p.6 #1 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
BastianK wrote:
I used to believe - or maybe rather hope? - that a higher diameter of a lens will yield less (optical) vignetting,
but I have been proven wrong about that more than once.
E.g. the Samyang 50mm 1.2 XP is hardly doing a better job here than the Voigtlander 50mm 1.2 E and same is true when comparing the Sigma 35mm 1.2 Art with the Voigtlander 35mm 1.2 III/SE.
So it remains to be seen, where we end up with this 50mm 1.2 GM.
My guess is that has to do with the distance of the front (and rear) lens elements to the lens' optical center. Both the Samyang and Sigma have a larger front elements but those are also much further away from the optical center because of all the extra glass. So the "max light angle" could be about the same (from the lens' optical center to edge of front element).
p.6 #2 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Justin Stone wrote:
300 and 500 GM variants are missing. The 28 I could see being a G. An 85 refresh with latest focusing/motor tech. The 16 was rumored but not confirmed. I always thought a longer macro would be nice, but niche. A couple wide angle tilt/shit lenses would be appreciated my some. Many avoid the 70-200 variants—so I could see updates needed there too. 24-70GM update? That’s about it though.
I'd prefer a 200 and 300. Never quite got the 500 4. A 500 PF style would be nice though. I very much would like a 150-200 macro.
p.6 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I also fail to see the RF 50 magic. But I was more bummed more by the RF 85 1.2, mostly because the 85L has a really nice draw and reminds me of the 85 GM, Mino 85 ltd and some other highly abstracted and generally very pleasant renderings. And it’s a 85mm, not 50mm, so I expert more/better in terms of rendering.
I do see the magic of the RF 50 F1.2. Although I am fully invested in the Sony ecosystem, I purchased an EOS R just for that RF 50 1.2...and I do own the Sony ZA 50 also....the Canon Rf 50 is in a class all by itself as of now
p.6 #5 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
ShootPDX wrote:
I think a Sony GM 50 1.2 is to quiet the naysayers who keep saying Canon’s glass is better because it’s 1.2 (a statement I disagree with).
As one who owns just about all of the Sony GM lenses and some G’s, sorry but the Canon RF prime glass is better than Sony’s...I own an EOS R just so I can use their RF glass....I rent mostlY, but do own the “Magical” RF 50 1.2
p.6 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
It (RF 50/1.2) seems to do very well with a close subject, with a signature very strong bokeh effect. Colours I find disappointing and bland but this is a high end pro portrait lens aiming at a ultra strong focal plane performance and fast fade off in the background.
The aim is to not offend and deliver very good skin tones, they had to fend off Sigma too. At first I felt it was a big improvement over the EF predecessor in the Canon context simply due to the target audience, and the step into the low aberration, bright modern look. It would face tough competition in Sony's much more nuanced ecosystem.
As one poster put it (and copped some flack): 'I'm just not seeing many use cases for it that could not just as easily be handled with a lens costing a fraction of the price.'
So it's a polarising lens, with fewer people in the middle. Going by the GM 35/1.4, Sony will likely do better here, at 50mm. They can now put together a very attractive 24-35-50 set.
p.6 #7 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Jazzgear296 wrote:
As one who owns just about all of the Sony GM lenses and some G’s, sorry but the Canon RF prime glass is better than Sony’s...I own an EOS R just so I can use their RF glass....I rent mostlY, but do own the “Magical” RF 50 1.2
I disagree, and I’ve shot with most of it.
Since you have both types of glass let’s see some comparisons to better illustrate your point.
p.6 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Jazzgear296 wrote:
I do see the magic of the RF 50 F1.2. Although I am fully invested in the Sony ecosystem, I purchased an EOS R just for that RF 50 1.2...and I do own the Sony ZA 50 also....the Canon Rf 50 is in a class all by itself as of now
p.6 #9 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
ShootPDX wrote:
I disagree, and I’ve shot with most of it.
Since you have both types of glass let’s see some comparisons to better illustrate your point.
Clearly just your opinion and and not fact...at the end of the day, it’s what my eyes perceives and my clients. And owning both the top end Sony 50 mm and the Canon RF, the Canon is the superior lens all the way around. I am not a fanboy for any company....though I have a fortune invested in Sony glass and bodies.
As for comparisons. Sure, I have a couple of weddings coming up in the next couple of weeks....I’ll bring the Canon along and shoot it alongside the Sony. I don’t have any of the same subject matter shot with both lenses right now to compare....
p.6 #10 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Jazzgear296 wrote:
Clearly just your opinion and and not fact...at the end of the day, it’s what my eyes perceives and my clients. And owning both the top end Sony 50 mm and the Canon RF, the Canon is the superior lens all the way around. I am not a fanboy for any company....though I have a fortune invested in Sony glass and bodies.
Uh, yeah, that's my point. You stated your opinion, I stated mine. I personally don't think either brand's glass is better than the other. They're all very good. I'd just rather not carry around a boat anchor.
p.6 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Jazzgear296 wrote:
Clearly just your opinion and and not fact...at the end of the day, it’s what my eyes perceives and my clients. And owning both the top end Sony 50 mm and the Canon RF, the Canon is the superior lens all the way around. I am not a fanboy for any company....though I have a fortune invested in Sony glass and bodies.
As for comparisons. Sure, I have a couple of weddings coming up in the next couple of weeks....I’ll bring the Canon along and shoot it alongside the Sony. I don’t have any of the same subject matter shot with both lenses right now to compare.... ...Show more →
Well, as long as you haven't presented your comparison shots, your statements are just as opinion and non-factual as his and maybe some fairy tale on top of that too, lol. I am not a fanboy of any company either (just like you! ). However, I don't believe unsubstantiated anecdotal claims until they are shown to be true.
p.6 #14 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
trogdon wrote:
Not a lens for me (not a fan of 50mm...).
^^^ this!
Anytime even *think* about a 50mm lens, I always think back to the film days when that FL was included with the body.
Such a ~ blah ~ focal length (again, IMO). I am sure many will disagree and the wide aperture will allow for some artistic merit, but give me a fast 85mm etc. any day over this.
p.6 #15 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
gheller wrote:
^^^ this!
Anytime even *think* about a 50mm lens, I always think back to the film days when that FL was included with the body.
Such a ~ blah ~ focal length (again, IMO). I am sure many will disagree and the wide aperture will allow for some artistic merit, but give me a fast 85mm etc. any day over this.
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I maintain memes such as "blah focal lengths" in the same category as "bad light".
p.6 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
raminolta wrote:
I am sorry but I don't buy into these arguments: "a brave company that makes a 50/1.2 with bad numbers". It's poetic but doesn't make any sense to me.
Wasn't intended to be poetic.
The point is just that some manufacturers allow optical/mechanical vignetting which effectively stops the lens down at the corner corners wide open, and thus improves the resolution figures for the corners, at the expense of the bokeh in the corners looking busy and more in-focus. You simply aren't getting your f1.2 across the field, only on-axis, with such a lens (as I suspect the otherwise excellent Canon FR 1.2/50 does)
The reason most people buy an f1.2 lens is to get thin depth of field across the field, and lovely smooth OOF corners.
Giving up that in order to have sharper results on the occasions when the corners are in focus is a trade off that makes little sense to me. (remember we are only talking about corners at wide apertures here, not across the field performance a couple of stops down, or on-axis performance wide open)
But that bad trade-off is encouraged by, especially, wide open numerical infinity MTF testing (but also the infinity crops that I and my colleagues at PhillipReeve.net use, as does Fred here).
Testers rarely test for the homegneity of the bokeh, and if they do, they don't put a number on it. But it's easy for purchasers to say "oh look, the Sony has only 30% contrast at MTF% at 12mm from on-axis!!" and thus think that it's worse than another lens.
Of course, if we can get higher MTF figures AND good corner bokeh, that would be better still! But the trade off for that is going to be even greater cost and size than the current round of large and expensive lenses.
So that's why I say it would be brave to prioritise optical vignetting over corner numbers (plus, of course, improving optical vignetting is probably more expensive).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about some magical overall feel that I can't explain and preferring it over something that can me measured. Optical vignetting (not mere corner darkening) can be measured, and so can its effects on corner bokeh.
p.6 #17 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
gheller wrote:
^^^ this!
Anytime even *think* about a 50mm lens, I always think back to the film days when that FL was included with the body.
Such a ~ blah ~ focal length (again, IMO). I am sure many will disagree and the wide aperture will allow for some artistic merit, but give me a fast 85mm etc. any day over this.
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🙂. I’m with you thinking about my first SLR as a teen in 1984. It was a Yashica FX-7 with the 50/1.7. But unlike you, I LOVED the 50mm then and now. To me it’s the “Goldilocks” focal length - not too wide, not too narrow, but juuuuust right.
It’s a good thing we’re all different or the world would be a boring place. 👊🏻
A 50/1.2 and GM tag...I’m getting more interested every day.
p.6 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
mudlake wrote:
🙂. I’m with you thinking about my first SLR as a teen in 1984. It was a Yashica FX-7 with the 50/1.7. But unlike you, I LOVED the 50mm then and now. To me it’s the “Goldilocks” focal length - not too wide, not too narrow, but juuuuust right.
It’s a good thing we’re all different or the world would be a boring place. 👊🏻
A 50/1.2 and GM tag...I’m getting more interested every day.
Well said! I feel the same about the 85mm (now that I own the Sigma 1.4 DG DN version). I *used* to think this way about my 135 f/2 on my Canon system.
I guess the 50mm FL seems so "blah" to me is it is supposed to be close to what we see with the naked eye (on film). When I look thru my camera at the subject with my 85mm, it is just so delightfully different than reality
p.6 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
gheller wrote:
Well said! I feel the same about the 85mm (now that I own the Sigma 1.4 DG DN version). I *used* to think this way about my 135 f/2 on my Canon system.
I guess the 50mm FL seems so "blah" to me is it is supposed to be close to what we see with the naked eye (on film). When I look thru my camera at the subject with my 85mm, it is just so delightfully different than reality
85mm is my second fave. I’ve owned six 135mm lenses from Zeiss to Canon and everything in between and finally realized that for portraits, I didn’t like it! If I know I’m only shooting portraits I’ll take my Sony 85/1.8 and be happy.
The fast 50 is just so darn good as a generalist lens I always default to that focal length. I’m interested to see how the new 35GM looks as a “50/2” in crop mode. If it looks as good as the 24GM did in crop, I may have to pick it up too.
). However, I don't believe unsubstantiated anecdotal claims until they are shown to be true.
