Z9 owners, we've all been busily checking AF tracking etc. However, we forget that we really need to check the other aspects as well. I'll make a point of slapping on the 50f1.2 etc and see if I can see a difference.🙂
p.18 #7 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
Last weekend I made an amazing discovery regarding the Z9. It can be used to shoot things other than birds... and... even more surprising... it can be shot with a manual focus lens too. :-)
p.18 #9 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
I'm unable to comprehend the what/why yet but I'm also noticing some subtle differences between the Z9/850. When I use my camera in my normal testing place ( balcony) i kinda dial-in my exposure compensation without even looking at my camera (D850) because I know exactly how the metering worked. I used the same approach and quickly dialled in a negative exposure compensation while shooting against a dark BG and was surprised to see the images were slightly underexposed. I feel the metering on the Z9 is slightly different and more accurate. Also, I'm doing very minimal post processing than what I do with the D850. Thought it was too early to conclude anything as you said it could be just the initial excitement. suteetat wrote:
Beautiful shots, Lance.
Lately, especially while I used Z9 wiht 50/1.2 and other lenses for street and cityscape, looking at the raw file, I really think that the files looked quite different from Z7 ii, in favor of Z9 but I can't quite put my fingers on what it is exactly. Looking at first few shots from 50/1.2s really made me think that the rendering is not quite what I usually get from Z7 ii with 50/1.2s even. May be it is just new toy syndrome or honeymoon period, perhaps. Just wonder if anyone else notice anything like this or am I just imagining things.
Of course may be it is just that Nikon revamp image engine in Expeed7 or may be there is something about the sensor, I don't really know.
PS I am not talking about resolution, noise, dynamic range, but I felt that when I went from D7100 to D810, overall tonality and rendering were quite similar. There was a big change in D500/D850 from D810. Z7/Z7ii aren't much different from D850 but now with Z9, look like there is another change here. ...Show more →
p.18 #10 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
Couple of images of a bird of prey named Shikra. Almost the size of a pigeon and flight pattern is like a kestrel. All shot with Z9, 500mm F4E FL with TC1.4 at 700mm.
p.18 #11 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
I know there are more stills folks here, and many that don't care about video. But for anyone that does, Gerald Undone has a very positive review of the video capabilities of the Z9.
p.18 #13 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
suteetat wrote:
Beautiful shots, Lance.
Lately, especially while I used Z9 wiht 50/1.2 and other lenses for street and cityscape, looking at the raw file, I really think that the files looked quite different from Z7 ii, in favor of Z9 but I can't quite put my fingers on what it is exactly. Looking at first few shots from 50/1.2s really made me think that the rendering is not quite what I usually get from Z7 ii with 50/1.2s even. May be it is just new toy syndrome or honeymoon period, perhaps. Just wonder if anyone else notice anything like this or am I just imagining things.
Of course may be it is just that Nikon revamp image engine in Expeed7 or may be there is something about the sensor, I don't really know.
PS I am not talking about resolution, noise, dynamic range, but I felt that when I went from D7100 to D810, overall tonality and rendering were quite similar. There was a big change in D500/D850 from D810. Z7/Z7ii aren't much different from D850 but now with Z9, look like there is another change here. ...Show more →
Despite what is often claimed: that when shooting raw, any camera can be made to look the same, also in their raw output camera sensors can look inherently different. I experienced that going from the Sony A7RII to the A7RIV, and I can also see it in the few raw samples of the Z9 that I downloaded vs. the Z7 (I had the original Z7).
In fact, I did not really like the raw files from the Z7+500PF. That is subjective perhaps, but the raw files of the Z9 have made me think again. The only way to shoot a Z9 for me is with the 500 and coming 800pf lenses, because otherwise the weight of the Z9 is a showstopper.
Now someone only has to tell me which would be the better option:
Nikon Z9 + 500PF + 800PF, or,
Sony A7RIVA + 600GM
p.18 #14 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
bernardl wrote:
Last weekend I made an amazing discovery regarding the Z9. It can be used to shoot things other than birds... and... even more surprising... it can be shot with a manual focus lens too. :-)
Thank you for the non-bird photos! I love the birds, and plan to use my Z9 heavily for that, but it's also going to share time with my X-T4 as my general-purpose camera, and I'm excited to see how much of an improvement it is over my Z6 for general-purpose photography. I'm really excited for the electronic shutter, in particular, especially for macrophotography.
p.18 #15 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
suteetat wrote:
Beautiful shots, Lance.
Lately, especially while I used Z9 wiht 50/1.2 and other lenses for street and cityscape, looking at the raw file, I really think that the files looked quite different from Z7 ii, in favor of Z9 but I can't quite put my fingers on what it is exactly. Looking at first few shots from 50/1.2s really made me think that the rendering is not quite what I usually get from Z7 ii with 50/1.2s even. May be it is just new toy syndrome or honeymoon period, perhaps. Just wonder if anyone else notice anything like this or am I just imagining things.
Of course may be it is just that Nikon revamp image engine in Expeed7 or may be there is something about the sensor, I don't really know.
PS I am not talking about resolution, noise, dynamic range, but I felt that when I went from D7100 to D810, overall tonality and rendering were quite similar. There was a big change in D500/D850 from D810. Z7/Z7ii aren't much different from D850 but now with Z9, look like there is another change here. ...Show more →
I don't doubt the rendering is different, and that's exciting to me, but it's not the picture styles settings between your cameras, is it? If you use a RAW processor that leverages Nikon's JPEG settings, that is, of course.
I shoot JPEG sometimes, and Nikon's sharpening settings in particular can make some pretty nice JPEGs when you dial it in.
p.18 #16 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
A1 + 600 GM
ChrisMak wrote:
Despite what is often claimed: that when shooting raw, any camera can be made to look the same, also in their raw output camera sensors can look inherently different. I experienced that going from the Sony A7RII to the A7RIV, and I can also see it in the few raw samples of the Z9 that I downloaded vs. the Z7 (I had the original Z7).
In fact, I did not really like the raw files from the Z7+500PF. That is subjective perhaps, but the raw files of the Z9 have made me think again. The only way to shoot a Z9 for me is with the 500 and coming 800pf lenses, because otherwise the weight of the Z9 is a showstopper.
Now someone only has to tell me which would be the better option:
Nikon Z9 + 500PF + 800PF, or,
Sony A7RIVA + 600GM ...Show more →
p.18 #17 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
ChrisMak wrote:
Despite what is often claimed: that when shooting raw, any camera can be made to look the same, also in their raw output camera sensors can look inherently different. I experienced that going from the Sony A7RII to the A7RIV, and I can also see it in the few raw samples of the Z9 that I downloaded vs. the Z7 (I had the original Z7).
In fact, I did not really like the raw files from the Z7+500PF. That is subjective perhaps, but the raw files of the Z9 have made me think again. The only way to shoot a Z9 for me is with the 500 and coming 800pf lenses, because otherwise the weight of the Z9 is a showstopper.
Now someone only has to tell me which would be the better option:
Nikon Z9 + 500PF + 800PF, or,
Sony A7RIVA + 600GM ...Show more →
Why is the weight of the Z9 a showstopper when you're using it with those lenses above? The 800PF will be lighter than the 800mm f5.6FL but it's not going to be what people expect in terms of size and cost for that matter. Because it's a 800 f6.3PF. The f6.3 will make the front pretty huge.
Do you think you'll notice any difference if you take a smaller body camera and mount a massive superteles like the 600mm than a pro body camera? If anything, I want the probody weight to counter balance the long and (front) heavy superteles.
Also, I don't like to weigh my options with something that does not exist(800PF). By the time it's announced and available, something else is probably on the horizon.
p.18 #19 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
ChrisMak wrote:
Despite what is often claimed: that when shooting raw, any camera can be made to look the same, also in their raw output camera sensors can look inherently different. I experienced that going from the Sony A7RII to the A7RIV, and I can also see it in the few raw samples of the Z9 that I downloaded vs. the Z7 (I had the original Z7).
In fact, I did not really like the raw files from the Z7+500PF. That is subjective perhaps, but the raw files of the Z9 have made me think again. The only way to shoot a Z9 for me is with the 500 and coming 800pf lenses, because otherwise the weight of the Z9 is a showstopper.
Now someone only has to tell me which would be the better option:
Nikon Z9 + 500PF + 800PF, or,
Sony A7RIVA + 600GM ...Show more →
I would think A1 would be a much better competing choice to Z9 than A7r IVa. I do have A7r IV and its AF is nowhere near the capability of Z9. Its laggy EVF is also no contest and its high iso won't be nearly as good. for action/wildlife, I don't think the extra 15 mp is worth the drop in AF/EVF performance. In a grand scheme of things, A7r IV is much closer to Z7 ii than to Z9, I think. One rumor I heard is that Z8 will be a high MP body but with stacked sensor. It won't be as fast as Z9 but if true and if you don't need 20+ FPS, it could be a nice compromise as it should still offer excellent AF coupled with blackout free EVF. However, it is only rumor so far so we will have to wait and see.
I am eagerly waiting to hear about the weight of the new 400/2.8s. I think if you use 3kg lens, Z9 make a lot of sense as it will be more comfortable to use with bigger grip. Of course you can add grip to A1 but by that time, weight won't be much of an issue. It is more of a problem when you attach say 50/1.8s, 35/1.8s etc then weight of Z9 can be a bit more annoying
With 50/1.2s, Noct 58/.95, yes, they weight a ton but much better balance and easier on the hand than using these lenses with Z7 ii.
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CKrueger wrote:
I don't doubt the rendering is different, and that's exciting to me, but it's not the picture styles settings between your cameras, is it? If you use a RAW processor that leverages Nikon's JPEG settings, that is, of course.
I shoot JPEG sometimes, and Nikon's sharpening settings in particular can make some pretty nice JPEGs when you dial it in.
I shoot RAW only I have the camera sent 2mp jpg from raw file sometimes to my phone automatically for some social media use. For that purpose, Z9 is excellent and does not require much post processing at all except for bright background type situation.
p.18 #20 · Z9 and Z8 ! : A thread for Z9/Z8 images and *discussion*
this is me wrote:
Why is the weight of the Z9 a showstopper when you're using it with those lenses above? The 800PF will be lighter than the 800mm f5.6FL but it's not going to be what people expect in terms of size and cost for that matter. Because it's a 800 f6.3PF. The f6.3 will make the front pretty huge.
Do you think you'll notice any difference if you take a smaller body camera and mount a massive superteles like the 600mm than a pro body camera? If anything, I want the probody weight to counter balance the long and (front) heavy superteles.
Also, I don't like to weigh my options with something that does not exist(800PF). By the time it's announced and available, something else is probably on the horizon. ...Show more →
The Z9 weight is a showstopper for me with lenses ๓ther than the 500 and 800pf lenses. Like my Sigma 500/4, which is just about ok to shoot handheld on the ungripped D500. Put it with a ftz adapter on the Z9 and it is beyond handholding for me.
The Sony 600GM is 3kg, and on my A7RIV, is is well within handholding territory for me. I never use tripods or monopods, so for me portability and being able to shoot a combo handheld is an absolute must. The Z9 can be a showstopper, but the pf lenses can come to the rescue. Without the 500 and coming 800 pf, I would have sold all Nikon gear already to move over to Sony.
