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1bwana1 wrote:
Rich,

You have an amazing assortment of wonderful lenses. I am sure that you know way more than me what you like and how you like to use them. So, I won't try and address that.

Since, I am dual American/Italian citizen, with business interests in many countries I have spent a lot of time traveling, and a great deal of time in Italy. Except for the last two years, I am usually in Italy 3 times a year. The lenses you will want will vary a great deal depending on where you go.

In general I like to keep my
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for the input. My wife and her daughter are of Sicilian background and we will be visiting there for a fair portion of the time. So, we are going to have to think through where we visit. My Step Daughter is frustrated at this point still trying to get her dual citizenship which is on hold.

As to the fast Voigtlander lenses the fastest I have are the Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar FE mount and the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II Asph VM lens. The 12mm f5.6 Heliar III is anything but fast, but I can see a need for it for instance the interiors of some cathedrals that we could visit. As to the Leica M WATE, though only an f4 lens, it will be invaluable as far as I am concerned. I am not sure if 16mm would be wide enough in some of the cathedrals as an example. My only faster lens being the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM. If I could only take 2 wide angle lenses they would be the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM and the Leica M WATE. At least in outdoor situations I could use a nodal slide with the WATE and at least approximate things for taking wider images than is possible with the lens alone. But, I would pop the Minolta CLE 40mm f2 lens into the roller because it is so tiny and light.

So, if push came to shove, if I only took 4 MF primes, they would be the Leica M WATE, Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM, Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph VM, and the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar which I should have early in December. To that I would add the Sony 100-400mm GM lens. As to car, I doubt we will be driving as I question driving while in Italy and certainly not in Rome. I would expect that most of our travel will be via public transportation- busses, trains, ferry to Sicily, etc.

As to the question of thievery, hopefully the Think Tank Backstory 13 will deter this as the camera equipment would be against my back and can not be accessed unless the pack is removed. The dimensions of the Backstory 13 is 10.2” W x 16.9” H x 7.1” D (26 x 43 x 18 cm). I will have to then put my Back-up system into the interior of the pack or leave it in the hotel and hopefully that is not stolen and/or left alone. When not carrying the 100-400mm GM lens, I would try to either leave it in a safe or locked in our rolling hard sided luggage. I hope that will keep the lens safe from prying eyes and fingers and away from thieves.

As to the Kinesis Gear pouch which pictured above it can be belt mounted and would then be held around my waist with a Think Tank belt.

Rich



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Nov 24, 2021 at 11:38 AM
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So much of the Italian landscape benefits from long focal lengths. Tuscany and the Dolomites in particular. I wouldn't go ether place without at least 200 mmm, longer is better.


Nov 24, 2021 at 11:43 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Rich,

You have an amazing assortment of wonderful lenses. I am sure that you know way more than me what you like and how you like to use them. So, I won't try and address that.

Since, I am dual American/Italian citizen, with business interests in many countries I have spent a lot of time traveling, and a great deal of time in Italy. Except for the last two years, I am usually in Italy 3 times a year. The lenses you will want will vary a great deal depending on where you go.

In general I like to keep my
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As a Sicilian-American I find the omission of Sicily as one of Italy's most photogenic regions offensive.



Kidding aside; you should all have it on your bucket list. The photographic opportunities are endless.



Nov 24, 2021 at 11:44 AM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the input. My wife and her daughter are of Sicilian background and we will be visiting there for a fair portion of the time. So, we are going to have to think through where we visit. My Step Daughter is frustrated at this point still trying to get her dual citizenship which is on hold.



Just there a few Months ago. I was able to get passports for all of my Brothers Sisters, kids, grand kids. But my Wife is having the same delay issues as your Step Daughter. They tightened up about 7 years ago. We hope to have hers done this year.

Actually for Sicily I would be content with a shorter lens and not feel like I was missing may opportunities. This is the perfect place for something like my Tamron 70-180 f/2.8. I would then focus on my primes. CV 40mm f/1.2, something in the 20s, and something in the low teens.

Keep in mind that very few places will allow for tripods inside. But you will have a huge advantage with your Wife's roller walker. It will be allowed everywhere. Jury rig up a camera mount for it and you will have the perfect imaging platform that will be allowed everywhere, even the Vatican. Your slow wide prime will then work perfectly.



Nov 24, 2021 at 11:55 AM
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As a Sicilian-American I find the omission of Sicily as one of Italy's most photogenic regions offensive.



Kidding aside; you should all have it on your bucket list. The photographic opportunities are endless.


My Grandmother was 100% Sicilian (DiSalvo). My Wife was just there again in September. Unfortunately I had to be elsewhere this time. I agree, I just included it in my Southern Italy opportunities.




Nov 24, 2021 at 11:59 AM
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I would also second the notion of "less is more". At least in terms of which lenses you choose to take with you every day.

Besides weight, another consideration is that of constant lens changes - I find it quite disruptive to change lenses. Personally, having to swap lenses or bodies in out of the backpack every couple minutes just takes away from the experience of being there. Especially in busy cities or when exploring an area, it takes you out of the "flow".

I think you could cover most shooting situations where you're not exclusively going out for photography with the WATE, 28 Ultron and 50 APO on 2 bodies (and swap a lens sometimes). And I find that when restricting myself I just take different photos, so it doesn't feel that limiting.

I'd bring the 12mm CV and GM on the trip for specific photo-ops and plan around using them -- they would be amazing for rural countryside shots and interiors. But I probably would not take them every time I go out.



Nov 24, 2021 at 12:01 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
My Grandmother was 100% Sicilian (DiSalvo). My Wife was just there again in September. Unfortunately I had to be elsewhere this time. I agree, I just included it in my Southern Italy opportunities.








Nov 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Just there a few Months ago. I was able to get passports for all of my Brothers Sisters, kids, grand kids. But my Wife is having the same delay issues as your Step Daughter. They tightened up about 7 years ago. We hope to have hers done this year.

Actually for Sicily I would be content with a shorter lens and not feel like I was missing may opportunities. This is the perfect place for something like my Tamron 70-180 f/2.8. I would then focus on my primes. CV 40mm f/1.2, something in the 20s, and something in the low teens.

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Hi Steve,

I am not sure if my wife will go for jury rigging some sort of clamping system to her rollator. I will be bringing my Leofoto table top tripod. Maybe I could look into some sort of small clamp to use that small head rather than my Manfroto clamps. I also have a Platypad Pro. But again, I suspect that clamp anything to my wife's snazzy yellow all terrain rollator.

Rich



Nov 24, 2021 at 12:12 PM
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I find no fault with your logic and lens selection. If you go to the wonderful Dolomites then I found Cortina to be the best base (we stayed in four towns there). The 100-400 was my most used lens there. Note that with the cable cars it would be easy for your wife to get up to the top/near the top, however the paths are rough. You won't need the TCs.

So yes to your selection :

Voigtlander 12mm f5.6 VM,
Leica M WATE (16/18/21mm),
Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM,
Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph,
Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar
Sony 100-400mm GM




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Nov 24, 2021 at 12:14 PM
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lora_to wrote:
... another consideration is that of constant lens changes - I find it quite disruptive to change lenses ...


My main concern is checking for dust after every lens change. The process of removing it can become time consuming, even futile in certain environments. It's not at all an issue in a hotel, but when you are out on the street, with people smoking their cigarettes (we are talking about Europe), I would much rather stick to whatever is mounted on the body. Perhaps this is one instance where I would settle for a zoom.



Nov 24, 2021 at 12:15 PM
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I sure enjoyed the Apennines & Gran Paradiso National Park...getting away from cities in over populated Italy was sure nice.


Nov 24, 2021 at 12:16 PM
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lora_to wrote:
I would also second the notion of "less is more". At least in terms of which lenses you choose to take with you every day.

Besides weight, another consideration is that of constant lens changes - I find it quite disruptive to change lenses. Personally, having to swap lenses or bodies in out of the backpack every couple minutes just takes away from the experience of being there. Especially in busy cities or when exploring an area, it takes you out of the "flow".

I think you could cover most shooting situations where you're not exclusively going out for photography with the
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That was my thinking regarding the 12mm CV for specific times and locations.

I could also get a second pouch like the Kinesis Gear or something from Think Tank and then have both cameras loaded on the Think Tank belt with easy and quick access changing the lenses only when needed.

Rich




Nov 24, 2021 at 12:16 PM
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Nowadays when I travel I bring along either:
a) Sony 12-24 and 24-105 zooms or
b) Voigtlander 21/1.4, 40/1.2k, 180/4, and Loxia 85/2.4
with my a7rii.
Last time I went to Malta I just took the 24-105 and had a great time.

In Rome, especially, I would never carry a camera in a backback or any means where I could not wrap my arms tightly around it immediately in crowded or dynamic situations. (Which seems to be all the time in Rome.) Special care in train stations or the underground. If you sense a situation like a fight or an argument nearby be aware that it might be staged to distract you and make you an easier target.

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Nov 24, 2021 at 12:20 PM
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theHUN wrote:
My main concern is checking for dust after every lens change. The process of removing it can become time consuming, even futile in certain environments. It's not at all an issue in a hotel, but when you are out on the street, with people smoking their cigarettes (we are talking about Europe), I would much rather stick to whatever is mounted on the body. Perhaps this is one instance where I would settle for a zoom.



Rich's new a1 will solve the dust issue when changing lenses for the most part. It has the shutter cover the sensor when you change lenses. It works fantastically well.



Nov 24, 2021 at 12:21 PM
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sandycrane wrote:
Nowadays when I travel I bring along either:
a) Sony 12-24 and 24-105 zooms or
b) Voigtlander 21/1.4, 40/1.2 180/4 and Loxia 85/2.4
with my a7rii.
Last time I went to Malta I just took the 24-105 and had a great time.

In Rome, especially, I would never carry a camera in a backback or any means where I could not wrap my arms tightly around it in crowded situations. (Which seems to be all the time in Rome.) Special care in train stations or the underground. If you sense a situation like a fight or an argument nearby be aware that it might be
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Older people on public transportation with expensive gear is a very tempting target in Italy. Both my Wife and I have come to serious blows with people who tried it on us. I don't take that kind of stuff, and neither does she.



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naturephoto1 wrote:
This is a companion piece to my thread that I started a short time age regarding downloading photos and accessing the internet for an extended period of time while traveling. This thread will be regarding what photo equipment that I should take for what may turn out to be a month long trip to Italy in March of next year with my wife who now needs a rollator (we got her a rollator for all terrain with pneumatic tires), my Step Daughter who is having some health issues and her friend.

First let me say, I am an "old time" photographer
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Your preferred lens set is roughly in line with what I'd recommend. Nice range of FL. 28 vs 35 isn't a big argument imo especially since 28 can be cropped to 35mm. The 100-400 might be too heavy but handy if you need it. 2x a bit much but probably not too heavy either.

28mm pc might be handy if you are shooting architecture idk. Probably kinda heavy, not sure how necessary it is



Nov 24, 2021 at 12:29 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Rich's new a1 will solve the dust issue when changing lenses for the most part. It has the shutter cover the sensor when you change lenses. It works fantastically well.


Oh, I missed that feature. Very nice!



Nov 24, 2021 at 12:32 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Older people on public transportation with expensive gear is a very tempting target in Italy. Both my Wife and I have come to serious blows with people who tried it on us. I don't take that kind of stuff, and neither does she.


Hi Steve,

If walking around Rome as an example will be an issue with the BackStory 13, maybe I should have one camera in the Kinesis Gear Pouch that I showed above and purchase another of these or either the Think Tank Mirrorless Mover 10 or Mirrorless Mover 12 and have both the Kinesis Gear Pouch (s) and one of the Mirrorless Mover bags mounted on the Think Tank belt. I could carry both cameras with mounted lenses and 1 or 2 additional unmounted lenses in one or both bags.

https://www.thinktankphoto.com/collections/mirrorless-movers/products/mirrorless-mover-10

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0532/0233/products/MM-10_0005_Background.jpg

https://www.thinktankphoto.com/collections/mirrorless-movers/products/mirrorless-mover-20

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0532/0233/products/Mirrorless-Mover-dark-blue-new-color_0003_Background.jpg

Rich



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Nov 24, 2021 at 12:38 PM
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theHUN wrote:
My main concern is checking for dust after every lens change. The process of removing it can become time consuming, even futile in certain environments. It's not at all an issue in a hotel, but when you are out on the street, with people smoking their cigarettes (we are talking about Europe), I would much rather stick to whatever is mounted on the body. Perhaps this is one instance where I would settle for a zoom.


Sorry but I find this kind of paranoid advice faintly ridiculous as it is driven by naivety even if well intentioned. I'm not meaning to sound unkind.

I've traveled all over the world, four times in the high mountains of Nepal, many times in the jungles of Borneo, the windswept island of Iceland and just as windy Norway, Scotland and Wales. Dust isn't an issue. At night use vibration and a blower. If there is accumulation then use a wet sensor cleaning kit - it literally takes less than 2 minutes.

And if you ever have dust on a shot? So what. Better to have used the right lens and got the shot and then work on the dust spots in post than not have the shot at all.

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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Steve,

If walking around Rome as an example will be an issue with the BackStory 13, maybe I should have one camera in the Kinesis Gear Pouch that I showed above and purchase another of these or either the Think Tank Mirrorless Mover 10 or Mirrorless Mover 12 and have both the Kinesis Gear Pouch (s) and one of the Mirrorless Mover bags mounted on the Think Tank belt. I could carry both cameras with mounted lenses and 1 or 2 additional unmounted lenses in one or both bags.

https://www.thinktankphoto.com/collections/mirrorless-movers/products/mirrorless-mover-10

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0532/0233/products/MM-10_0005_Background.jpg

https://www.thinktankphoto.com/collections/mirrorless-movers/products/mirrorless-mover-20

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0532/0233/products/Mirrorless-Mover-dark-blue-new-color_0003_Background.jpg

Rich


That bag cries to be stolen...Get something with no labels and looks like you may carry your lunch in it. Once you are away from the tourist areas, you can expect less hassles than in the US. Learn some Italian, it goes a long ways.



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