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Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review

  
 
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p.37 #1 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Anyone know how this lens behaves on a Sony A7RII? Especially the corners at larger apertures f2-4.0? Anyone tried a PCX/plano-convex lens on this lens?


I'm looking for a small/light MF 28mm for my Sony A7RII, but afraid of corner issues. Fred Miranda reported some issues in his A7R4 test, which I assume translates to the A7RII. On the Phillip Reeve site they mention a great improvement using a PCX on the 35 f1.7, but that is a different design.

Btw, I have the 7artisans 28mm f1.4 and really like the rendering of lens, but it's a bit of a beast. I also have a Contax G 28mm f2.8 which I also like, but not a fan of the focusing adapter. Also, the CY 28mm G2.8 Distagon, which is amazing at all apertures, but again is too large and only f2.8.

I'm looking for 28mm to complement the VM 50mm f1.5 II, which I already have and performs ok in the corners at F5.6+, but while I don't really need good corners at 50mm I do for 28mm.



Aug 02, 2022 at 09:11 AM
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p.37 #2 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


In my my review a lot of testing is done on Sony A7rII and there is also a bokeh comparison for thin/thick filter stack.

Long story short: I am not a huge fan of this lens on the Sony cameras.



Aug 02, 2022 at 09:49 AM
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p.37 #3 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review




BastianK wrote:
In my my review a lot of testing is done on Sony A7rII and there is also a bokeh comparison for thin/thick filter stack.

Long story short: I am not a huge fan of this lens on the Sony cameras.


Thanks Bastian. Are there any other viable options? I see there's also a Voigtlander 28mm f3.5 Color Skopar that gets great reviews on Leica cameras, but no reviews with modern Sony sensor cameras.



Aug 02, 2022 at 12:11 PM
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p.37 #4 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


m43hero wrote:
Anyone know how this lens behaves on a Sony A7RII? Especially the corners at larger apertures f2-4.0? Anyone tried a PCX/plano-convex lens on this lens?

I'm looking for a small/light MF 28mm for my Sony A7RII, but afraid of corner issues. Fred Miranda reported some issues in his A7R4 test, which I assume translates to the A7RII. On the Phillip Reeve site they mention a great improvement using a PCX on the 35 f1.7, but that is a different design.

Btw, I have the 7artisans 28mm f1.4 and really like the rendering of lens, but it's a bit of a beast.
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Shoot several images, with a really good 50mm lens, and stitch a panorama? That is what some folks are doing, with 50mm APO lenses. I have never stitched a panorama, but remember seeing this being discussed, in a Red Dot Forum you-tube video, and in forum discussions. If your present 50/1.5 VM does not have good enough corners, consider the 50mm APO VM.

I also recall much praise, in the FM forum, regarding the Leica Elmarit-R 28mm, version II, with the E55 filter threads. This lens was high on my wish list, at one time, though I have long forgotten any details about corner performance, and have no idea if anyone has used it on any specific Sony bodies. (I decided that I could not justify buying yet another high-end 28mm lens, when I already had the truly excellent Nikkor AF-S 28/1.4E, and a D850 camera. Adding the Leica M system did not mean that I planned to to phase-out Nikon F-mount.) I do not know how this Elmarit-R compares, in size and weight, to your 7artisans 28mm lens.

These are just a couple of things I recall, from my panic-demic/stay-at-home internet excessive-binge time.

If your Sony has enough MP to allow cropping-in, consider shooting with the Nokton 21mm f/1.4 VM, and cropping to ~28mm. Just a thought. There is a discussion of this lens, in this section of the forum. I bought one, and the results are quite impressive, though I am using it on a Leica M10, not a Sony.

I am not any kind of expert; just throwing these ideas out there.



Aug 02, 2022 at 11:31 PM
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p.37 #5 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


m43hero wrote:
Are there any other viable options?

Except for much bigger lenses not really.
Slightly cropping a Loxia 25mm 2.4 or Sony FE 24mm 1.4 GM maybe, but these are also not noticeably smaller than the 7A 28mm 1.4.



Aug 03, 2022 at 01:14 AM
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p.37 #6 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


What about the TT artisans 28/5.6? better to go for the VM28?

BastianK wrote:
Except for much bigger lenses not really.
Slightly cropping a Loxia 25mm 2.4 or Sony FE 24mm 1.4 GM maybe, but these are also not noticeably smaller than the 7A 28mm 1.4.





Aug 03, 2022 at 08:04 AM
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p.37 #7 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


RexGig0 wrote:
Shoot several images, with a really good 50mm lens, and stitch a panorama? That is what some folks are doing, with 50mm APO lenses. I have never stitched a panorama, but remember seeing this being discussed, in a Red Dot Forum you-tube video, and in forum discussions. If your present 50/1.5 VM does not have good enough corners, consider the 50mm APO VM.

I also recall much praise, in the FM forum, regarding the Leica Elmarit-R 28mm, version II, with the E55 filter threads. This lens was high on my wish list, at one time, though I have long forgotten any
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First the size comparison of the Leica M 24mm f3.8 Asph, Minolta 28mm f2.8 M-Rokkor, CV 28mm f2 Ultron II VM and Leica R 28mm f2.8 Elmarit V2 can be seen in the following link:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/3#15625776

As to the performance of the Leica R 28mm f2.8 Elmarit V2 on my Sony A7rIII vs the CV 28mm Ultron II VM lens on my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified A7rII, the Ultron II crushed the Leica R 28mm f2.8 Elmarit II into the corners when mounted on my stock A7rIII.

As a result of my findings with the CV 28mm f2 Ultron II VM on my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified A7rII and my Leica R 28mm f2.8 Elmarit II on both my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified A7rII and my stock A7rIII, I sold the Leica 28mm soon after my purchase of the CV 28mm Ultron II.

You can see my comparisons in the following links:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/4#15627592

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/4#15627615

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/4#15627667

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/4#15627692

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/4#15627701

Rich



Aug 03, 2022 at 08:28 AM
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p.37 #8 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


hanay78 wrote:
What about the TT artisans 28/5.6? better to go for the VM28?


Because of the flare issues of the TTA lens (albeit a reader told me the lens performs better after painting the brass parts black) I would go with the VM 28mm 2.0 here, yes.

There is a bit of light at the horizon in 28mm land though as there is a (fast and not compact) 28mm lens on its way to me that I am not at liberty to discuss yet



Aug 03, 2022 at 08:55 AM
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p.37 #9 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


BastianK wrote:
Because of the flare issues of the TTA lens (albeit a reader told me the lens performs better after painting the brass parts black) I would go with the VM 28mm 2.0 here, yes.

There is a bit of light at the horizon in 28mm land though as there is a (fast and not compact) 28mm lens on its way to me that I am not at liberty to discuss yet


I want a CV version of the 28 Lux Given the insane performance of the CV 21 f/1.4, I would have have high hopes for a 28mm version.



Aug 03, 2022 at 11:35 AM
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p.37 #10 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


BastianK wrote:
In my my review a lot of testing is done on Sony A7rII and there is also a bokeh comparison for thin/thick filter stack.

Long story short: I am not a huge fan of this lens on the Sony cameras.


I agree, Bastian. I keep using my Zeiss ZE 28/2 with MC-11, or as you said later, cropping slightly (when desired) from Loxia 25, which has terrific IQ.

It would be nice to get an affordable CV 28/2 E-mount along the lines of the 40/1.2E's size and performance.

Looking forward to your later report on the "confidential" lens you are getting . . .




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p.37 #11 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


It seems, there is now a black version of the TT 28/5.6, it seems that it have the rear brass parts also painted in black.

BastianK wrote:
Because of the flare issues of the TTA lens (albeit a reader told me the lens performs better after painting the brass parts black) I would go with the VM 28mm 2.0 here, yes.

There is a bit of light at the horizon in 28mm land though as there is a (fast and not compact) 28mm lens on its way to me that I am not at liberty to discuss yet





Aug 03, 2022 at 02:16 PM
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p.37 #12 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Photo cross posted in the Sony FE Image Thread and taken at 1:42 PM.

Looking down a cobblestone street and through arches at the Pompeii archaeological site.
Hand Held relying on Camera IBIS, A7rII Kolari Vision UT Sensor modified camera and Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM lens; silent shutter.
ISO 200, F8?, 1/160 Second.
Exposure Corrected +0.26 Stops.

March 19, 2022
At Pompeii, Italy.

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Aug 08, 2022 at 08:39 AM
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p.37 #13 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


A did some tests and that is coming from this lens

Sony A7r3 - Voigtlander 28 2 ii



Leica M10R - Voigtlander 28 2ii



Quite clear how good is on M10 compared to Sony!



Aug 08, 2022 at 09:09 AM
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p.37 #14 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Photo cross posted in the Sony FE Image Thread and taken at 6:05 PM.

Looking at farmers fields near the intersection of Loch Valley Road and Stony Ridge Road. Some of the fields have yet to be planted.
Tripod mounted A7rII Kolari Vision UT sensor modified camera and Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II Asph VM lens with Moose (Peterson) Warm Polarizing Filter; silent shutter.
ISO 100, f8, 1/40 second.
Exposure Corrected -0.35 Stops.

June 6, 2022
Along Loch Valley Road, New Tripoli, PA.

Rich







Aug 15, 2022 at 06:18 AM
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p.37 #15 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


BastianK wrote:
Because of the flare issues of the TTA lens (albeit a reader told me the lens performs better after painting the brass parts black) I would go with the VM 28mm 2.0 here, yes.

There is a bit of light at the horizon in 28mm land though as there is a (fast and not compact) 28mm lens on its way to me that I am not at liberty to discuss yet


Could you cough to indicate if it's for the E-mount natively?



Aug 17, 2022 at 07:20 AM
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p.37 #16 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


JVan_02 wrote:
Could you cough to indicate if it's for the E-mount natively?

It is



Aug 17, 2022 at 08:27 AM
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Aug 17, 2022 at 09:59 AM
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p.37 #18 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


For those wondering how the Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron II compares to the Leica 28/2 Cron II, I own both and they are virtually the same in terms of resolution, contrast and rendering.

Minor differences:
  1. The CV 28 has slight smoother rendering with a bit less bokeh outlining. Their rendering is pretty much equal and these differences can only be detected at high magnifications.
  2. The CV 28 is capable of higher resolution across the field at infinity distance. However, the difference is small making both lenses ideal for landscapes. (Similar low FC at infinity as well)
  3. The CV 28 focuses closer (0.7m vs 0.5m) and it's noticeably smaller/lighter.
  4. The CV 28 is more flare resistant.
  5. The Leica 28/2 has a small edge on axial CA correction.
  6. The Leica 28/2 has slightly better optical vignetting correction.
In terms of IQ and rendering, the CV 28/2 Ultron II seems to be a better choice, especially considering the lower price. Some photographers may prefer the Leica haptics and build quality though.



Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM
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p.37 #19 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Thank you Fred for this post! I've been using the CV, but constantly think about if I should pay 3x more the Cron II.


Aug 17, 2022 at 12:38 PM
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p.37 #20 · Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II Review


Fred Miranda wrote:
For those wondering how the Voigtlander 28/2 Ultron II compares to the Leica 28/2 Cron II, I own both and they are virtually the same in terms of resolution, contrast and rendering.

Minor differences:
  1. The CV 28 has slight smoother rendering with a bit less bokeh outlining. Their rendering is pretty much equal and these differences can only be detected at high magnifications.
  2. The CV 28 is capable of higher resolution across the field at infinity distance. However, the difference is small making both lenses ideal for landscapes. (Similar low FC at infinity as well)
  3. The CV 28 focuses closer (0.7m vs
  4. The CV 28 is more flare resistant.
  5. The Leica 28/2 has a small edge on axial CA correction.
  6. The Leica 28/2 has slightly better optical vignetting correction.
In terms of IQ and rendering, the CV 28/2 Ultron II seems to be a better choice, especially considering the lower price. Some photographers may prefer the Leica haptics and build quality though.
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I’ve also owned both and totally agree with Fred’s very fair and accurate summary of the differences between them. I replaced the 28 Cron with Lux and Elmarit 28mm lenses and did intend to sell the Ultron 28 v2 but, despite strongly preferring Leica haptics, I decided to hold on to the Ultron until Leica eventually releases an APO-Summicron 28.

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chuhsi1 wrote:
Thank you Fred for this post! I've been using the CV, but constantly think about if I should pay 3x more the Cron II.


Whether or not you should pay 3x more for the Cron depends *entirely* on how much you dislike the CV’s haptics.




Aug 17, 2022 at 04:58 PM
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