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p.47 #1Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
According to figures bandied about by YouTubers, the high efficiency raw files are smaller than the raw files I get from the Z6. Of course, I don't think COne supports the files yet, but that's pretty impressive.
JadedWriter wrote:
I have mine on 15 fps...thing can cap off 1000 plus images really quickly. I'm assuming 512gb should be enough, but we shoot very different things. So good luck on that one. I haven't found XQD card buffer to be that limiting, then again I'm kind of stuttery on on the firing. I don't hold it down for that long.
As I said, I had 10 mins after setting it up before I had to drive back to work so backyard finches were it. I'll be stress testing this thing like crazy come tomorrow....95% BIF....hoodies, buffies, wigeons, pintails, blackbirds, pigeons, kingfisher and whatever raptors I can find.I just hope the 512GB CFex card that Pius lent me is going to be enough room
Otherwise I'm resorting to my XQD cards
JadedWriter wrote:
I have mine on 15 fps...thing can cap off 1000 plus images really quickly. I'm assuming 512gb should be enough, but we shoot very different things. So good luck on that one. I haven't found XQD card buffer to be that limiting, then again I'm kind of stuttery on on the firing. I don't hold it down for that long.
arbitrage wrote
JadedWriter wrote
Oh don't worry, I knew that was just you quick glancing the camera. I expect the true test to be after the backyard stuff.arbitrage wrote
JadedWriter wrote
True. I guess we're just basically stress testing this thing in our own ways.arbitrage wrote
Well if I'd found AF negatives after 10mins of shooting finches on clean perches with distant OOF background then we'd really have some problems.Otherwise I'm resorting to my XQD cards
Jan 13, 2022 at 06:57 PM
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gdsf2 wrote:
Not me. I expect he will be as honest and straight forward as he always is. He will give the camera a fair trial. I am expecting predominately very good results, mixed with a few minor criticism that will be based on preferences, and a few real issues. Hopefully the FM Nikon community will accept both the praises and criticism with grace.Now we have heard from his publicist.
And the critics. 😆
1bwana1 wrote
JadedWriter wrote
Was actually expecting your first post about it to be negative, cool.And the critics. 😆
Jan 14, 2022 at 12:20 AM
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this is me wrote:
Remember, Thom Hogan got 97% hit rate on his Z9. If you’re not getting better than that, you’re holding it wrong.
Hogan said you can expect 80-90% of the images in focus when he was discussing bursts of bird-in-flight images with either A1 or Z9. I don't know where the 97% comes from, perhaps of all images, including other subjects that aren't as quick?
arbitrage wrote
I ran home from work to get the package off of my front doorstep. Had about 10 mins to shoot my backyard finches coming and going from the feeder. What can I say, it feels like a nice Nikon in the hand, BEAF was snappy and worked good on the finches. Too dreary to try any flight shots with a f/5.6 lens. I'll be out for the next 3 days testing it thoroughly. Battery at ~16% so plugged it in and should be ready for when I get home this evening to finish setting it up (I got it about 90% setup quickly before firing at the finches)..Hogan said you can expect 80-90% of the images in focus when he was discussing bursts of bird-in-flight images with either A1 or Z9. I don't know where the 97% comes from, perhaps of all images, including other subjects that aren't as quick?
Jan 14, 2022 at 02:17 AM
p.47 #4Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
Jan 14, 2022 at 09:27 AM
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loudtiger wrote:
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
If you have any desire for one, just get on a preorder list now, you won't get billed till shipping.
And better to go through a smaller local shop than B&H, or you'll be waiting 4x as long.
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
If you have any desire for one, just get on a preorder list now, you won't get billed till shipping.
And better to go through a smaller local shop than B&H, or you'll be waiting 4x as long.
Jan 14, 2022 at 09:30 AM
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loudtiger wrote:
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
Not that long. I would bet early fall. But this is a guess.
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
Not that long. I would bet early fall. But this is a guess.
Jan 14, 2022 at 09:32 AM
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loudtiger wrote:
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
There are some for sale on the B&S board here at FM, and prices are continuing to come down. Especially if you would be paying tax for one at your local dealer, this may be a reasonable option for someone who would like to be shooting with it now rather than waiting a year.
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?
There are some for sale on the B&S board here at FM, and prices are continuing to come down. Especially if you would be paying tax for one at your local dealer, this may be a reasonable option for someone who would like to be shooting with it now rather than waiting a year.
Jan 14, 2022 at 09:32 AM
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Ross Martin wrote:
There are some for sale on the B&S board here at FM, and prices are continuing to come down. Especially if you would be paying tax for one at your local dealer, this may be a reasonable option for someone who would like to be shooting with it now rather than waiting a year.
I know everyone has a right to ask any price they want (don’t send me nasty socialist comments) but making a profit by selling a new release camera here on the B&S board at $1000 more than you paid just seems wrong to me. It goes against my sense of what FM is, a community of photographers helping each other. If it were me, and I ended up with a second body, I would return it so somebody else will be able to use it or sell it here at cost plus shipping and fees. But that is just me. As I said, folks will do what they want.
loudtiger wrote
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?I know everyone has a right to ask any price they want (don’t send me nasty socialist comments) but making a profit by selling a new release camera here on the B&S board at $1000 more than you paid just seems wrong to me. It goes against my sense of what FM is, a community of photographers helping each other. If it were me, and I ended up with a second body, I would return it so somebody else will be able to use it or sell it here at cost plus shipping and fees. But that is just me. As I said, folks will do what they want.
Jan 14, 2022 at 01:08 PM
p.47 #9Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
I wonder how many of these for sale so soon are NPS multiple orders with the original intent of scalping
Jan 14, 2022 at 02:39 PM
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Weaselwagon wrote:
I wonder how many of these for sale so soon are NPS multiple orders with the original intent of scalping
You can only get priority delivery on one unit via NPS.
I wonder how many of these for sale so soon are NPS multiple orders with the original intent of scalping
You can only get priority delivery on one unit via NPS.
Jan 14, 2022 at 02:50 PM
p.47 #11Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
Then the phrase "priority delivery" is important here, anyone know how many a NPS member can order in total?
Jan 14, 2022 at 03:00 PM
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I am an NPS member, and I believe this is accessible to the public from Nikon's USA web site under NPS.
https://www.nikonpro.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
"PRIORITY PURCHASE DELIVERY PROGRAM
For Equipment sold by Nikon to a Nikon Authorized Dealer and designated for Member’s purchase pursuant to Member’s request (which request is subject to no more than one (1) unit for any specific model of Equipment unless otherwise agreed to by Nikon in its sole discretion based on availability), Member understands and agrees that upon its purchase, the Dealer owns such Equipment and Nikon has no control over the Dealer’s resale of such Equipment, whether to Member or otherwise. Nikon can only recommend to the Dealer that such Equipment be reserved for the Member. Requesting that Nikon ship Equipment indicates Member’s representation to Nikon that the Equipment is for Member’s own use and is not being purchased with the intention of immediate resale. It is a violation of these Terms for Member to request this priority delivery of Equipment for purchase by any third party, whether from the Nikon Authorized Dealer or the Member, as the case may be."
As guidance to others, I pre-ordered my Z9 and FTZII on November 7th, from a well known Nikon Professional Dealer, and based on e-mails from NPS this past Tuesday, and dialogue with my dealer about timing and shipping, I expect to receive my unit the end of next week (1/21/2022). I received the FTZII last week.
https://www.nikonpro.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
"PRIORITY PURCHASE DELIVERY PROGRAM
For Equipment sold by Nikon to a Nikon Authorized Dealer and designated for Member’s purchase pursuant to Member’s request (which request is subject to no more than one (1) unit for any specific model of Equipment unless otherwise agreed to by Nikon in its sole discretion based on availability), Member understands and agrees that upon its purchase, the Dealer owns such Equipment and Nikon has no control over the Dealer’s resale of such Equipment, whether to Member or otherwise. Nikon can only recommend to the Dealer that such Equipment be reserved for the Member. Requesting that Nikon ship Equipment indicates Member’s representation to Nikon that the Equipment is for Member’s own use and is not being purchased with the intention of immediate resale. It is a violation of these Terms for Member to request this priority delivery of Equipment for purchase by any third party, whether from the Nikon Authorized Dealer or the Member, as the case may be."
As guidance to others, I pre-ordered my Z9 and FTZII on November 7th, from a well known Nikon Professional Dealer, and based on e-mails from NPS this past Tuesday, and dialogue with my dealer about timing and shipping, I expect to receive my unit the end of next week (1/21/2022). I received the FTZII last week.
Jan 14, 2022 at 03:20 PM
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Weaselwagon wrote:
Then the phrase "priority delivery" is important here, anyone know how many a NPS member can order in total?
Anybody, NPS or non-NPS, can order as many cameras as they want.
But as an NPS member, you will only get one camera early through the NPS program.
So, the phase “priority delivery” is not important. The only type of order you can place with NPS is “priority delivery” and again, it is limited to one unit.
Then the phrase "priority delivery" is important here, anyone know how many a NPS member can order in total?
Anybody, NPS or non-NPS, can order as many cameras as they want.
But as an NPS member, you will only get one camera early through the NPS program.
So, the phase “priority delivery” is not important. The only type of order you can place with NPS is “priority delivery” and again, it is limited to one unit.
Jan 14, 2022 at 05:58 PM
p.47 #14Z9: Countdown to air shipment and release.......
I was pleased to hear that a friend back in Connecticut who ordered his Z9 end of October just got it yesterday overnighted. Nice deal. And he's NOT a NPS member. I suppose a few will sneak out here and there to non NPS members. Sure doesn't lean towards believing that nobody will get theirs till the summer at that rate. But we don't know if Nikon's run out of parts yet.
Jan 14, 2022 at 06:43 PM
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Heads up, I ordered a EN-EL18D from Samy’s for $199, it shipped already and looks like they still have them in stock.
Jan 14, 2022 at 09:58 PM
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Ai_Print wrote:
Heads up, I ordered a EN-EL18D from Samy’s for $199, it shipped already and looks like they still have them in stock.
Thank you!
Heads up, I ordered a EN-EL18D from Samy’s for $199, it shipped already and looks like they still have them in stock.
Thank you!
Jan 14, 2022 at 10:17 PM
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dcisive wrote:
I was pleased to hear that a friend back in Connecticut who ordered his Z9 end of October just got it yesterday overnighted. Nice deal. And he's NOT a NPS member. I suppose a few will sneak out here and there to non NPS members. Sure doesn't lean towards believing that nobody will get theirs till the summer at that rate. But we don't know if Nikon's run out of parts yet.
Who said nobody will get their camera till summer? Please cite a reference.
You do understand the difference in ordering in late October (at launch) and ordering in late November ( a month after launch), right?
This is so frustrating, why do I bother trying to explain.
I was pleased to hear that a friend back in Connecticut who ordered his Z9 end of October just got it yesterday overnighted. Nice deal. And he's NOT a NPS member. I suppose a few will sneak out here and there to non NPS members. Sure doesn't lean towards believing that nobody will get theirs till the summer at that rate. But we don't know if Nikon's run out of parts yet.
Who said nobody will get their camera till summer? Please cite a reference.
You do understand the difference in ordering in late October (at launch) and ordering in late November ( a month after launch), right?
This is so frustrating, why do I bother trying to explain.
Jan 15, 2022 at 10:03 AM
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gdsf2 wrote:
There are some for sale on the B&S board here at FM, and prices are continuing to come down. Especially if you would be paying tax for one at your local dealer, this may be a reasonable option for someone who would like to be shooting with it now rather than waiting a year.I know everyone has a right to ask any price they want (don’t send me nasty socialist comments) but making a profit by selling a new release camera here on the B&S board at $1000 more than you paid just seems wrong to me. It goes against my sense of what FM is, a community of photographers helping each other. If it were me, and I ended up with a second body, I would return it so somebody else will be able to use it or sell it here at cost plus shipping and fees. But that is just me....Show more →
Right, I know everyone has a right to turn a profit. But it's frustrating, still.
I won't mention names, but someone I was in contact with online had 5 copies delivered already and he is selling them for 7850 each. He offered me one and said, "that's a good deal compared to eBay". Sure bud.
I'll wait for my preorder.
If something popped up around $6300, that's reasonable - covers 9% tax depending on where you live, plus PayPal fees of ~3%, plus $120 for shipping and insurance.
Another $1500 premium on top of that is a considerable markup.
He flat out said though, "I bought 5 so I could sell 4 and pay for my copy outright"
And he is (or did). Last I heard he only had one left to sell...
In the end, I guess we're all free to do the same thing? It's just not my kind of game
Ross Martin wrote
loudtiger wrote
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?Right, I know everyone has a right to turn a profit. But it's frustrating, still.
I won't mention names, but someone I was in contact with online had 5 copies delivered already and he is selling them for 7850 each. He offered me one and said, "that's a good deal compared to eBay". Sure bud.
I'll wait for my preorder.
If something popped up around $6300, that's reasonable - covers 9% tax depending on where you live, plus PayPal fees of ~3%, plus $120 for shipping and insurance.
Another $1500 premium on top of that is a considerable markup.
He flat out said though, "I bought 5 so I could sell 4 and pay for my copy outright"
And he is (or did). Last I heard he only had one left to sell...
In the end, I guess we're all free to do the same thing? It's just not my kind of game
Jan 15, 2022 at 03:54 PM
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AccessDenied wrote:
There are some for sale on the B&S board here at FM, and prices are continuing to come down. Especially if you would be paying tax for one at your local dealer, this may be a reasonable option for someone who would like to be shooting with it now rather than waiting a year.I know everyone has a right to ask any price they want (don’t send me nasty socialist comments) but making a profit by selling a new release camera here on the B&S board at $1000 more than you paid just seems wrong to me. It goes against my sense of what FM is, a community of photographers helping each other. If it were me, and I ended up with a second body, I would return it so somebody else will be able to use it or sell it here at cost plus shipping and fees. But that is just me. As I said, folks will do what they want.Right, I know everyone has a right to turn a profit. But it's frustrating, still.
I won't mention names, but someone I was in contact with online had 5 copies delivered already and he is selling them for 7850 each. He offered me one and said, "that's a good deal compared to eBay". Sure bud.
I'll wait for my preorder.
If something popped up around $6300, that's reasonable - covers 9% tax depending on where you live, plus PayPal fees of ~3%, plus $120 for shipping and insurance.
Another $1500 premium on top of that is a considerable markup.
He flat out said though, "I...Show more →
Can't put a price on principles and decency, IMO.
gdsf2 wrote
Ross Martin wrote
loudtiger wrote
if i were to order one today, when do you think i could get it? 2023?I won't mention names, but someone I was in contact with online had 5 copies delivered already and he is selling them for 7850 each. He offered me one and said, "that's a good deal compared to eBay". Sure bud.
I'll wait for my preorder.
If something popped up around $6300, that's reasonable - covers 9% tax depending on where you live, plus PayPal fees of ~3%, plus $120 for shipping and insurance.
Another $1500 premium on top of that is a considerable markup.
He flat out said though, "I...Show more →
Can't put a price on principles and decency, IMO.
Jan 15, 2022 at 04:11 PM
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gdsf2 wrote:
making a profit by selling a new release camera here on the B&S board at $1000 more than you paid just seems wrong to me.
Quite a socialistic comment, plus hypocritical
Socialism is bad when it does not affect you & Capitalism is bad when it affects you 🤨
This is the new world
https://www.insider.com/disney-fans-wait-six-hour-long-line-buy-popcorn-container-2022-1?amp
making a profit by selling a new release camera here on the B&S board at $1000 more than you paid just seems wrong to me.
Quite a socialistic comment, plus hypocritical
Socialism is bad when it does not affect you & Capitalism is bad when it affects you 🤨
This is the new world
https://www.insider.com/disney-fans-wait-six-hour-long-line-buy-popcorn-container-2022-1?amp
Jan 15, 2022 at 04:48 PM