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I'm just packing for a trip to Venice and Florence next week and it reminded me of this thread.

Due to breaking my right arm a few weeks ago, I have to pack relatively light. But I wouldn't want to carry much more stuff around anyway

Here's what I'll bring (Nikon Z in my case, but there are equivalents for Sony):

Nikon Z7
24-70mm f4 - this will cover 90% of the 'serious' photography, which I will mostly do in the early mornings
105mm f2.5 - only for some specific shots. Wouldn't need it if I had a 24-105 / 24-120...
40mm f2 - for afternoon & evenings. I'll leave the other stuff in the hotel. Would probably take a Samyang 45mm on Sony, or the 40mm f2.5G

iPhone 13 Pro - covers wide-angle and ultra-wide-angle in case I need it. Also the only digital camera I'll carry around during the day when the light is not great anyway

Rolleiflex 3.5E + Portra 400 - for fun Will replace the Nikon + 40mm on some days. Also have some specific shots in mind in Venice where I might bring it in addition to the Nikon + 24-70mm.

Rollei 'urban traveler' tripod - only for the 'serious' stuff, otherwise in the hotel
Joby Micro 800 tripod - for different perspectives and to use on bridges etc in a pinch


Bags:
Wandrd Prvke 21L - to bring the stuff there, will stay in the hotel
ONA Prince Street - to use on location. A bit heavy because I have the leather version, but it looks the part



Mar 15, 2022 at 09:40 AM
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I liked how harsh midday light made textures and other details of old buildings in Venice and other European cities really stand out. It's not great light if you want to make a pleasing portrait in sunlight (of course there are workarounds here too), but I wouldn't rule out 'serious' photography at this time of day. Have a great trip!

naturephoto1 wrote:
Because I expect to take so many images on this trip I am probably going to have to think about moving all of my RAW images (my worked LR files are storred on external drives already) but keep my LR catalogs on the Laprtop with back-ups off my old Laptop to an external drive and have to decide if I want a regular Desktop HD or a small in size SSD like the SanDisk drive.

Rich


Lightroom has no problem working with files on external drives. It's how I use it on my desktop, which is now over 10 years old (27" iMac). I upgraded it years ago to an internal SSD, but it's of relatively small capacity. Instead of doing that again (somewhat complicated with this generation of iMac), I just use larger capacity external SSDs for my current projects. In fact, I now mostly work on RAW files that are on my 'server' over a regular gigabit ethernet network and it still works fine (though I do make smart previews to speed up basic LR editing tasks).

In your case, I'd recommend getting a 2TB external SSD on which to keep your current projects if you don't have enough storage on the system itself. SSD is faster and IMO offers better peace of mind stability for non-finalized work in progress. It will also be bus-powered, so you don't need to plug it in for power, like you would a typical 'desktop' HDD (3.5" form factor), therefore one less cable to manage.

For longer term 'cold' storage, where you will not access files very frequently, multiple HDDs are the most cost effective. You should periodically exercise them (plug in and use) to keep the mechanics functional. SSDs benefit from being powered up, so if you do decide to use SSDs for archival storage, you should also plug them in periodically to let the firmware run to 'refresh' the drive.



Mar 15, 2022 at 09:48 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
I liked how harsh midday light made textures and other details of old buildings in Venice and other European cities really stand out. It's not great light if you want to make a pleasing portrait in sunlight (of course there are workarounds here too), but I wouldn't rule out 'serious' photography at this time of day. Have a great trip!


Thanks!

True.. I have 2 prints from Venice hanging on my wall - one taken at 6:30am the other at 11am (a detail shot of a boat). But the vast majority of images I like was taken before 9am or after 4-5pm - in late September, so relatively similar to March in terms of sunrise/sunset.



Mar 15, 2022 at 11:09 AM
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I agree, early morning and evening light can be great. I have fond memories of a March trip to Venice and walking the city at 6-7am just as the locals were getting up and going to work or school, shafts of hazy sunlight streaming diagonally through the narrow passages as the sun rose... I really like the quality of sunlight low on the horizon during the winter months.


Mar 15, 2022 at 11:51 AM
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Hi Rich, based on your recent posts you were in Italy last month... I haven't been on the board much the last month or so and just noticed.

Wondering how it went and if you'd care to share your experiences about what did and didn't work? If you've already posted this somewhere, please LMK.



Apr 15, 2022 at 11:33 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Hi Rich, based on your recent posts you were in Italy last month... I haven't been on the board much the last month or so and just noticed.

Wondering how it went and if you'd care to share your experiences about what did and didn't work? If you've already posted this somewhere, please LMK.


Hi Ron,

I did make a little comment early on in the Sony FE Image Thread. I will try to find it and provide more detail shortly.

Rich




Apr 15, 2022 at 11:38 AM
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OK thanks. I don't follow the Sony board much and generally only see threads cross-posted to Alt.


Apr 15, 2022 at 11:45 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
OK thanks. I don't follow the Sony board much and generally only see threads cross-posted to Alt.


Hi Ron,

I have dug up the comments and will elaborate here.

As usual, things didn't go quite as planned. I really didn't have that much say in where we went or what we saw. And everyone was always waiting for my especially since I didn't have any AF lenses with me. If I ever go on a trip like this again with my wife with or without my step daughter I will need at least 1 AF lens. So, it took me time to manual focus at maximum magnification and recompose. I believe that I only carried and used my monopod in Rome the first day and only used my tripod for one day as well. So I shot everything hand held with IBIS with my A1 and my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified A7rII. I started carrying the 2 cameras and 4 lenses in the 2 Kinesis Gear Pouches and stopped using the Mindshift Gear Backlight 26L photo Backpack as often as possible. Also, didn't do much in changing lenses and relied on using my A1 with my Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph lens. The belt that I had didn't really help much taking the weight off of my neck with the 2 Kinesis gear pouchs so I started throwing 1 pouch over my head and across my shoulder with one on each side. I was extremely pleased with my A1 with the Voigtlander 50mm lens combination. The A1 is easily my favorite Sony Body with its EVF. I was stunned with the sharpness and clarity relying on IBIS at ISO 1600. I only took the time to use the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar to take some closer photos of the David in the Academy in Firenze (Florence) and didn't use the Minolta 40mm f2 M-Rokkor or the Leica R 180mm f3.4 Apo-Telyt lenses at all. I would have to check more carefully through my photos, I may have only used my Leica M WATE when used on a monopod when photographing the Trevi Fountain with my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified camera. I mainly just kept the Voigtlander 50mm on the A1 and to a lesser extent the Voitlander 28mm f2 Ultron II on the A7rII Kolari Vision UT sensor modified camera due to needing to photograph faster with less time and less weight.

I didn't have time to use filters for my photographs since everyone was always asking where is Rich?

As to the cobblestones, it was good that I did not take a Thinktank roller. They were a PIA for luggage and particularly for my wife with her rollator.

I had purchased many additional Sandisk 64 GB 170 MB/Second Extreme Pro cards. In fact I was prepared to take 20,000 images with the cards which I could back up. As it turns out, I only took a little more than 2,000 including many many dupes to make sure of the exposure and the images were sharp. Additionally in the museums for many of the works of Art I took a photo of the descritpition to know what I had photographed.

Due to not having much say in where we were going and when we went and returned, I wasn't able to get out at my preferred times to take photos early in the day and late in the day for better lighting. My wife, her daughter, and her daugter's friend were really foodies and liked to eat well so that at times interfered. Yes, I liked the food and I enjoyed it, but when I am out taking photos I normally put much more interest in the images and where I am than for the food.

As to not having a laptop computer with me, I did not find it an issue. And the NEXTO DI NPS-10 Nexto Photo Storage unit with the internal Crucial 2 TB SSD and the back-up Sandisk 2TB Extreme SSD V2 worked extremely well. I downloaded the photo files from my cards almost every day. Since I my purchase, the NEXTO DI NPS-10 Nexto Photo Storage unit is no longer available (may have been discontinued) and I am not sure if the manufacturer has gone out of business.

Rich




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Apr 15, 2022 at 01:49 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Hi Rich, based on your recent posts you were in Italy last month... I haven't been on the board much the last month or so and just noticed.

Wondering how it went and if you'd care to share your experiences about what did and didn't work? If you've already posted this somewhere, please LMK.


I've spent a lot of time in Italy (Venice, Florence, Siena, Dolomites) since we used to live in Austria (many many years ago, Venice was a 3-4 hour drive away) and were recently marooned in Vienna during the lockdowns (2020 but we were also there in 2016 & again in 2017) and then spent time in Venice and the Dolomites again.

I've just checked my files (before I realised this was an old thread) and my most used FLs (by far) were 17mm T/S + 21/35/85 and the 100-400 was just great for picking out otherwise unreachable scenes & details (both in the mountains and along canals or across the sea).
If I was forced to choose just 3 lenses (not those I have) then it would a 24 adapted Canon T/S and the Tamron 35-135mm plus either a fast 50mm or 85mm depending on who you're traveling with.

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Apr 15, 2022 at 01:54 PM
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Hi Rich, thanks for the summary. I know the feeling of traveling with non-photographers and being left behind. My wife has the tendency to keep walking without looking back. She's also a foodie and at certain times of the year I have the emphasize/negotiate my desire to prioritize light over food (i.e. eat dinner earlier or later than usual). One compromise I have sometimes found is that I'll head out on my own well before breakfast for 2-3 hours. I really enjoyed doing so in Venice many years ago and seeing the city wake up around me (and it avoided most of the tourists, too).

Glad the suggestion to minimize the number of roller bags helped.

I'm not surprised you didn't use the 180 much. Perhaps in part because it would need more time for careful manual focusing? And it's heavy. At least in my case, when I travel with my M kit of 21/28/35/50/90, if I bring the 180, it's usually only if I'm pretty sure there's a scenario where I'll want it and have the time to use it. Otherwise, I live with 90 and cropping.

Considering what you experienced with your travel companions and that there wasn't really a chance for getting into a photographic groove, it might be a situation where a smaller format system would have an advantage. I.e. APS-C or m43. Especially if you think you might like some reasonable telephoto capabilities in the 200-300mm FF equivalent range while keeping things small. But of course, if all you've got is FF it wouldn't make sense to buy another system just for a trip. Yes, it sounds like an AF lens or two might have been beneficial. I guess it's a matter of finding the balance of equipment priorities and compromises.



Apr 15, 2022 at 02:47 PM
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Thanks for sharing your experiences, Rich.

I understand your interest in an autofocus lens for instances when you have to keep moving or be left behind. I typically carry only a couple of manual focus lenses (often including the 50mm APO-Lanthar), so I'm at something of a disadvantage when comes to taking snapshots of my companions. I think a possible solution might be to carry not another lens but another camera--perhaps the Ricoh GR IIIX, although a Sony RX100 might do.



Apr 16, 2022 at 05:07 PM
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Welcome back Rich. I'm glad that you were able to have a nice trip. I'm also heading to Italy for a month. I'm leaving next week. Will be in multiple cities/towns.

I had a question for you and for anybody else who would kindly share their thoughts. I'm taking 3 lenses. I'm definitely taking a 35 and and 85. But I'm trying to decide between the lox 21 or the CV15 to round out my kit. Any advice?



Apr 16, 2022 at 10:29 PM
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21 and stitch multiple images for wider angle of view, either with the 21 or the 35. 15 can be useful in some situations, but IMO is somewhat niche.

The argument for stitching to replace the 15 would also apply to using 35mm to cover the 21mm focal length. It could be argued that when you need single-shot UWA, you really need it.

It's likely most dependent on how you typically shoot. Is your usual carry kit 15/35/85, or 21/35/85? In my case 21 is usually the widest I carry. I have brought the 15 along a number of times on trips to Europe (Germany) but the percentage of images made with it were very low single digits.

Sounds like Rich mostly shot 50mm followed by 28.



Apr 16, 2022 at 10:40 PM
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Minatureman13 wrote:
Welcome back Rich. I'm glad that you were able to have a nice trip. I'm also heading to Italy for a month. I'm leaving next week. Will be in multiple cities/towns.

I had a question for you and for anybody else who would kindly share their thoughts. I'm taking 3 lenses. I'm definitely taking a 35 and and 85. But I'm trying to decide between the lox 21 or the CV15 to round out my kit. Any advice?


I'd go with what Ron said (21mm) however the CV15 is so tiny I don't see the point in leaving it behind ! So 4 lenses.

Italy :

I would also add (based on Rich's comments) that when I'm there (esp. in Venice) I always get up before dawn with a specific location in mind (I'd usually make note whilst walking around with the family) and plan to get there and back in time for breakfast with the family (in fact as we rented an apartment I would return with fresh coffees and breads from a local bakery - delicious and everyone appreciated this and never complained if I returned after they had risen)!
Never ever did I meet more than the odd person on the street (though it was during the CV epidemic but when the national/local lockdowns had finished and travel was permitted between Austria and Italy).

As far as meals were concerned if I skipped the odd meal (1 in 4) for something special I wanted to shoot at sunset then no-one was too concerned (and we tried to choose a restaurant on our list close to the location I wanted to shoot so I could be a 'late arrival').



Apr 16, 2022 at 11:27 PM
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^^^
That's also my usual strategy


Here's a bit of a photo-dump from my recent trip (sorry for the scrolling). Gear used as written above: 24-70mm f4, 40mm f2, 105mm f2.5, but never carrying everything at once. The 24-70 would also have been okay on its own. Maybe with an additional wide-angle prime (15, 18 or 20mm) as I used the wide end a bit more than expected.

EXIF should be on flickr, if there is no focal length info then it was the 105mm f2.5.

Venice 2022 by Felix, auf Flickr

Venice 2022 by Felix, auf Flickr

Venice 2022 by Felix, auf Flickr

Venice 2022 by Felix, auf Flickr

Venice 2022 by Felix, auf Flickr

Firenze classic by Felix, auf Flickr

Firenze x Nikkor 105mm f2.5 by Felix, auf Flickr

Firenze Pano 2 by Felix, auf Flickr



Apr 17, 2022 at 01:44 AM
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Thanks for the feedback. I feel natural with the 35/85 combo, but have yet to really get comfortable and pick out my favorite uwa focal length. That's why im asking advice. Appreciate your comments regarding stitching.

I DO want to experience things first and photograph them second. This is not a photography trip. That's why I kind of made it a rule to keep my kit to 3 small primes. But rules are meant to be stretched

I'll take your advice on getting up Early. First of all that sounds like nice personal time, but also it allows me to do a little methodical photography while not imposing on my family.

@fjablo gorgeous



Apr 17, 2022 at 07:57 AM
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Been reading this thread since it started. Soon we will be traveling to Netherlands, France, Germany and Switzerland and go back later in the year to Italy. Will spend very little time in big cities.

I want to take a primary AF zoom and 2-3 less used lenses, preferably AF .. UWA for indoor, fast prime for evening, tele-zoom for distance. I will use a PD neck strap and have a PD wrist strap. I wear a 20L daypack and will store the other lens in a small vertical ICU.

Two potential kits FF or APS-C
* A7IV, 24-105/4 and either 14/1.8 or 20/1.8 and 35/1.4 and 70-350/3.5-4.8 (APS-C so 105-525 FF)

* X-T4, either 16-55/2.8 (24-82) or 16-80/4 (24-120) and 10-24/4 (15-36) and 23/1.4 (35) and 55-200/3.5-4.8 (82-300)

had the A7C but I found it hard to compose with the small, low magnification EVF and the LCD washes out easily.

A7IV kit - Not sure how wide my UWA needs to be for indoor shots like churches, museums, etc. The 14 would be great for ceiling shots but the 20 might be more versatile and I only want to take one. The 12-24 and 14-24 are too heavy and big for the limited use.

Considering the X-T4 for smaller, lighter lens and I like the idea of the UWA zoom

thanks for your feedback



Apr 17, 2022 at 01:51 PM
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Minatureman13 wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I feel natural with the 35/85 combo, but have yet to really get comfortable and pick out my favorite uwa focal length. That's why im asking advice. Appreciate your comments regarding stitching.

I DO want to experience things first and photograph them second. This is not a photography trip. That's why I kind of made it a rule to keep my kit to 3 small primes. But rules are meant to be stretched

I'll take your advice on getting up Early. First of all that sounds like nice personal time, but also it allows me to do
...Show more

Thank you

Which body are you shooting on? With the higher res bodies (40mp+) I‘m relatively comfortable doing 1.5x crops. Enough pixels left for printing and everything else.

In that case I‘d argue in favor of the 15mm as you could crop to the 21mm perspective.

Also gives you more options to avoid skewed buildings by keeping the camera level and cropping in (a 1.5x crop basically gives you a 15mm APS-C lens with +/-4mm „shift“)



Apr 17, 2022 at 02:16 PM
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An interesting thread, as we have travelled a lot (all continents, many countries) and I've always photographed. In the 60's I hitchhiked through most countries in Europe and North Africa, usually with 2 cameras and 5 or so lenses and then later with family and 4 or more cameras and lenses from 15 to 400 with the Nikons and 15 to 90 with the Leica's. We drove through 15 countries in Europe, including many communist ones with that. Also trekked in Nepal and the Andes with 2 Leica's, a Mamiya 6, a 'blad SWC and a Noblex 150 (no, the sherpas didn't get to carry any camera gear or film).

Now, I usually carry 2 Leica's and lenses from around 14 to 90 around Europe, or more usually, 2 or 3 m43 bodies and a variety of lenses, mostly depending on available subject matter. In Europe it might be just a 7.5mm Laowa, an Olympus 12-100 and a fast 17 while for Australia and NZ it was a 4mm fisheye, the 7.5, Panasonic 12-60, Panasonic 50-200 with 1.4x while for Africa and Antarctica a 100-400 and/or a fast long tele would be added. My wife is quite tolerant of my photography, and on one of our very first dates she asked whether I ALWAYS carried a camera. Yes, except for in bed and in the shower, but even there, I've been into the shower with my Olympus m43 gear to rinse off all the salt caked on from Zodiac excursions.

I have a couple of Sony bodies, but they don't travel with me very often. The bodies aren't too big, but the lenses, if AF, are. If I want to shoot MF, I prefer to take the Leicas.

M43 makes me work a bit harder if I want to wind up with 30x40 prints, but technically, my prints from my GM5 and 12-32 zoom, which together are smaller than just the Sony 35/1.8 alone, are better than I used to get from my medium format film shots. I was happy with those shots then, and I'm happy with these tiny sensor shots now, and the camera just doesn't get in the way of anything. I'm not going to compete with a travel photographer who spends 3 weeks at one location to get 4 good shots for travel promotions; I'm going to get shots that are part of my memories.

I was a professional architectural/construction/commercial photographer shooting with mostly 4x5 and sometimes 8x10 cameras. There and then, I tried to get the absolute best shots I could within the budget. Now I have different priorities, and m43 suits those best, most of the time.

Mostly though, shoot for yourself on your trips, and don't get bogged down. It also doesn't matter if you're a one camera/one lens kind of photographer or someone that packs a lot, as long as all that gear is useful to you. I think the OP learned that.



Apr 17, 2022 at 02:43 PM
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offtraildog wrote:
Been reading this thread since it started. Soon we will be traveling to Netherlands, France, Germany and Switzerland and go back later in the year to Italy. Will spend very little time in big cities.

I want to take a primary AF zoom and 2-3 less used lenses, preferably AF .. UWA for indoor, fast prime for evening, tele-zoom for distance. I will use a PD neck strap and have a PD wrist strap. I wear a 20L daypack and will store the other lens in a small vertical ICU.

Two potential kits FF or APS-C
* A7IV, 24-105/4 and either 14/1.8
...Show more

The a7IV would essentially be a dual system solution - FF when you need/want it and APS-C (cropping) when necessary, which you're already planning to do with the tele zoom. I think the tradeoff will be the size of these lenses compared to those from your Fuji system.

I generally like to skip a focal length when carrying primes. For example: 21, 28, 50 and 90. While 20 is noticeably wider than 24, 14 would give you way more. And as already suggested, you can crop images if necessary.

IMO the appeal of the Fuji system would be overall kit size, though I'm not super familiar with either system and therefore unsure if there's much difference in the end. Tough call on 16-55 vs. 16-80. Will you benefit from the extra stop more than the longer reach before having to switch to the tele zoom? From my own travels, if it's been a long day and I'm tired and then I have to dig out a big lens from a backpack for a scene that might not be as great as I initially thought, I'll probably end up skipping the shot compared to if it's a small lens within easy reach from a pouch or small bag. The UWA zoom makes sense on a lower resolution crop sensor whereas I think you can get away with an UWA prime and cropping on 60MP FF.

For my last pre-pandemic trip I took my usual FF system of 21, 28, 35, 50 and 90 (all small Leica M lenses) and also a Canon M6 Mark II ~30MP APS-C camera with 11-22, 22/2 and 32/1.4. If shooting stopped down and typical urban landscape type scenes, I'd generally be hard pressed to pick one over the other on technical grounds (except that the 11-22 was peripherally inferior to all of the primes). Shooting at or near wide open I slightly preferred the look/rendering from FF but the 32/1.4 was very, very sharp.

Too bad the Italy trip isn't first so you could test the waters before the multi-country trip. But in any case, you'll have a much better idea for the second trip.




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