Photo cross posted in the Sony FE Image Thread and taken at 9:19 AM.
Looking at a room in Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace).
Hand Held relying on Camera IBIS, Kolari Vision UT sensor modified Sony A7rII and Voigtlander 28 mm f2 Ulton II VM lens; silent shutter.
ISO 1600, F8?, 1/30 Second.
March 24, 2022
At Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace), Firenze (Florence), Italy.
genji wrote:
I’ve also owned both and totally agree with Fred’s very fair and accurate summary of the differences between them. I replaced the 28 Cron with Lux and Elmarit 28mm lenses and did intend to sell the Ultron 28 v2 but, despite strongly preferring Leica haptics, I decided to hold on to the Ultron until Leica eventually releases an APO-Summicron 28.
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Whether or not you should pay 3x more for the Cron depends *entirely* on how much you dislike the CV’s haptics.
Finally gave in and bought a copy of this lens. M11 is sold for now – will buy again with the Safari P version in a few years. For now, it's film and maybe back to the SL2-S until the M11 version I want comes out.
I had the 28 Cron Safari for a while, and it rendered very differently from the Lux. The contrast and tonality was... what would be the right phrase... somewhat refined yet ethereal? The contrast seemed to be spread across lower frequency details and wasn't overpowering. Haven't gotten to test the CV yet, but from the samples here it looks like neither the Chron nor the Lux to me but more like the CV 50 APO – very high contrast in the high frequency details, which seems to "sparkle" for lack of a better word. I thought this would be nice on film and be a good opposite look to my 28 Summaron.
Feels like this is a good balance between Leica and CV for film:
highdesertmesa wrote:
Finally gave in and bought a copy of this lens. M11 is sold for now – will buy again with the Safari P version in a few years. For now, it's film and maybe back to the SL2-S until the M11 version I want comes out.
I had the 28 Cron Safari for a while, and it rendered very differently from the Lux. The contrast and tonality was... what would be the right phrase... somewhat refined yet ethereal? The contrast seemed to be spread across lower frequency details and wasn't overpowering. Haven't gotten to test the CV yet, but from the samples here it looks like neither the Chron nor the Lux to me but more like the CV 50 APO – very high contrast in the high frequency details, which seems to "sparkle" for lack of a better word. I thought this would be nice on film and be a good opposite look to my 28 Summaron.
Feels like this is a good balance between Leica and CV for film:...Show more →
Look forward to hearing your feedback on this lens.
I am really excited when I can easily shoot wide open or just at 2.8 on churches and other indoor sceneries being confident about the final output even using a 40mpx camera.
Other than that the AC control over 2.8 is great and let's not forget about the size.
Yes, this lens is always with me:
If I travel with a Sony... I get 28 with techart for both shots on wide open (with less quality on bokeh for the stack but WITH AF) in one pocket of the bag and the sony with 150 500 in the other... If I need a sharp image I use the cv28 at f8...
If I go with M10r.. is my choice N1 for any travel I do.
Always sharp, easily to crop with 40mpx and keeping the quality, great starts, great microcontrast and flare control.
highdesertmesa wrote:
Finally gave in and bought a copy of this lens. M11 is sold for now – will buy again with the Safari P version in a few years. For now, it's film and maybe back to the SL2-S until the M11 version I want comes out.
I had the 28 Cron Safari for a while, and it rendered very differently from the Lux. The contrast and tonality was... what would be the right phrase... somewhat refined yet ethereal? The contrast seemed to be spread across lower frequency details and wasn't overpowering. Haven't gotten to test the CV yet, but from the samples here it looks like neither the Chron nor the Lux to me but more like the CV 50 APO – very high contrast in the high frequency details, which seems to "sparkle" for lack of a better word. I thought this would be nice on film and be a good opposite look to my 28 Summaron.
Feels like this is a good balance between Leica and CV for film: ...Show more →
What, the M11 is sold, already?
I agree about the 28 Cron. Difficult to put a finger on it, but I'm still not sure after owning the 28 Lux now about 6 years that I prefer the Lux's rendering. To me the Cron had a certain boldness of color and contrast/saturation that was slightly atypical of other modern Leica lenses I have used or owned.
I'm sure though the VM28 will look very different than the 35 Lux pre-ASPH, both wide open.
I agree about the 28 Cron. Difficult to put a finger on it, but I'm still not sure after owning the 28 Lux now about 6 years that I prefer the Lux's rendering. To me the Cron had a certain boldness of color and contrast/saturation that was slightly atypical of other modern Leica lenses I have used or owned.
I'm sure though the VM28 will look very different than the 35 Lux pre-ASPH, both wide open.
I may go back and try the silver M11 to see if the extra weight provides me added stability for handheld shooting (and perhaps some internal resistance to shutter shock). But I’m afraid IBIS may be something I can’t live without for landscape shooting since I don’t like to use tripods. And I was also ok with the stapler sound of the M11 mechanical shutter for a while, but it really started to grate on my nerves the longer I used it.
The 28 Cron really shows off its unique signature on a Monochrom, IMO — and easier to see in b&w conversions from color as well. The tonality of certain materials/textures/gradients captured with that lens just jumped out at me. Have I just sold myself on buying the 28 Cron Safari again?
highdesertmesa wrote:
I may go back and try the silver M11 to see if the extra weight provides me added stability for handheld shooting (and perhaps some internal resistance to shutter shock). But I’m afraid IBIS may be something I can’t live without for landscape shooting since I don’t like to use tripods. And I was also ok with the stapler sound of the M11 mechanical shutter for a while, but it really started to grate on my nerves the longer I used it.
The 28 Cron really shows off its unique signature on a Monochrom, IMO — and easier to see in b&w conversions from color as well. The tonality of certain materials/textures/gradients captured with that lens just jumped out at me. Have I just sold myself on buying the 28 Cron Safari again? ...Show more →
I for one love the noise of the M11! So satisfying to hear, but I understand why it wouldn't be pleasant to other folks. I'm going to add this lens to the consideration for my next one! the 28 on the Q2 really made me appreciate this focal length.
Photo cross posted in the Sony FE Image Thread taken at 3:26 PM.
Looking at the inside of the Pantheon, Roma (Rome), Italy.
Monopod mounted A7rII Kolari Vision UT sensor modified camera and Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM lens; silent shutter.
ISO 800, F4?, 1/10 Second.
Exposure Corrected -0.44 Stops.
I'm a bit confused... so many pics on this page are labelled Leica Summicron 28 - but were they taken with that, or is that the profile selected? I ask because this is the CV 28 thread!
Fred Miranda wrote:
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In terms of IQ and rendering, the CV 28/2 Ultron II seems to be a better choice, especially considering the lower price. Some photographers may prefer the Leica haptics and build quality though.
I picked the Leica because of the haptics and design.
If you gave me two pics - one taken by the CV, one by the Leica - and didn't tell me which one was used for which, I would not be able to pick between the two. And honestly I don't think most people would either despite their claims...
So what it comes down to is how it handles/looks/feels physically. And I way prefer the Leica lens for that - there is nothing in the design that I find annoying/off, the design language is always consistent. So it encourages me to use the lens, instead of making me wish that this or that was different.
Interestingly, there are other CV lenses that I feel really nailed the design. I look at my CV 40 1.2 and there is nothing I'd change. And because of that I use it way more than my CV 40 2.8! That lens is optically great, looks sweet in the black paint but they made the bizarre choice of having the aperture ring rotate with the focus ring.
Back to the CV 28 - if one is pragmatic then it's the smart pick.
Desmolicious wrote:
I'm a bit confused... so many pics on this page are labelled Leica Summicron 28 - but were they taken with that, or is that the profile selected? I ask because this is the CV 28 thread!
Many/most of us are using the LR profile for the Leica lens even though the lens in usage is the CV 28mm f2 Ultron II VM. Adobe does not at least at present have a lens profile for the CV lens.
Just starting to use this lens on the SL2-S. Quirky and fun little lens. I didn't expect it to be so traffic cone shaped, especially with a protective filter on there. I ordered the LH-4N hood for it. I prefer this round retro-style hood that takes up less space over the one that's supposed to be used with it, which I think would make the lens look like a tornado siren.
Lens is built like a tank. Very solid feeling, and focus smoothness is better than the Leica tab lenses I've used. This lens focuses more like the 50 Lux BC, which is high praise. The focus tab is really easy to use, and I can change back and forth between this lens and the 35 Lux Pre-ASPH v2 easily. That lens just got a CLA from DAG, and the focusing experience between them is identical. The wider design of the focusing tab on the CV is more comfortable and easier to use for me than Leica's thinner focusing tabs, though. Aperture ring feel is good, similar to other small CV offerings.
Crazy sharp. Vignette profile at f/2 is nice, and it's easy to remove with only the Generic profile in C1 and ~35% strength on the slider – seems less strong than the CV APOs at f/2 and infinity IIRC.
I'll have to use it more before commenting on infinity landscape. Certainly there is nothing at this price point that performs anywhere close to this lens at any distance.
Not sure what's holding me back from being more enthusiastic about this lens, though. I think it's the weird shape of the lens to be completely honest. I'm thinking I'll start to come around once the hood arrives. I wish CV would make black paint versions of all the hoods that fit the black paint lenses.
(Edited to replace photo with reduced sharpening to eliminate grid pattern some were seeing)
highdesertmesa wrote:
Not sure what's holding me back from being more enthusiastic about this lens, though.
I think the fact that it's not a Leica does ad considerable dissonance.
I'm grateful my copy is perfect to my eyes. I don't seem to have any luck with Leica lenses, for which I'm actually quite grateful for. My most recent fails were a new Summilux 35mm and APO-Summicron 75mm.
Reminds me of what Louis CK once said; Everything is amazing but nobody is happy. I have to remind myself of this more often than not.
highdesertmesa wrote:
Just starting to use this lens on the SL2-S. Quirky and fun little lens. I didn't expect it to be so traffic cone shaped, especially with a protective filter on there. I ordered the LH-4N hood for it. I prefer this round retro-style hood that takes up less space over the one that's supposed to be used with it, which I think would make the lens look like a tornado siren.
Lens is built like a tank. Very solid feeling, and focus smoothness is better than the Leica tab lenses I've used. This lens focuses more like the 50 Lux BC, which is high praise. The focus tab is really easy to use, and I can change back and forth between this lens and the 35 Lux Pre-ASPH v2 easily. That lens just got a CLA from DAG, and the focusing experience between them is identical. The wider design of the focusing tab on the CV is more comfortable and easier to use for me than Leica's thinner focusing tabs, though. Aperture ring feel is good, similar to other small CV offerings.
Crazy sharp. Vignette profile at f/2 is nice, and it's easy to remove with only the Generic profile in C1 and ~35% strength on the slider – seems less strong than the CV APOs at f/2 and infinity IIRC.
I'll have to use it more before commenting on infinity landscape. Certainly there is nothing at this price point that performs anywhere close to this lens at any distance.
Not sure what's holding me back from being more enthusiastic about this lens, though. I think it's the weird shape of the lens to be completely honest. I'm thinking I'll start to come around once the hood arrives. I wish CV would make black paint versions of all the hoods that fit the black paint lenses....Show more →
On another note, by the looks of the raster pattern visible in your image, did you do slight rotational adjustments in post? Looks like the typical square patterns that Adobe leaves behind when adjusting the rotation of an image slightly. Does C1 do that too?
hmzimelka wrote:
On another note, by the looks of the raster pattern visible in your image, did you do slight rotational adjustments in post? Looks like the typical square patterns that Adobe leaves behind when adjusting the rotation of an image slightly. Does C1 do that too?
I did see it on another image I rotated but not this one, which was not rotated. I guess these high frequency detail shots get weird on different monitors maybe. The texture on my fence causes the same problem even on photos taken with my iPhone if I rotate a shot of it and the image is sharpened at all. I just went back and replaced it – sharpening reduced to zero in C1 and no sharpening on export. See if that fixes it on your screen.
