p.23 #1 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
You might offer us informed and detailed reasons why this kind of technology - now well-established and well understood - would be uneconomic or excessively bulky/heavy in high end stills lenses. You know, the 1100 plus gram ones that all and sundry told us had to be heavy and large before Sony just proved them wrong.
There are many reasons high end cine lenses are large and expensive, their glass more expensive by weight than gold being a major one of them, plus market factors, usage regimes, materials, features. But it's very likely you know all that.
It's simply one suggestion as a potential fix to an emerging problem. Others involve reducing the degrees of freedom available to designers of 'stills' lenses. The quotes signify that we are entering the era of hybrid lenses.
But super sharp centres, bokeh ball circles, 'color science' and massive blurring are the focal points makers are pushing for you to inspect and base purchase decisions on.
Many video, video leaning and video-capable cameras for E mount these days. Who wants their options cut short in $2000 lenses that produce footage that makes him/her look like a rank amateur with bottom end gear, if they dare cross the line and 'get creative'?
p.23 #2 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
It's like the best of the Sigma 40 1.4, ZA 50 1.4, and CV 50 1.2 rolled into one. Now they just need a 15 GM, and I could consider running my upgraded 15, 35, 50, 135 kit if I wanted to come back to Sony.
High end cine primes like the Arri Signatures, Leitz Thalia, etc. are actually mini parfocal zoom lenses.
I think Sony can do it in a few years, but it's probably a lot harder than we'd like to think, with the AF factor involved.
Once they do that, it's GG and it really will be a game changer for their cine line.
Canon is doing AF tilt shift lenses, so things in general are looking great for the future.
p.23 #3 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Admit I am not a videographer so I have little knowledge on what attributes they are seeking in a lens like reduced breathing or parafocal zooms but I would think those attributes can impact cost. It would seem appropriate to have a different family of lenses that work to meet these needs. Especially since Sony, Canon, Panasonic, and others have been pushing their cine line of cameras as a separate product even though they share the same mounts. Sure for some this is not what they want to hear that those would cost them more but I am not sure as a stills shooter I want to be burdened with those cost adders either. In the end probably the best lens for a stills shooter, a videographer, and a hybrid shooter are really not the same lens and we may just have to learn and accept that.
p.23 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
swldstn wrote:
Admit I am not a videographer so I have little knowledge on what attributes they are seeking in a lens like reduced breathing or parafocal zooms but I would think those attributes can impact cost. It would seem appropriate to have a different family of lenses that work to meet these needs. Especially since Sony, Canon, Panasonic, and others have been pushing their cine line of cameras as a separate product even though they share the same mounts. Sure for some this is not what they want to hear that those would cost them more but I am not sure as a stills shooter I want to be burdened with those cost adders either. In the end probably the best lens for a stills shooter, a videographer, and a hybrid shooter are really not the same lens and we may just have to learn and accept that. ...Show more →
Exactly right.
I've always wanted a Ferrari for the price of a Mazda.
p.23 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
My point is just like Tesla lol, as technology progresses, the feature sets will become available at a reduced cost and not an increased premium. The fact you can get practically APO performance with low veiling flare with lightning AF speeds at this price point and this form factor is pretty amazing.
Lack of breathing (and shift) is great for focus stacking too for those stills shooters.
Also don't forget inflation. 50 gm would have only cost $1,799 back when the Otus 55 came out!
p.23 #7 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
I love the 50mm focal length, but I am shocked that with 11 blades and all kinds of fancy elements, the GM has cats eye bokeh as soon as the out of focus highlights are any distance from center. The 50 ZA hold circles nearly across the frame.
At least in Julia Trotti’s video of the new GM, it also has a lot of flare...something also well controlled in the 50 ZA. Granted, I hold up the 50 ZA as the best 50 around (having shot Leica, Zeiss, Canon, Nikon, etc.), but I would have hoped the GM to be at least as good in these areas.
Sure, it seems like it focuses faster than you can decide what your subject is, and it is a tad wider aperture, but I feel like they left a few straightforward things on the table. It does not seem quite the revelation of the 135, 24, or 35 GMs.
p.23 #8 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Grenache wrote:
I love the 50mm focal length, but I am shocked that with 11 blades and all kinds of fancy elements, the GM has cats eye bokeh as soon as the out of focus highlights are any distance from center. The 50 ZA hold circles nearly across the frame.
At least in Julia Trotti’s video of the new GM, it also has a lot of flare...something also well controlled in the 50 ZA. Granted, I hold up the 50 ZA as the best 50 around (having shot Leica, Zeiss, Canon, Nikon, etc.), but I would have hoped the GM to be at least as good in these areas.
Sure, it seems like it focuses faster than you can decide what your subject is, and it is a tad wider aperture, but I feel like they left a few straightforward things on the table. It does not seem quite the revelation of the 135, 24, or 35 GMs....Show more →
"It does not seem quite the revelation of the 135, 24, or 35 GMs."
Really? Come on.
If you watch Trotti’s video, the GM flares a lot. Period. Watch it before you rant.
As for the ZA, the bokeh balls are nicely round...my shot below, so I speak from experience with the lens. I have no time for trolls. Sony makes good lenses. This may or may not be one of their better ones. Time will tell.
p.23 #11 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Ok, but Julia Trotti loves lens flare and seeks out the most flare situations. She said she "loved" the quality of the flare from this new Sony GM. My impression was that many of her photos should have flared even more based on the low position of the sun, so it was good to see that they didn't. Also, unless you photograph bokeh balls, their shape is not very important. Even Nikon's super spectacular $8,000 50mm f/0.95 Noct has cat's eye bokeh, which looks pretty cool in my opinion. See Christopher Frost's recent review of that lens.
p.23 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Grenache wrote:
If you watch Trotti’s video, the GM flares a lot. Period. Watch it before you rant.
As for the ZA, the bokeh balls are nicely round...my shot below, so I speak from experience with the lens. I have no time for trolls. Sony makes good lenses. This may or may not be one of their better ones. Time will tell.
p.23 #13 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Grenache wrote:
If you watch Trotti’s video, the GM flares a lot. Period. Watch it before you rant.
As for the ZA, the bokeh balls are nicely round...my shot below, so I speak from experience with the lens. I have no time for trolls. Sony makes good lenses. This may or may not be one of their better ones. Time will tell.
You are trolling here, man, do you show an f2 image and selling it as an f1.4 one? What aperture is this from? ALL reviews show the cat eyes in the 50. Look at cameralabs.com
p.23 #14 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
j4nu wrote:
Bokeh balls don't look that different:
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Every lens flares, so without a direct comparison it doesn't mean much ...
In the video from my fellow German colleague above at 40:50, the GM bokeh looks better and the balls rounder (55 vs. Zeiss vs. GM), so favor the GM.
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p.23 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
My mistake. I thought all of my test shots were wide open. This one is and shows cats eyes forming only towards edges, but in Manny Ortiz’s video and others, the e GM shows these is all but the center.
While not necessarily a deal breaker, these can be a distraction in night shooting, shooting wedding receptions with decorative lights, etc.
My point remains that Sony had a great lens in its own line to compare against and while the GM beats it in many categories, it does not in others...others that impact the image itself. These compromises were not made in their other GMs. The 85 is slower than the f/1.8, but it’s images are better. The 35 GM appears better across the board...and is even lighter. The bar for design of the 50GM seems like it was lower. That is my point.
p.23 #17 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Grenache wrote:
My mistake. I thought all of my test shots were wide open. This one is and shows cats eyes forming only towards edges, but in Manny Ortiz’s video and others, the e GM shows these is all but the center.
While not necessarily a deal breaker, these can be a distraction in night shooting, shooting wedding receptions with decorative lights, etc.
My point remains that Sony had a great lens in its own line to compare against and while the GM beats it in many categories, it does not in others...others that impact the image itself. These compromises were not made in their other GMs. The 85 is slower than the f/1.8, but it’s images are better. The 35 GM appears better across the board...and is even lighter. The bar for design of the 50GM seems like it was lower. That is my point.
Hmm I think I disagree .
50GM is a show of force for Sony as their first f1.2 lens and they didn't really cut corners anywhere... Imho, it's a step above 35GM (e.g. better AF motors), which can be seen in their price too.
I've linked a comparison to 50 ZA above...
And there's this one too: https://www.magicweddingphotographer.com/sony-50mm-f-1-2-gm-video-review-and-comparison-samples/
p.23 #18 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
@Grenache - sorry, but Many Ortis or Julia Trotty are the last youtubers that I visit for a review..
(more for entertainment)
I have had the 50mm 1.4 ZA for two years and I know what the lens can do! I have used it very barely because of the creak focus noise . (I hate the sound)
p.23 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
Grenache wrote:
My mistake. I thought all of my test shots were wide open. This one is and shows cats eyes forming only towards edges, but in Manny Ortiz’s video and others, the e GM shows these is all but the center.
While not necessarily a deal breaker, these can be a distraction in night shooting, shooting wedding receptions with decorative lights, etc.
My point remains that Sony had a great lens in its own line to compare against and while the GM beats it in many categories, it does not in others...others that impact the image itself. These compromises were not made in their other GMs. The 85 is slower than the f/1.8, but it’s images are better. The 35 GM appears better across the board...and is even lighter. The bar for design of the 50GM seems like it was lower. That is my point.
I think the Sony will perform better than expected in this regard. Another nice data point is found in this video (look a 12:29, comparing it to the Canon R):
p.23 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 50mm f/1.2 GM ($1,998)
From the reviews I have seen, Sony 50mm gm is as good as Canon's RF 1.2, which I owned for a short period of time, so I pre-ordered one because the Canon RF was a stunning lens in almost every aspect.
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