Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
p.9 #1Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
LBJ2 wrote:
I used to own Olympus OM film SLRs, so I hope Sony and Sigma can replicate much of that. I’d like Sony G/Sigma I-series 85/2.8, 135/3.5, 200/4, 300/4.5 as well.
Yes, I very much agree and that is part of my puzzlement with these lenses. If they would have been an 85 or 90 f/2.8, a 135 f/2.8 or f/3.5, and a 180 f/3.5 or f/4, they would have added something quite new to the system. I would love to see small versions of some of these longer lenses and especially high quality small versions, but alas Sony has given us more lenses in the crowded 24-50mm range.I do think that what they are going for is small and high quality--otherwise they would not be G-designated and with reduced apertures.
I think one of the complaints that Sony has been hearing is that their lenses/bodies have gotten too large and have gotten Sony away from the compactness and ease of handling that was one of the initial attractions for the Sony NEX cameras, then the Sony APS-C cameras, and then the first A7 bodies.
I don't think Sony wants to or that they should give up or slow down on the big, very high quality lenses, like the 50/1.2 GM or the 12-24/2.8 or the 600/4. They want to be the best pro camera system.
But I do think they want to reclaim compactness and I think that is what these lenses are after. The A7C has been a success for them, probably to be followed by other versions, and I think it illustrates a design strategy for them: You can get best in class image quality (and the A7C has the best image quality sensor that Sony sells, per Bill Claff's measurements) in a compact form IF you are willing to compromise on some other characteristics. Like the EVF in the A7C or like max aperture in this new series of G lenses.
These lens, at least as I am imagining them, are very appealing to me. Yes, I would still want the big, max ap lenses like the 50/1.2. But I would love to have a set of smaller, very high quality primes and zooms (like the 24-70 -- see Fred's review) that are compact and easy to carry, easy to travel with, easy to handle, and that don't make candid subjects feel like you are aiming a bazooka at them.
I hope that what these lenses will be.I think you missed my point. I am not saying Sony is not going for small high IQ lenses with these new announced lenses, and I am certainly not saying they are turning away from bigger Pro lenses (there recent introductions make it clear that isn't happening), what I am saying is that if they want to support the A7c or compactness for the Sony E mount system, what is really needed is some longer lenses not more shorter focal length lenses. If you want to shoot the A7c for a compact system you have tons of choice lenses between 24 and 50mm, but almost no choices longer than 85mm. IMO, if they want to support the ability to have a small system, then they needed to offer some longer focal length, smaller lenses that were high quality and that adding these lenses to the crowded 24-50mm space does little to advance shooting a compact system.The current small Sony E-mount lenses are 28/2, 35/1.8, 35/2.8 ZA, 50/1.8 and 55/1.8 ZA. So the 24/2.8 G immefiately adds to the rsnge of small lenses. The 40/2.5 G and 50/2.5 G are not as obvious additions here and now, but they may share a 40.5mm filter size. All of the G lenses may have aperture rings, which improves operation with the A7c, which has fewer wheels/dials than thevordinary A7/s/r models. The only high quality small lenses currently are 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA. The nifty-fifty 50/1.8 extemds while focusing. So, it’s easy to make a case for the 24/2.8 G as an addition of high quality lenses. The case for the 40/2.5 G and 50/2.5 G will likely be one or more of the following; aperture ring, diminutive size with 40.5mm filter and Sony/Minolta as opposed to Zeiss rendering. A small filter thread is a Leica thing, small M-lenses with diminutive 39mm filter diameter, and 40.5mm filter diameters appears just as small. So enough reasons to make another 50mm and 40mm lens. To some 40mm is sufficiently different from both 35mm and 50mm to warrant a purchase, as it is semi-normal.
Let’s also wait and see the price tags of the 40/2.5 and 50/2.5 compare to 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA. My guess is that the 35/2.8 ZA isn’t that competitive against the Samyang 35/2.8 and Tamron 35/2.8.
A line of compact G lenses may see more lenses, hopefully 85/2.8 and 135/3.5 added later.
135mm is not Leica-specific. Each and every manufacturers have made a ton of them, and they were popular before the advent of cheap and good tele-zooms in the 1970s.
Leica 90mm Thambar is a special portrait lens, not a regular 90mm. We could just as well say that Tamron owns the 90mm focal length with their many incarnations of Tamron 90/2.5 and 90/2.8 MF and AF macro lenses.Good reminder and nice summary. I like the way you lined up the existing with the coming. Makes for a compelling native, small and compact FE lens system when looked at as a whole.
I kept my original FE 35 F2.8 and FE 55 F1.8 simply because they are very good lenses when I need to use Sony FF light & tight as possible without giving up native system features and functions.
Personally, I can't wait to see what these new Sony lenses look like. The 2.5 aperture brings a few interesting possibilities particularly when I think about the FE...Show more →
Thanks for the nice words. I too have kept my 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA, and I hope the 24/2.8 can match them.
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LBJ2 wrote:
Sony does not have to emulate Leica. In fact, Leica are following Sony and others. Their Ms now can take an EVF and are all sporting live view.
Think of the success of Samyang tiny series but with G quality.I think this shows some ignorance of Leica history. The first three Leica lenses introduced were a 35mm, a 50mm, and a 135mm, and the Leica 90 Thambar was made for Leica in 1935 for the very first Leica screw mount system. Leica has for a long time embraced the 90mm and 135mm focal lengths. These are not an odd focal lengths by any stretch of the imagination for Leica and have a long and distinguished history on the Leica platform. The 90mm and 135mm focal lengths in Leica history actually preceded the 24mm focal length and the 40mm focal length by quite a lot.Rude, but unconvincing and not to the point. Obviously they made some moderate lengths. Not the point. How many lenses do they sell in each focal length category?I didn't mean to suggest that Sony was emulating Leica. Sony is less emulating than perhaps incipiently displacing them for uses favoring a small, fast, high quality kit.
Perhaps that is why Leica is raising their prices substantially--to enhance the aura of Je ne sais quoi that surrounds their offerings.
I spent some of the last month wondering whether I should plunk down 10k to savor this rare essence. At the moment, I seem to have recovered. If these new G lenses go where I hope they will, that will help me to stay recovered.I better send you some more Leica videos...fast 
Oh wait, here's a nice one "An Artist taking photos of another artist, Leica Style"
I was once a Leica user, and I try to stay put in the Sony system.
bjornthun wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
chiron wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
bjornthun wrote
Olympus OM Zuiko f/2.8 wides are typically 170-180 grams.I used to own Olympus OM film SLRs, so I hope Sony and Sigma can replicate much of that. I’d like Sony G/Sigma I-series 85/2.8, 135/3.5, 200/4, 300/4.5 as well.
I think one of the complaints that Sony has been hearing is that their lenses/bodies have gotten too large and have gotten Sony away from the compactness and ease of handling that was one of the initial attractions for the Sony NEX cameras, then the Sony APS-C cameras, and then the first A7 bodies.
I don't think Sony wants to or that they should give up or slow down on the big, very high quality lenses, like the 50/1.2 GM or the 12-24/2.8 or the 600/4. They want to be the best pro camera system.
But I do think they want to reclaim compactness and I think that is what these lenses are after. The A7C has been a success for them, probably to be followed by other versions, and I think it illustrates a design strategy for them: You can get best in class image quality (and the A7C has the best image quality sensor that Sony sells, per Bill Claff's measurements) in a compact form IF you are willing to compromise on some other characteristics. Like the EVF in the A7C or like max aperture in this new series of G lenses.
These lens, at least as I am imagining them, are very appealing to me. Yes, I would still want the big, max ap lenses like the 50/1.2. But I would love to have a set of smaller, very high quality primes and zooms (like the 24-70 -- see Fred's review) that are compact and easy to carry, easy to travel with, easy to handle, and that don't make candid subjects feel like you are aiming a bazooka at them.
I hope that what these lenses will be.
Let’s also wait and see the price tags of the 40/2.5 and 50/2.5 compare to 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA. My guess is that the 35/2.8 ZA isn’t that competitive against the Samyang 35/2.8 and Tamron 35/2.8.
A line of compact G lenses may see more lenses, hopefully 85/2.8 and 135/3.5 added later.
135mm is not Leica-specific. Each and every manufacturers have made a ton of them, and they were popular before the advent of cheap and good tele-zooms in the 1970s.
Leica 90mm Thambar is a special portrait lens, not a regular 90mm. We could just as well say that Tamron owns the 90mm focal length with their many incarnations of Tamron 90/2.5 and 90/2.8 MF and AF macro lenses.
I kept my original FE 35 F2.8 and FE 55 F1.8 simply because they are very good lenses when I need to use Sony FF light & tight as possible without giving up native system features and functions.
Personally, I can't wait to see what these new Sony lenses look like. The 2.5 aperture brings a few interesting possibilities particularly when I think about the FE...Show more →
Thanks for the nice words. I too have kept my 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA, and I hope the 24/2.8 can match them.
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LBJ2 wrote:
chiron wrote
realVivek wrote
There are Leica handbooks that actually list all the stuff they churned out and how many per year. I even have a few of those from the past. Not a big deal.Sony does not have to emulate Leica. In fact, Leica are following Sony and others. Their Ms now can take an EVF and are all sporting live view.
chiron wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
chiron wrote
It's a question of emphasis and of clarifying or establishing the territory. If new high quality G lenses are establishing a system for the A7C, one would start in the heart of what the family, traveling and street-oriented photographer would want. Leica's first lens was not a 90mm, nor is it the heart of the system. The smaller lenses that are now available for the A&C ae fine but still a bit large and not necessarily very special.Think of the success of Samyang tiny series but with G quality.
Perhaps that is why Leica is raising their prices substantially--to enhance the aura of Je ne sais quoi that surrounds their offerings.
I spent some of the last month wondering whether I should plunk down 10k to savor this rare essence. At the moment, I seem to have recovered. If these new G lenses go where I hope they will, that will help me to stay recovered.
Oh wait, here's a nice one "An Artist taking photos of another artist, Leica Style"
I was once a Leica user, and I try to stay put in the Sony system.
Mar 20, 2021 at 02:02 PM
p.9 #2Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Well, *I* certainly want a compact short telephoto. I want a small, sharp 90mm around f/2.5 to f/4.
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Mar 20, 2021 at 02:05 PM
p.9 #3Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Steve Spencer wrote:
That is no doubt true, but it still doesn't let me put together a set of E mount primes with any longer lenses. In the past 85-90mm lenses seem to have sold very well and 135 mm lenses as well. Maybe there is no market for people who share my preferences and dividing up the pie 5 or 6 ways between 24-50 is the way to go, but I want a set of small primes that includes at least one 85 or 90mm lens or 135mm lens and right now I can't do that on E mount without adapting.
Yes, 85 and 135 still sell well today, but many of these are used for portraits where f2.8 is probably the smallest aperture that would be accepted. So we already have a few 85 1.8 lenses and a nice 135 2.8 lens. I just don't see a 135 f4 lens selling very well as it's use case is limited.
Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.
chez wrote
Maybe the 24-50 range of lenses sell way more than the 90-135 range of lenses. We can second guess Sony's reasoning...but in the end they have the insight into the industry's needs much more than we do here on FM.Yes, 85 and 135 still sell well today, but many of these are used for portraits where f2.8 is probably the smallest aperture that would be accepted. So we already have a few 85 1.8 lenses and a nice 135 2.8 lens. I just don't see a 135 f4 lens selling very well as it's use case is limited.
Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.
Mar 20, 2021 at 02:05 PM
p.9 #4Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
That is no doubt true, but it still doesn't let me put together a set of E mount primes with any longer lenses. In the past 85-90mm lenses seem to have sold very well and 135 mm lenses as well. Maybe there is no market for people who share my preferences and dividing up the pie 5 or 6 ways between 24-50 is the way to go, but I want a set of small primes that includes at least one 85 or 90mm lens or 135mm lens and right now I can't do that on E mount without adapting.Yes, 85 and 135 still sell well today, but many of these are used for portraits where f2.8 is probably the smallest aperture that would be accepted. So we already have a few 85 1.8 lenses and a nice 135 2.8 lens. I just don't see a 135 f4 lens selling very well as it's use case is limited.
Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.
yeah, but that 70-200 is in now way a compact system anymore, IMO. Perhaps the sweet spot is f/2.5 for 85 or 90 mm (which is still a very good aperture for portraits at this focal length) and f/2.8 for 135mm. An 85 or 90 f/2.5 can be quite small as can a 135 f/2.8 if it were designed thoughtfully. The Batis 135 f/2.8 is 614g and designed with about as little thought as possible for making the lens compact. I think Sony could get such a lens down to 450g or so without too much effort and that would be very nice for those of us who want a compact system.
Steve Spencer wrote
chez wrote
Maybe the 24-50 range of lenses sell way more than the 90-135 range of lenses. We can second guess Sony's reasoning...but in the end they have the insight into the industry's needs much more than we do here on FM.Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.
yeah, but that 70-200 is in now way a compact system anymore, IMO. Perhaps the sweet spot is f/2.5 for 85 or 90 mm (which is still a very good aperture for portraits at this focal length) and f/2.8 for 135mm. An 85 or 90 f/2.5 can be quite small as can a 135 f/2.8 if it were designed thoughtfully. The Batis 135 f/2.8 is 614g and designed with about as little thought as possible for making the lens compact. I think Sony could get such a lens down to 450g or so without too much effort and that would be very nice for those of us who want a compact system.
Mar 20, 2021 at 02:35 PM
p.9 #5Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chiron wrote:
Sony does not have to emulate Leica. In fact, Leica are following Sony and others. Their Ms now can take an EVF and are all sporting live view.
Rude, but unconvincing and not to the point. Obviously they made some moderate lengths. Not the point. How many lenses do they sell in each focal length category?I didn't mean to suggest that Sony was emulating Leica. Sony is less emulating than perhaps incipiently displacing them for uses favoring a small, fast, high quality kit.
Perhaps that is why Leica is raising their prices substantially--to enhance the aura of Je ne sais quoi that surrounds their offerings.
I spent some of the last month wondering whether I should plunk down 10k to savor this rare essence. At the moment, I seem to have recovered. If these new G lenses go where I hope they will, that will help me to stay recovered.I better send you some more Leica videos...fast
Oh wait, here's a nice one "An Artist taking photos of another artist, Leica Style"You are the very devil, LBJ! The appeal is very seductive and the work that has been done with that camera line is truly fabulous. I bought the book "Eyes Wide Open! 100 Years of Leica Photography." Oversized, beautifully printed, and a very thick 564 pages (weighs about 9 lbs.). It was cheaper than a Leica Noctilux lens cap.
I do envy the glass and also the slender feel of the most recent bodies that are said to recall the handling of earlier Leicas. But I also feel that for my eyes and my frequent subjects, I tend to...Show more →
"It was cheaper than a Leica Noctilux lens cap." LMAO
I've seen some of what's in that book online. So many truly inspiring images and I've only seen a snippet of the what must be in all 564 pages!
As we chatted before, I wear my specs when I use the rangefinder. Very similar to the man in this video--even his specs look similar to my own. But not all vision correction is equal and an EVF certainly does dial in to our individual needs.
Just a side note. Leica is super expensive as everyone knows. But when I add up all the Sony cameras I've purchased as upgrades since Nex6, then moving to the original full frame A7r and almost all the full frame alphas that followed to include a sojourn into Amount A77II and Amount lenses along the way and many, many Emount lenses native, adaptables and 3rd party lenses, not to mention all the Sony accessories, what I spent on my M10 kit which will probably last more than a lifetime ( at least the lenses) really doesn't seem so bad in comparison in fact, Sony has the majority of my photography budget. Exactly how that happened...I don't really know
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LBJ2 wrote
chiron wrote
realVivek wrote
There are Leica handbooks that actually list all the stuff they churned out and how many per year. I even have a few of those from the past. Not a big deal.Sony does not have to emulate Leica. In fact, Leica are following Sony and others. Their Ms now can take an EVF and are all sporting live view.
chiron wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
I think this shows some ignorance of Leica history. The first three Leica lenses introduced were a 35mm, a 50mm, and a 135mm, and the Leica 90 Thambar was made for Leica in 1935 for the very first Leica screw mount system. Leica has for a long time embraced the 90mm and 135mm focal lengths. These are not an odd focal lengths by any stretch of the imagination for Leica and have a long and distinguished history on the Leica platform. The 90mm and 135mm focal lengths in Leica history actually preceded the 24mm focal length and the 40mm focal length by quite a lot.Perhaps that is why Leica is raising their prices substantially--to enhance the aura of Je ne sais quoi that surrounds their offerings.
I spent some of the last month wondering whether I should plunk down 10k to savor this rare essence. At the moment, I seem to have recovered. If these new G lenses go where I hope they will, that will help me to stay recovered.
Oh wait, here's a nice one "An Artist taking photos of another artist, Leica Style"
I do envy the glass and also the slender feel of the most recent bodies that are said to recall the handling of earlier Leicas. But I also feel that for my eyes and my frequent subjects, I tend to...Show more →
"It was cheaper than a Leica Noctilux lens cap." LMAO
I've seen some of what's in that book online. So many truly inspiring images and I've only seen a snippet of the what must be in all 564 pages!
As we chatted before, I wear my specs when I use the rangefinder. Very similar to the man in this video--even his specs look similar to my own. But not all vision correction is equal and an EVF certainly does dial in to our individual needs.
Just a side note. Leica is super expensive as everyone knows. But when I add up all the Sony cameras I've purchased as upgrades since Nex6, then moving to the original full frame A7r and almost all the full frame alphas that followed to include a sojourn into Amount A77II and Amount lenses along the way and many, many Emount lenses native, adaptables and 3rd party lenses, not to mention all the Sony accessories, what I spent on my M10 kit which will probably last more than a lifetime ( at least the lenses) really doesn't seem so bad in comparison in fact, Sony has the majority of my photography budget. Exactly how that happened...I don't really know
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Mar 20, 2021 at 02:46 PM
p.9 #6Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
bjornthun wrote:
I do think that what they are going for is small and high quality--otherwise they would not be G-designated and with reduced apertures.
I think one of the complaints that Sony has been hearing is that their lenses/bodies have gotten too large and have gotten Sony away from the compactness and ease of handling that was one of the initial attractions for the Sony NEX cameras, then the Sony APS-C cameras, and then the first A7 bodies.
I don't think Sony wants to or that they should give up or slow down on the big, very high quality lenses, like the 50/1.2 GM or the 12-24/2.8 or the 600/4. They want to be the best pro camera system.
But I do think they want to reclaim compactness and I think that is what these lenses are after. The A7C has been a success for them, probably to be followed by other versions, and I think it illustrates a design strategy for them: You can get best in class image quality (and the A7C has the best image quality sensor that Sony sells, per Bill Claff's measurements) in a compact form IF you are willing to compromise on some other characteristics. Like the EVF in the A7C or like max aperture in this new series of G lenses.
These lens, at least as I am imagining them, are very appealing to me. Yes, I would still want the big, max ap lenses like the 50/1.2. But I would love to have a set of smaller, very high quality primes and zooms (like the 24-70 -- see Fred's review) that are compact and easy to carry, easy to travel with, easy to handle, and that don't make candid subjects feel like you are aiming a bazooka at them.
I hope that what these lenses will be.I think you missed my point. I am not saying Sony is not going for small high IQ lenses with these new announced lenses, and I am certainly not saying they are turning away from bigger Pro lenses (there recent introductions make it clear that isn't happening), what I am saying is that if they want to support the A7c or compactness for the Sony E mount system, what is really needed is some longer lenses not more shorter focal length lenses. If you want to shoot the A7c for a compact system you have tons of choice lenses between 24 and 50mm, but almost no choices longer than 85mm. IMO, if they want to support the ability to have a small system, then they needed to offer some longer focal length, smaller lenses that were high quality and that adding these lenses to the crowded 24-50mm space does little to advance shooting a compact system.The current small Sony E-mount lenses are 28/2, 35/1.8, 35/2.8 ZA, 50/1.8 and 55/1.8 ZA. So the 24/2.8 G immefiately adds to the rsnge of small lenses. The 40/2.5 G and 50/2.5 G are not as obvious additions here and now, but they may share a 40.5mm filter size. All of the G lenses may have aperture rings, which improves operation with the A7c, which has fewer wheels/dials than thevordinary A7/s/r models. The only high quality small lenses currently are 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA. The nifty-fifty 50/1.8 extemds while focusing. So, it’s easy to make a case for the 24/2.8 G as an addition of high quality lenses. The case for the 40/2.5 G and 50/2.5 G will likely be one or more of the following; aperture ring, diminutive size with 40.5mm filter and Sony/Minolta as opposed to Zeiss rendering. A small filter thread is a Leica thing, small M-lenses with diminutive 39mm filter diameter, and 40.5mm filter diameters appears just as small. So enough reasons to make another 50mm and 40mm lens. To some 40mm is sufficiently different from both 35mm and 50mm to warrant a purchase, as it is semi-normal.
Let’s also wait and see the price tags of the 40/2.5 and 50/2.5 compare to 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA. My guess is that the 35/2.8 ZA isn’t that competitive against the Samyang 35/2.8 and Tamron 35/2.8.
A line of compact G lenses may see more lenses, hopefully 85/2.8 and 135/3.5 added later.
135mm is not Leica-specific. Each and every manufacturers have made a ton of them, and they were popular before the advent of cheap and good tele-zooms in the 1970s.
Leica 90mm Thambar is a special portrait lens, not a regular 90mm. We could just as well say that Tamron owns the 90mm focal length with their many incarnations of Tamron 90/2.5 and 90/2.8 MF and AF macro lenses.Good reminder and nice summary. I like the way you lined up the existing with the coming. Makes for a compelling native, small and compact FE lens system when looked at as a whole.
I kept my original FE 35 F2.8 and FE 55 F1.8 simply because they are very good lenses when I need to use Sony FF light & tight as possible without giving up native system features and functions.
Personally, I can't wait to see what these new Sony lenses look like. The 2.5 aperture brings a few interesting possibilities particularly when I think about the FE 35 F2.8...or even "pancake"?Thanks for the nice words. I too have kept my 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA, and I hope the 24/2.8 can match them.
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Sony does not have to emulate Leica. In fact, Leica are following Sony and others. Their Ms now can take an EVF and are all sporting live view.
Rude, but unconvincing and not to the point. Obviously they made some moderate lengths. Not the point. How many lenses do they sell in each focal length category?I didn't mean to suggest that Sony was emulating Leica. Sony is less emulating than perhaps incipiently displacing them for uses favoring a small, fast, high quality kit.
Perhaps that is why Leica is raising their prices substantially--to enhance the aura of Je ne sais quoi that surrounds their offerings.
I spent some of the last month wondering whether I should plunk down 10k to savor this rare essence. At the moment, I seem to have recovered. If these new G lenses go where I hope they will, that will help me to stay recovered.I better send you some more Leica videos...fast
Oh wait, here's a nice one "An Artist taking photos of another artist, Leica Style"I was once a Leica user, and I try to stay put in the Sony system.
At the moment, I'm able to carry on with both systems. However after two years with specifically with Leica M, my adoration continues to grows, even as Leica prices increase WTH! I guess if I ever decided to sell my Leica M glass, regularly rising Leica prices could be a good thing I've always been of the mind if you buy well you can probably sell well too.
Nor can I give up my Sony camera tech and zooms for events, sports and wildlife...I guess at some point I can imagine using Leica M mainly for primes and Sony for zooms..but that decision is down the road...maybe
LBJ2 wrote
bjornthun wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
chiron wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Yes, I very much agree and that is part of my puzzlement with these lenses. If they would have been an 85 or 90 f/2.8, a 135 f/2.8 or f/3.5, and a 180 f/3.5 or f/4, they would have added something quite new to the system. I would love to see small versions of some of these longer lenses and especially high quality small versions, but alas Sony has given us more lenses in the crowded 24-50mm range.I think one of the complaints that Sony has been hearing is that their lenses/bodies have gotten too large and have gotten Sony away from the compactness and ease of handling that was one of the initial attractions for the Sony NEX cameras, then the Sony APS-C cameras, and then the first A7 bodies.
I don't think Sony wants to or that they should give up or slow down on the big, very high quality lenses, like the 50/1.2 GM or the 12-24/2.8 or the 600/4. They want to be the best pro camera system.
But I do think they want to reclaim compactness and I think that is what these lenses are after. The A7C has been a success for them, probably to be followed by other versions, and I think it illustrates a design strategy for them: You can get best in class image quality (and the A7C has the best image quality sensor that Sony sells, per Bill Claff's measurements) in a compact form IF you are willing to compromise on some other characteristics. Like the EVF in the A7C or like max aperture in this new series of G lenses.
These lens, at least as I am imagining them, are very appealing to me. Yes, I would still want the big, max ap lenses like the 50/1.2. But I would love to have a set of smaller, very high quality primes and zooms (like the 24-70 -- see Fred's review) that are compact and easy to carry, easy to travel with, easy to handle, and that don't make candid subjects feel like you are aiming a bazooka at them.
I hope that what these lenses will be.
Let’s also wait and see the price tags of the 40/2.5 and 50/2.5 compare to 35/2.8 ZA and 55/1.8 ZA. My guess is that the 35/2.8 ZA isn’t that competitive against the Samyang 35/2.8 and Tamron 35/2.8.
A line of compact G lenses may see more lenses, hopefully 85/2.8 and 135/3.5 added later.
135mm is not Leica-specific. Each and every manufacturers have made a ton of them, and they were popular before the advent of cheap and good tele-zooms in the 1970s.
Leica 90mm Thambar is a special portrait lens, not a regular 90mm. We could just as well say that Tamron owns the 90mm focal length with their many incarnations of Tamron 90/2.5 and 90/2.8 MF and AF macro lenses.
I kept my original FE 35 F2.8 and FE 55 F1.8 simply because they are very good lenses when I need to use Sony FF light & tight as possible without giving up native system features and functions.
Personally, I can't wait to see what these new Sony lenses look like. The 2.5 aperture brings a few interesting possibilities particularly when I think about the FE 35 F2.8...or even "pancake"?
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LBJ2 wrote
chiron wrote
realVivek wrote
There are Leica handbooks that actually list all the stuff they churned out and how many per year. I even have a few of those from the past. Not a big deal.Sony does not have to emulate Leica. In fact, Leica are following Sony and others. Their Ms now can take an EVF and are all sporting live view.
chiron wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
I think this shows some ignorance of Leica history. The first three Leica lenses introduced were a 35mm, a 50mm, and a 135mm, and the Leica 90 Thambar was made for Leica in 1935 for the very first Leica screw mount system. Leica has for a long time embraced the 90mm and 135mm focal lengths. These are not an odd focal lengths by any stretch of the imagination for Leica and have a long and distinguished history on the Leica platform. The 90mm and 135mm focal lengths in Leica history actually preceded the 24mm focal length and the 40mm focal length by quite a lot.Perhaps that is why Leica is raising their prices substantially--to enhance the aura of Je ne sais quoi that surrounds their offerings.
I spent some of the last month wondering whether I should plunk down 10k to savor this rare essence. At the moment, I seem to have recovered. If these new G lenses go where I hope they will, that will help me to stay recovered.
Oh wait, here's a nice one "An Artist taking photos of another artist, Leica Style"
At the moment, I'm able to carry on with both systems. However after two years with specifically with Leica M, my adoration continues to grows, even as Leica prices increase WTH! I guess if I ever decided to sell my Leica M glass, regularly rising Leica prices could be a good thing
I've always been of the mind if you buy well you can probably sell well too. Nor can I give up my Sony camera tech and zooms for events, sports and wildlife...I guess at some point I can imagine using Leica M mainly for primes and Sony for zooms..but that decision is down the road...maybe
Mar 20, 2021 at 02:58 PM
p.9 #7Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Steve Spencer wrote:
That is no doubt true, but it still doesn't let me put together a set of E mount primes with any longer lenses. In the past 85-90mm lenses seem to have sold very well and 135 mm lenses as well. Maybe there is no market for people who share my preferences and dividing up the pie 5 or 6 ways between 24-50 is the way to go, but I want a set of small primes that includes at least one 85 or 90mm lens or 135mm lens and right now I can't do that on E mount without adapting.Yes, 85 and 135 still sell well today, but many of these are used for portraits where f2.8 is probably the smallest aperture that would be accepted. So we already have a few 85 1.8 lenses and a nice 135 2.8 lens. I just don't see a 135 f4 lens selling very well as it's use case is limited.
Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.yeah, but that 70-200 is in now way a compact system anymore, IMO. Perhaps the sweet spot is f/2.5 for 85 or 90 mm (which is still a very good aperture for portraits at this focal length) and f/2.8 for 135mm. An 85 or 90 f/2.5 can be quite small as can a 135 f/2.8 if it were designed thoughtfully. The Batis 135 f/2.8 is 614g and designed with about as little thought as possible for making the lens compact. I think Sony could get such a lens down to 450g or so without too much effort and that...Show more →
I too want a compact system...but I'm a realist, not a dreamer. I just can't see them building a 90 2.5 lens when they have a 85 1.8 lens that does not weigh much. How many 90 2.5 lenses do you think they would sell? See...that's the problem, I don't see a huge demand for such a lens.
I also feel when most photographers get into the 100-300 range, they gravitate to zooms, not primes.
I guess we'll see where things go.
chez wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
chez wrote
Maybe the 24-50 range of lenses sell way more than the 90-135 range of lenses. We can second guess Sony's reasoning...but in the end they have the insight into the industry's needs much more than we do here on FM.Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.
I too want a compact system...but I'm a realist, not a dreamer. I just can't see them building a 90 2.5 lens when they have a 85 1.8 lens that does not weigh much. How many 90 2.5 lenses do you think they would sell? See...that's the problem, I don't see a huge demand for such a lens.
I also feel when most photographers get into the 100-300 range, they gravitate to zooms, not primes.
I guess we'll see where things go.
Mar 20, 2021 at 03:05 PM
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I had a Batis 135mm at one point and it was a very dense lens compared to some of the other ones that felt more hollow. I can't imagine Sony being able to shrink it further without compromising on something that would make it flawed compared to the Batis, which was excellent.
That said, I can see Sony coming out with a 90mm f2.8 or 100mm f3.5 - lots of small lenses like this in the past and I assume they'll eventually release one but the 85mm f1.8 would make a good stop gap for now.
That said, I can see Sony coming out with a 90mm f2.8 or 100mm f3.5 - lots of small lenses like this in the past and I assume they'll eventually release one but the 85mm f1.8 would make a good stop gap for now.
Mar 20, 2021 at 03:51 PM
p.9 #9Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
That is no doubt true, but it still doesn't let me put together a set of E mount primes with any longer lenses. In the past 85-90mm lenses seem to have sold very well and 135 mm lenses as well. Maybe there is no market for people who share my preferences and dividing up the pie 5 or 6 ways between 24-50 is the way to go, but I want a set of small primes that includes at least one 85 or 90mm lens or 135mm lens and right now I can't do that on E mount without adapting.Yes, 85 and 135 still sell well today, but many of these are used for portraits where f2.8 is probably the smallest aperture that would be accepted. So we already have a few 85 1.8 lenses and a nice 135 2.8 lens. I just don't see a 135 f4 lens selling very well as it's use case is limited.
Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.yeah, but that 70-200 is in now way a compact system anymore, IMO. Perhaps the sweet spot is f/2.5 for 85 or 90 mm (which is still a very good aperture for portraits at this focal length) and f/2.8 for 135mm. An 85 or 90 f/2.5 can be quite small as can a 135 f/2.8 if it were designed thoughtfully. The Batis 135 f/2.8 is 614g and designed with about as little thought as possible for making the lens compact. I think Sony could get such a lens down to 450g or so without too much effort and that would be very nice for those of us who want a compact system.I too want a compact system...but I'm a realist, not a dreamer. I just can't see them building a 90 2.5 lens when they have a 85 1.8 lens that does not weigh much. How many 90 2.5 lenses do you think they would sell? See...that's the problem, I don't see a huge demand for such a lens.
I also feel when most photographers get into the 100-300 range, they gravitate to zooms, not primes.
I guess we'll see where things go.
Yet they expect a 40 f/2.5 lens to be a big seller when they have both a small and compact 35 f/1.8 and a 35 f/2.8? It seems the 40 f/2.5 is in even a worse position than a 90 f/2.5 would be or at least the 90 f/2.5 could add more than the 40 f/2.5 could to the system and that is especially so when you are also making a 50 f/2.5. For the longer focal length that would be like adding a 90 f/2.5 and a 105 f/2.5 at the same time. I can't see how that expands the use of the system. All I can say is that for me, I am not interested in a small or compact Sony system where the 85 f/1.8 is the longest and smallest focal length. They aren't going to get me to use Sony for my travel/street set up if that is all they provide. If I am going to adopt Sony for my travel and street camera I want different compact longer lenses than that one option. Perhaps everyone who want a small system either won't want a longer lens or will be happy with the one option, but I suspect there are other people like me who would like more than just that one option.
Steve Spencer wrote
chez wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
chez wrote
Maybe the 24-50 range of lenses sell way more than the 90-135 range of lenses. We can second guess Sony's reasoning...but in the end they have the insight into the industry's needs much more than we do here on FM.Heck, if I was looking at slow 100 and 135 lenses...I'd just probably go the 70-200 f4 route.
I also feel when most photographers get into the 100-300 range, they gravitate to zooms, not primes.
I guess we'll see where things go.
Yet they expect a 40 f/2.5 lens to be a big seller when they have both a small and compact 35 f/1.8 and a 35 f/2.8? It seems the 40 f/2.5 is in even a worse position than a 90 f/2.5 would be or at least the 90 f/2.5 could add more than the 40 f/2.5 could to the system and that is especially so when you are also making a 50 f/2.5. For the longer focal length that would be like adding a 90 f/2.5 and a 105 f/2.5 at the same time. I can't see how that expands the use of the system. All I can say is that for me, I am not interested in a small or compact Sony system where the 85 f/1.8 is the longest and smallest focal length. They aren't going to get me to use Sony for my travel/street set up if that is all they provide. If I am going to adopt Sony for my travel and street camera I want different compact longer lenses than that one option. Perhaps everyone who want a small system either won't want a longer lens or will be happy with the one option, but I suspect there are other people like me who would like more than just that one option.
Mar 20, 2021 at 04:06 PM
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A 135 f/4.0 and a 180 4.0 Apo Lanthar like are my dream.
Mar 20, 2021 at 04:26 PM
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p.9 #11Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Steve Spencer wrote:
Perhaps everyone who want a small system either won't want a longer lens or will be happy with the one option, but I suspect there are other people like me who would like more than just that one option.
Obviously not enough of you out there for Sony...nor any 3rd party to worry about.
Perhaps everyone who want a small system either won't want a longer lens or will be happy with the one option, but I suspect there are other people like me who would like more than just that one option.
Obviously not enough of you out there for Sony...nor any 3rd party to worry about.
Mar 20, 2021 at 04:28 PM
p.9 #12Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Steve Spencer wrote:
Yet they expect a 40 f/2.5 lens to be a big seller when they have both a small and compact 35 f/1.8 and a 35 f/2.8? It seems the 40 f/2.5 is in even a worse position than a 90 f/2.5 would be or at least the 90 f/2.5 could add more than the 40 f/2.5 could to the system and that is especially so when you are also making a 50 f/2.5. For the longer focal length that would be like adding a 90 f/2.5 and a 105 f/2.5 at the same time. I can't see how that...Show more →
I think I would buy a 90/2.5 or 100/2.5 if it were compact enough. I'm not sure how compact Sony could get one or if they'd sell many, but it would be of interest to me. I have the Loxia 85/2.4 and it's my most used landscape lens. It's not small or light, but it's amazing. I wonder how much smaller they could make it and still meet the performance demands of a 60+ mp sensor. Lighter, sure. I also have the 100/2.8 STF, but it's bigger for an obvious reason. The could shave a lot off that for a normal, non-STF f/2.5 or f/2.8.
Anyways, a G series that was lighter and slower and included an 85 and a 100 or 135 would be pretty cool. Maybe Sigma gets there first with their 'I' series. Given how 'bored' and uninterested people here proclaim to be with these rumours, maybe we won't see longer, slower lenses.
Yet they expect a 40 f/2.5 lens to be a big seller when they have both a small and compact 35 f/1.8 and a 35 f/2.8? It seems the 40 f/2.5 is in even a worse position than a 90 f/2.5 would be or at least the 90 f/2.5 could add more than the 40 f/2.5 could to the system and that is especially so when you are also making a 50 f/2.5. For the longer focal length that would be like adding a 90 f/2.5 and a 105 f/2.5 at the same time. I can't see how that...Show more →
I think I would buy a 90/2.5 or 100/2.5 if it were compact enough. I'm not sure how compact Sony could get one or if they'd sell many, but it would be of interest to me. I have the Loxia 85/2.4 and it's my most used landscape lens. It's not small or light, but it's amazing. I wonder how much smaller they could make it and still meet the performance demands of a 60+ mp sensor. Lighter, sure. I also have the 100/2.8 STF, but it's bigger for an obvious reason. The could shave a lot off that for a normal, non-STF f/2.5 or f/2.8.
Anyways, a G series that was lighter and slower and included an 85 and a 100 or 135 would be pretty cool. Maybe Sigma gets there first with their 'I' series. Given how 'bored' and uninterested people here proclaim to be with these rumours, maybe we won't see longer, slower lenses.
Mar 20, 2021 at 04:28 PM
p.9 #13Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
"I too want a compact system...but I'm a realist, not a dreamer. I just can't see them building a 90 2.5 lens when they have a 85 1.8 lens that does not weigh much. How many 90 2.5 lenses do you think they would sell? See...that's the problem, I don't see a huge demand for such a lens.
I also feel when most photographers get into the 100-300 range, they gravitate to zooms, not primes.
I guess we'll see where things go."
Lost the quotes. Above is from Chez.
I decided to add an A7C. I compared the 28-60 to the Contax G 28 and 45. Yes, with the front correction lens in a filter frame. I liked the 28-60 better, which made me feel old. Usually I need a mirror to produce that effect.
So. I'm trying, as a small carry, A7C with 28-60, 20 1.8, and Contax G 90. Very small and light. The 90 in a manual adapter is optically great, but would I like a native compact 90 or 105? Yes.
I have been tossing the A7C in my bag along with the A7R4. Useful, especially for impromptu video.
Mar 20, 2021 at 04:36 PM
p.9 #14Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Dave Sanders wrote:
I think I would buy a 90/2.5 or 100/2.5 if it were compact enough. I'm not sure how compact Sony could get one or if they'd sell many, but it would be of interest to me. I have the Loxia 85/2.4 and it's my most used landscape lens. It's not small or light, but it's amazing. I wonder how much smaller they could make it and still meet the performance demands of a 60+ mp sensor. Lighter, sure. I also have the 100/2.8 STF, but it's bigger for an obvious reason. The could shave a lot off that for...Show more →
I have the Loxia 85 f/2.5 too (and like it very much) and I think the size is fine, but I would like it to be about 100g lighter. I would think even with adding AF if they made the lens out of plastic instead of metal that they could make it light enough to interest me. I hope Sony takes up the challenge. I just wish they would have done so this time.
Steve Spencer wrote
Yet they expect a 40 f/2.5 lens to be a big seller when they have both a small and compact 35 f/1.8 and a 35 f/2.8? It seems the 40 f/2.5 is in even a worse position than a 90 f/2.5 would be or at least the 90 f/2.5 could add more than the 40 f/2.5 could to the system and that is especially so when you are also making a 50 f/2.5. For the longer focal length that would be like adding a 90 f/2.5 and a 105 f/2.5 at the same time. I can't see how that expands the use of the system. All I can say is that for me, I am not interested in a small or compact Sony system where the 85 f/1.8 is the longest and smallest focal length. They aren't going to get me to use Sony for my travel/street set up if that is all they provide. If I am going to adopt Sony for my travel and street camera I want different compact longer lenses than that one option. Perhaps everyone who want a small system either won't want a longer lens or will be happy with the one option, but I suspect there are other people like me who would like more than just that one option.I have the Loxia 85 f/2.5 too (and like it very much) and I think the size is fine, but I would like it to be about 100g lighter. I would think even with adding AF if they made the lens out of plastic instead of metal that they could make it light enough to interest me. I hope Sony takes up the challenge. I just wish they would have done so this time.
Mar 20, 2021 at 04:42 PM
p.9 #15Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
Steve Spencer wrote:
I think I would buy a 90/2.5 or 100/2.5 if it were compact enough. I'm not sure how compact Sony could get one or if they'd sell many, but it would be of interest to me. I have the Loxia 85/2.4 and it's my most used landscape lens. It's not small or light, but it's amazing. I wonder how much smaller they could make it and still meet the performance demands of a 60+ mp sensor. Lighter, sure. I also have the 100/2.8 STF, but it's bigger for an obvious reason. The could shave a lot off that for...Show more →
I have the Loxia 85 f/2.5 too (and like it very much) and I think the size is fine, but I would like it to be about 100g lighter. I would think even with adding AF if they made the lens out of plastic instead of metal that they could make it light enough to interest me. I hope Sony takes up the challenge. I just wish they would have done so this time.
I feel like they could get 300g or more off the Loxia 85 if they really put their minds to it. The 85/1.8 is about 370g, it would be interesting to see how light and small they could go if they kept the 52mm filter thread of the L85...or even if they went to 55mm like the A Mount 85/2.8, which at 175 grams was a downright featherweight.
I always thought the Zeiss ZM f/4 was a cool lens. Small, very sharp. For people like me who use 85mm a lot for landscapes, there is an appeal to a lens like that. Horses for courses, I'm happy to own two lenses in a focal length if they are optimized for different tasks.
I think I would buy a 90/2.5 or 100/2.5 if it were compact enough. I'm not sure how compact Sony could get one or if they'd sell many, but it would be of interest to me. I have the Loxia 85/2.4 and it's my most used landscape lens. It's not small or light, but it's amazing. I wonder how much smaller they could make it and still meet the performance demands of a 60+ mp sensor. Lighter, sure. I also have the 100/2.8 STF, but it's bigger for an obvious reason. The could shave a lot off that for...Show more →
I have the Loxia 85 f/2.5 too (and like it very much) and I think the size is fine, but I would like it to be about 100g lighter. I would think even with adding AF if they made the lens out of plastic instead of metal that they could make it light enough to interest me. I hope Sony takes up the challenge. I just wish they would have done so this time.
I feel like they could get 300g or more off the Loxia 85 if they really put their minds to it. The 85/1.8 is about 370g, it would be interesting to see how light and small they could go if they kept the 52mm filter thread of the L85...or even if they went to 55mm like the A Mount 85/2.8, which at 175 grams was a downright featherweight.
I always thought the Zeiss ZM f/4 was a cool lens. Small, very sharp. For people like me who use 85mm a lot for landscapes, there is an appeal to a lens like that. Horses for courses, I'm happy to own two lenses in a focal length if they are optimized for different tasks.
Mar 20, 2021 at 05:17 PM
p.9 #16Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
I’m excited to see what Sony brings to the table here. If they are ultra compact lenses, built the same as the 20mm 1.8 including the aperture ring, then they will be excellent additions to the lineup IMO.
And if they sell well, I would love a compact 90mm 2:5 or 2.8 for portraits. I mostly used the 85 1.8 at those apertures anyways, so the added glass was not needed.
More options are better and I’m sure Sony has evaluated the markets needs to make their business case to produce. Not sure why anyone would care so much about extra choice. If you don’t want/need, move on to the plenty of other larger, faster, more expensive glass.
And if they sell well, I would love a compact 90mm 2:5 or 2.8 for portraits. I mostly used the 85 1.8 at those apertures anyways, so the added glass was not needed.
More options are better and I’m sure Sony has evaluated the markets needs to make their business case to produce. Not sure why anyone would care so much about extra choice. If you don’t want/need, move on to the plenty of other larger, faster, more expensive glass.
Mar 20, 2021 at 05:23 PM
p.9 #17Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
If these first compact G lenses with smaller apertures and smaller size work out in concert with the A7C, no doubt Sony will expand the range to the 85/135 or so arena and also expand the C bodies range in some way. The Samyang 75/1.8 is a very attractive lens. I'd probably prefer a 75mm to the longer lengths, actually.
Maybe they'll even make a G 28mm lens!
I think Sony have shown themselves to be both superb in the imaginative development of technology into finished products and also very insightful and adept in their marketing.
With the A1, the new GM lenses, and now a possible expansion (or a return to the future) into high quality compact lenses and camera bodies, we may be entering the golden age of Sony photographic technology.
Maybe they'll even make a G 28mm lens!
I think Sony have shown themselves to be both superb in the imaginative development of technology into finished products and also very insightful and adept in their marketing.
With the A1, the new GM lenses, and now a possible expansion (or a return to the future) into high quality compact lenses and camera bodies, we may be entering the golden age of Sony photographic technology.
Mar 20, 2021 at 05:29 PM
p.9 #18Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
I admit the surprising IQ of the 28-60 has me really curious on how these things will perform. I feel like their goal will be to be fast & small enough for casual use, yet sharp enough stopped down for more serious photographers. At least that's my theory.
Mar 20, 2021 at 06:13 PM
p.9 #19Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
gocolts wrote:
I admit the surprising IQ of the 28-60 has me really curious on how these things will perform. I feel like their goal will be to be fast & small enough for casual use, yet sharp enough stopped down for more serious photographers. At least that's my theory.
My problem is they are starting out slow lenses, and if one has to stop them down to get sharp...that's a problem.
I admit the surprising IQ of the 28-60 has me really curious on how these things will perform. I feel like their goal will be to be fast & small enough for casual use, yet sharp enough stopped down for more serious photographers. At least that's my theory.
My problem is they are starting out slow lenses, and if one has to stop them down to get sharp...that's a problem.
Mar 20, 2021 at 06:17 PM
p.9 #20Pre-order Sony G lenses: FE 24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5
chez wrote:
My problem is they are starting out slow lenses, and if one has to stop them down to get sharp...that's a problem.
They need to be sharp from the get go. The 28-60 is in fact sharp from the start.
gocolts wrote
I admit the surprising IQ of the 28-60 has me really curious on how these things will perform. I feel like their goal will be to be fast & small enough for casual use, yet sharp enough stopped down for more serious photographers. At least that's my theory.They need to be sharp from the get go. The 28-60 is in fact sharp from the start.
Mar 20, 2021 at 08:30 PM