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Archive 2021Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
p.9 #1Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
HelenaN wrote:
Thank you for reminding me!
I love the Tiffen Pearlescent filter and use it a lot. Lately we have had awful weather, so I have mostly done night shooting in town with it. Here is a bunch, all taken with A7RII and CV 75mm f/1.5 (last one was pure luck - it's not arranged):
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211020_017_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211020_006_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211024_005_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211024_009_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20210922_015_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211103_026_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211020_012_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
Wonderful shots! I think you just convinced me to pick up one of these filters...and schedule a trip to Norway
Thank you for reminding me!
I love the Tiffen Pearlescent filter and use it a lot. Lately we have had awful weather, so I have mostly done night shooting in town with it. Here is a bunch, all taken with A7RII and CV 75mm f/1.5 (last one was pure luck - it's not arranged):https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211020_017_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211020_006_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211024_005_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211024_009_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20210922_015_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211103_026_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/2021/20211020_012_a7rll-cv75b.jpg
Wonderful shots! I think you just convinced me to pick up one of these filters...and schedule a trip to Norway
Nov 14, 2021 at 12:26 AM
p.9 #2Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
I bought a CineSoft Diffusion filter but not really had the chance to use/test it much aside from some night skies.
Nov 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM
p.9 #3Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
highdesertmesa wrote:
I find it softens and blends lights and highlights in a lovely way too—and it diffuses axial CA at times in an appreciable way.
@highdesertmesa@@@@@ What’s the issue with the M10m over the Q2M?I believe @highdesertmesa@@@@@ is referring to this as reported by diglloyd, probably and others also…. https://diglloyd.com/blog/2021/20210102_2200-LeicaM10M-SensorBifurcation.htmlYes, and there is a thread on Leica Forum with others who have the issue. Some do not have the issue. Basically the minute I pushed contrast in post a vertical line would appear in the top center of the frame (fading out before reaching the center of the frame). The sensor is stitched together along that line in manufacturing, and something is getting screwed up along the way — maybe a voltage error, who knows. But the end result is a very slight difference in exposure from one side of the frame to the other that only shows at the top. Leica’s response to one person with the issue was it was normal if pushing the contrast in post (and gave the above manufacturing explanation) — which to me is BS because monochrome sensors need a lot to contrast added to emulate some popular high-contrast film/paper combinations. Not everyone intends to use a monochrome camera just for shooting low-contrast street photography! AND — the Q2M does not have the same issue, so clearly Leica needs to address the issue, IMO.Well, if the Q2M doesn't have the issue that is likely good news because you can bet the Q2M sensor is made in a similar way. it suggests the problem is a lot more fixable than having to make the sensor differently.Getting Leica to acknowledge it as a issue and be willing to correct it in firmware will be difficult enough. But my fear is this is hardware related since some M10M users report theirs do not show the issue even with massive adjustments to contrast/dehaze/clarity in post. The M10M/M10-R sensors are derived from the S3 medium format sensor design, but the Q2/Q2M/SL2 were designed directly for 35mm. But still — the fact that some M10M show the issue and some don’t — and that the manufacture dates between the good and bad ones are intermingled points more toward a lapse...Show more →
I haven't seen any isuues with my M 10 M. So I guess I am one that has not had issues.
Steve Spencer wrote
highdesertmesa wrote
robsonj wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
The BPM makes rendering quite pleasant imo, especially when there are light sources in the background. It does not really rob any resolution, just a bit of contrast.@highdesertmesa@@@@@ What’s the issue with the M10m over the Q2M?
I haven't seen any isuues with my M 10 M. So I guess I am one that has not had issues.
Nov 14, 2021 at 10:34 AM
p.9 #4Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
hanay78, Bob and VetraLens thank you very much!
Here are some comparisons; without and with the Tiffen Pearlescent 1/2 filter. Taken with CV 75/1.5 VM. No tripod, so they aren't identical, but hopefully similar enough to be useful.
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/6_No-filter_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/6_Tiffen_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/15b_No-filter_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/15_Tiffen_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/22b_No-filter_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/22_Tiffen_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/20210922_013_a7rll-cv75.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/20210922_014_a7rll-cv75_pearlescent.jpg
Here are some comparisons; without and with the Tiffen Pearlescent 1/2 filter. Taken with CV 75/1.5 VM. No tripod, so they aren't identical, but hopefully similar enough to be useful.
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/6_No-filter_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/6_Tiffen_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/15b_No-filter_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/15_Tiffen_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/22b_No-filter_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/22_Tiffen_75mm_f15.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/20210922_013_a7rll-cv75.jpg
https://helenasphotography.com/keep/20210922_014_a7rll-cv75_pearlescent.jpg
Nov 14, 2021 at 10:40 AM
p.9 #5Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
I really enjoy the my Pearlescent soft blooming, and the BPM filters still.
Just a photo of my old guy snoozing with the Pearlescent 1 with the 35i.
Just a photo of my old guy snoozing with the Pearlescent 1 with the 35i.
Nov 14, 2021 at 04:31 PM
p.9 #6Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Has a look similar to color Polaroid. Nice.
Nov 17, 2021 at 07:55 AM
p.9 #7Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Has anyone tried the nisi or the haida? how do they compare with BPM?
Nov 17, 2021 at 08:23 AM
p.9 #8Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Josegulias wrote:
Has anyone tried the nisi or the haida? how do they compare with BPM?
Yep, I have the Haida 1/4 and Kenko No. 1 but nothing to compare it to.
Results look similar to what I've seen here. I'm happy with both of them. The Haida is nicer made with its thin frame.
Has anyone tried the nisi or the haida? how do they compare with BPM?
Yep, I have the Haida 1/4 and Kenko No. 1 but nothing to compare it to.
Results look similar to what I've seen here. I'm happy with both of them. The Haida is nicer made with its thin frame.
Nov 18, 2021 at 11:03 AM
p.9 #9Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
jcolwell wrote:
Has a look similar to color Polaroid. Nice.
Lots of that is the processing too. I can post an unedited it anyone wants.
Has a look similar to color Polaroid. Nice.
Lots of that is the processing too. I can post an unedited it anyone wants.
Nov 18, 2021 at 11:33 AM
p.9 #10Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Thanks to @HelenaN for making me aware of this threads and the possibilities of the pearlescent filters
Lox50 f2+A7RII + Tiffen Pearlescent 1/2
Lox50 f2+A7RII + Tiffen Pearlescent 1/2
Dec 19, 2021 at 06:36 AM
p.9 #11Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
The TideOptics Cinesoft wasn't really a strong enough effect for me so last week I took delivery of the Moment Cinebloom in both 10% & 20% seeing as I couldn't really decide & they were on offer & the postage costs across the pond etc......
I've used them both a little mainly for slightly foggy woodland scenes which is where I spend a lot of time. I also used one for night sky but can't recall which now.
The TideOptics is going to be permanently on the film camera I think.
*** by Lee, on Flickr
I've used them both a little mainly for slightly foggy woodland scenes which is where I spend a lot of time. I also used one for night sky but can't recall which now.
The TideOptics is going to be permanently on the film camera I think.
*** by Lee, on Flickr
Dec 19, 2021 at 06:54 AM
p.9 #12Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
What is the effect difference between Pearlescent and BPM? Similar halation and low contrast?
Mar 05, 2022 at 10:12 AM
Mar 06, 2022 at 02:03 AM
p.9 #14Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
For people who are interested in exploring diffusion and halation effects with software rather than physical filters, it's worth noting that version 17 of DaVinci Resolve has added some very effective tools for this. It has always had diffusion, but added halation in version 17 and I've been playing with it a bit. Resolve is for video, but if you can save a DNG or TIFF file it can edit it.
I shot this a couple of years ago on a Blackmagic Micro Cinema camera (Super 16-size sensor) with a Tokina ATX Pro 28-70 f/2.6-2.8 zoom, which didn't need any help to give it a film-like feel, but I added just a smidgen of halation in Resolve which mainly affected the catchlights and had some subtle effects elsewhere. I've been experimenting with this camera for portraits as it has very film-like characteristics; it shoots CDNG raw although each image is only 2 megapixels so it's not exactly high resolution! I color grade it in Resolve, grab a still and export a TIFF, and upscale it in post, which generally works well.
Claire at parc national du Bic by Brad Hurley, on Flickr
I shot this a couple of years ago on a Blackmagic Micro Cinema camera (Super 16-size sensor) with a Tokina ATX Pro 28-70 f/2.6-2.8 zoom, which didn't need any help to give it a film-like feel, but I added just a smidgen of halation in Resolve which mainly affected the catchlights and had some subtle effects elsewhere. I've been experimenting with this camera for portraits as it has very film-like characteristics; it shoots CDNG raw although each image is only 2 megapixels so it's not exactly high resolution! I color grade it in Resolve, grab a still and export a TIFF, and upscale it in post, which generally works well.
Claire at parc national du Bic by Brad Hurley, on FlickrMar 06, 2022 at 06:45 AM
p.9 #15Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
After skimming the las 9 pages I haven't seen the Haida Black Pro Mist filters mentioned. Maybe because they have been released relatively recently? According to this comparison video between tiffen, freewell and haida the 1/4 haida seems to be a bit stronger than the 1/4 tiffen https://youtu.be/k2r-3uZxbdE?t=263. The video is in german but the comparison speaks for itself.
Based off of that I purchased a 1/4 and 1/8 Haida BPM as the tiffen is a little hard to get over here in europe and is quite a bit more expensive (because of shipping) than the haida.
I hope it's ok to post a non-Sony image in a sony sub forum. But this thread is about the filters, so maybe it could be moved to general gear talk?
Canon R5, EF 40 2.8 pancake, f/4.0 and 1/1250, iso 100.
really liking that 1/8 haida filter. 1/4 can be too strong in some circumstances. Even with the 1/8 and strong light sources (like the sun) you have to be careful where to place your subject as the overspill of light can be a bit too much at times. So far I really like the look for certain situations. Certainly not a filter to have on all the time for me, but it is nice to have it in my kit.
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Based off of that I purchased a 1/4 and 1/8 Haida BPM as the tiffen is a little hard to get over here in europe and is quite a bit more expensive (because of shipping) than the haida.
I hope it's ok to post a non-Sony image in a sony sub forum. But this thread is about the filters, so maybe it could be moved to general gear talk?
Canon R5, EF 40 2.8 pancake, f/4.0 and 1/1250, iso 100.
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really liking that 1/8 haida filter. 1/4 can be too strong in some circumstances. Even with the 1/8 and strong light sources (like the sun) you have to be careful where to place your subject as the overspill of light can be a bit too much at times. So far I really like the look for certain situations. Certainly not a filter to have on all the time for me, but it is nice to have it in my kit.
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Jun 30, 2022 at 05:01 AM
p.9 #16Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Based off of that I purchased a 1/4 and 1/8 Haida BPM as the tiffen is a little hard to get over here in europe and is quite a bit more expensive (because of shipping) than the haida.
For the Tiffen diffusion filters, the best way is wait and buy them when US big store offer a discount, they often send in EU with prepaid taxes.
The pro of Tiffen filters is not the quality itself but the large choice of versions and the consistance on the effect they give you.
For other brands, you have to make a gambl, and certain effect do not exist.
1/4 can be too strong in some circumstances
Example: Black mist filter work better in dark location with controlled light sources or source of light strong and limited in frame coverage.
For outdoor with diffuse light i suggest you for the shot a glimmerglass, but it is matter of taste (and avaible choice).
For the Tiffen diffusion filters, the best way is wait and buy them when US big store offer a discount, they often send in EU with prepaid taxes.
The pro of Tiffen filters is not the quality itself but the large choice of versions and the consistance on the effect they give you.
For other brands, you have to make a gambl, and certain effect do not exist.
1/4 can be too strong in some circumstances
Example: Black mist filter work better in dark location with controlled light sources or source of light strong and limited in frame coverage.
For outdoor with diffuse light i suggest you for the shot a glimmerglass, but it is matter of taste (and avaible choice).
Jul 01, 2022 at 01:22 PM
p.9 #17Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Maknof wrote:
For the Tiffen diffusion filters, the best way is wait and buy them when US big store offer a discount, they often send in EU with prepaid taxes.
The pro of Tiffen filters is not the quality itself but the large choice of versions and the consistance on the effect they give you.
For other brands, you have to make a gambl, and certain effect do not exist.
Where are you ordering from? B&H adds 22$ for shipping and 22$ for duties and taxes. Adorama added 41$ UPS worldwide and I don't know if that includes taxes and duties. Amazon has it listed for 108€ (77mm) inlcuding taxes and duties (free shipping). So I'll order it from there and compare to my Haida.
I can't comment on the consistency of the effect. I think this is really dependend on light, angle and possibly used lens. Some lenses are more prone to lensflares than others or reflections due to the filter. I have the Haida in 52mm on my EF 40 2.8 a lens I suspect to be not as prone to lensflares compared to other lenses with bigger front element (pure speculation on my part, so could be totally wrong). I will test it out once the Tiffen 77mm 1/4 arrives on my 35L and hopefully RF 35L soon....
I have several photos of that same evening I posted above of my wife and our son. On some of them you can't see their faces and others turned out great due to the effect. I agree with you on the use on overcast days. Then, the filter isn't for me personally. I don't like that vaseline-on-lens-look and prefer the overspill of sunlight into the scene and am eager to test it out in the city during the night (preferably after some rain).
Has anyone used a Warm Black Pro Mist Filter or are you controlling color in post?
For the Tiffen diffusion filters, the best way is wait and buy them when US big store offer a discount, they often send in EU with prepaid taxes.
The pro of Tiffen filters is not the quality itself but the large choice of versions and the consistance on the effect they give you.
For other brands, you have to make a gambl, and certain effect do not exist.
Where are you ordering from? B&H adds 22$ for shipping and 22$ for duties and taxes. Adorama added 41$ UPS worldwide and I don't know if that includes taxes and duties. Amazon has it listed for 108€ (77mm) inlcuding taxes and duties (free shipping). So I'll order it from there and compare to my Haida.
I can't comment on the consistency of the effect. I think this is really dependend on light, angle and possibly used lens. Some lenses are more prone to lensflares than others or reflections due to the filter. I have the Haida in 52mm on my EF 40 2.8 a lens I suspect to be not as prone to lensflares compared to other lenses with bigger front element (pure speculation on my part, so could be totally wrong). I will test it out once the Tiffen 77mm 1/4 arrives on my 35L and hopefully RF 35L soon....
I have several photos of that same evening I posted above of my wife and our son. On some of them you can't see their faces and others turned out great due to the effect. I agree with you on the use on overcast days. Then, the filter isn't for me personally. I don't like that vaseline-on-lens-look and prefer the overspill of sunlight into the scene and am eager to test it out in the city during the night (preferably after some rain).
Has anyone used a Warm Black Pro Mist Filter or are you controlling color in post?
Jul 04, 2022 at 06:19 AM
p.9 #18Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
From a shoot I did back in May with my Tiffen Black Pro Mist Filter 1/2 and A7RIV + 35mm f1.4 GM.
When watching the demonstration videos on Tiffen’s YouTube channel I found myself drawn to the stronger filters.
When watching the demonstration videos on Tiffen’s YouTube channel I found myself drawn to the stronger filters.
Jul 04, 2022 at 06:58 AM
p.9 #19Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Where are you ordering from?
Often BH or Amazon.com sometimes , it depend on the price price tag. if discount are avaible and on exchange rates, actually USD is strong vs EUR and CHF (and CHF is strong vs eur)
In EU sometimes Amazon keep the most sold in EU warehose, sometimes with good price, sometimes at import + taxes price.
Actually i see 72bpm12 a7 89 eur. in Switzerland you get a different price cause different VAT
But some filter types are unavaible in EU,
Warming filter over a standard filters and white balance are very good when you shot with artificial light that cause blue casts (Fluo , led) ot with skintones especialli the pales or textiles under shadow in dayligt shooting with cold reflected light (asphalt, concrete).
Often BH or Amazon.com sometimes , it depend on the price price tag. if discount are avaible and on exchange rates, actually USD is strong vs EUR and CHF (and CHF is strong vs eur)
In EU sometimes Amazon keep the most sold in EU warehose, sometimes with good price, sometimes at import + taxes price.
Actually i see 72bpm12 a7 89 eur. in Switzerland you get a different price cause different VAT
But some filter types are unavaible in EU,
Warming filter over a standard filters and white balance are very good when you shot with artificial light that cause blue casts (Fluo , led) ot with skintones especialli the pales or textiles under shadow in dayligt shooting with cold reflected light (asphalt, concrete).
Jul 04, 2022 at 11:22 AM
p.9 #20Diffusion Filters! (or Effect Filters in general)
Maknof wrote:
Often BH or Amazon.com sometimes , it depend on the price price tag. if discount are avaible and on exchange rates, actually USD is strong vs EUR and CHF (and CHF is strong vs eur)
CHF and EUR are almost 1:1 right now. Even tough the Tiffen BPM 1/4 77mm is cheaper at B&H shipping, taxes and duties make it more expensive to order from them compared to amazon germany.
Maknof wrote:
Actually i see 72bpm12 a7 89 eur. in Switzerland you get a different price cause different VAT
The price of the Tiffen 1/4 BPM 77mm is 108€ incl. shipping, taxes and duties on amazon.de for me. Not much more than the Haida and I‘d guess the Tiffen is better quality. I’ll see when it gets here.
Maknof wrote:
But some filter types are unavaible in EU,
Warming filter over a standard filters and white balance are very good when you shot with artificial light that cause blue casts (Fluo , led) ot with skintones especialli the pales or textiles under shadow in dayligt shooting with cold reflected light (asphalt, concrete).
Good info, thank you! What about landscape? Worth it or better use WB, Color Masks?
Jul 04, 2022 at 02:15 PM