p.17 #1 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
k-h.a.w wrote:
Thanks hiep, it’s good to hear from you.
I like to shoot with the 400/2.8, 90/2.8 Macro, and 100-400, including the TCs.
IMHO the A1 is finally a Sony camera worth upgrading to after the original A9.
It's great to see you around here as well. I expect there will be a round of lens firmware updates soon. And I feel the same way about the A1. Truly a step up from the original A9 if everything pans out.
p.17 #2 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Thanks hiep, as usual you are spot on.
I wasn't thinking of buying another camera
- I already have way too much gear -
but the A1 is too hard to ignore.
I think I'll wait with my order until real users have used it extensively and found no glaring issues.
I certainly hope the A1 will be as problem-free as the A9 has been for me.
p.17 #3 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Douglas Liu wrote:
Interesting. One would think Sony would point out the A1 doesn't have an AA filter if that's the case. I read the spec sheet on their website, couldn't find anything in that regard.
I also can't find mention of their multi shot high resolution mode on their website, but it is at this timestamp in the video ?t=2341
Maybe it has an OLPF, but if it does, they would be the first to offer a high resolution mode and an AA filter in the same camera unless I am mistaken.
p.17 #5 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Jman13 wrote:
Both the portrait shots in the Sony sample images don't actually focus on the eye, though...they're focused on the eyelashes...an issue that sometimes happens with my A7R IV as well, and I would have hoped Sony would have fixed in this camera.
Was eye-AF used?
I just covered a wedding with masks and used the standard focus method one did when eye-AF wasn't available.
No problem getting the yes sharps with rare situations at close distance wide open where exactly that seen in the samples happened (2-3 out of several thousand).
So do we speculate here or do we know it was an eye-AF issue?
p.17 #6 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Battery life
Binned FF 4K
Lossless compressed Max speed 20fps
Lack of aps-c with 4K 120
155 shot buffer
Toggle between eye modes is a chore
hiepphotog wrote:
What to say that I can't use my credit card :P
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Certainly the GM Gen. 2: GM 600, 400, 135 and 35... anything with dual XD linear motors or better. This is the body that you will see how "unreliable and slow" those Sigma Art lenses are
I'm now waiting for more negativity to pour in on this thread, where are all the skeptics? It's a bummer that Sony didn't upgrade the LCD (though the omission of a fully articulated mechanism is understandable if AP people didn't like that). For everything else, if there are really no major caveats, I can really see myself getting one of these at a later date. After the A9 purchase, I haven't had any need to get another camera until the Canon R5, and now the Sony A1. Sony really outdid themselves here cause if anyone gave me these specs before the announcement, I would laugh at them. ...Show more →
p.17 #7 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Charlie N wrote:
Battery life
Binned FF 4K
Lossless compressed Max speed 20fps
Lack of aps-c with 4K 120
155 shot buffer
Toggle between eye modes is a chore
- Battery life is class leading so far, so why a negative?
- Lossless compressed Max speed 20fps: I don't see this as a negative at all. Fully sufficient, as compressed so far provides great files and was great for almost all cases - 30 fps with compressed is fine. Many other manufacturers go to 12 bit in their fastest mode. Clears buffer much faster, too.
-Buffer: This was asked the Sony reps at the German live talk. They said buffer fills up quickly with 30fps but clears ultra fast - no contest to the long buffer readout the A9/A9ii had - they meant this is no issue in real life
-"Toggle between eye modes is a chore" - What do you mean here?
p.17 #8 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
I think the CIPA battery life is misleading and almost border line bull shit when it comes to this type of camera and most applications it is designed for
I can get about 6000, 8000 shots with 2 batteries fully charged in my A9 II pretty easily. I have even seen 10K+ shots. I shoot 20 fps bursts periodically so even though I go home with 8K frames the camera is shooting for about 7-8 minutes at full burst speed while it is in "standby" mode as I just observe the birds through the EVF rest of the time. This is a typical wildlife scenario. I wonder if 500 shots quoted figure is when 500 frames are taken in a course of a day with the rear LCD on all the time and used for framing while rarely taking a photo. When I had the D5 I could get barely 2500 frames on a single shot as the DSLR consume a lot more power during the burst due to strong motor that drives the mirror mechanism.
I am not sure what scenario the CIPA measurement would represent in real life, perhaps walking around and taking one or two shots at a time for the whole day so you are basically draining battery not taking photos but using the LCD.
I am sure the camera does not run out of charge after 20 seconds of continous shooting which would be the ~550 quoted frames at 30 fps.
I think a more meaningful figure would be to quote how many hours or minutes the camera will last with either rear LCD/EVF shooting bursts as opposed to the number of CIPA frames which is a meaningless figure in this case. each user can then convert the time to frames based on their burst requirements.
p.17 #9 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
speedmaster20d wrote:
I think the CIPA battery life is misleading and almost border line bull shit when it comes to this type of camera and most applications it is designed for
I can get about 6000, 8000 shots with 2 batteries fully charged in my A9 II pretty easily. I have even seen 10K+ shots. I shoot 20 fps bursts periodically so even though I go home with 8K frames the camera is shooting for about 7-8 minutes at full burst speed while it is in "standby" mode as I just observe the birds through the EVF rest of the time. This is a typical wildlife scenario. I wonder if 500 shots quoted figure is when 500 frames are taken in a course of a day with the rear LCD on all the time and used for framing while rarely taking a photo. When I had the D5 I could get barely 2500 frames on a single shot as the DSLR consume a lot more power during the burst due to strong motor that drives the mirror mechanism.
I am not sure what scenario the CIPA measurement would represent in real life, perhaps walking around and taking one or two shots at a time for the whole day so you are basically draining battery not taking photos but using the LCD.
I am sure the camera does not run out of charge after 20 seconds of continous shooting which would be the ~550 quoted frames at 30 fps.
I think a more meaningful figure would be to quote how many hours or minutes the camera will last with either rear LCD/EVF shooting bursts as opposed to the number of CIPA frames which is a meaningless figure in this case. each user can then convert the time to frames based on their burst requirements.
CIPA DC-002 is the standard test for battery life. It was published in 2003 and is essentially meaningless in telling you shots on a mirrorless camera.
The procedure is more or less to leave the camera on for 30 seconds, then take a picture, and repeat till 10 images have been captured, then turn the camera off for however long you feel like then turn it back on to repeat.
Comments closed on the new RFC to replace DC-002 in 2019 but it has not yet been published.
But, the tldr is that for the current system you can assume that 550 shots equates to roughly 225 minutes of active power on time plus some amount of hours turned off. Or roughly half the minutes as shots taken, since its 30 seconds per image.
In 225 minutes, or 3h45m of power on, you can take a lot of images. Or you can take 3.
p.17 #10 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Congratulations to the community, it is marvellous to see the release of another super great camera! The camera profile is not meant for me, but just to see the level of the technology makes me smile.
I wish you all great success with improving your photography with this new tool / toy (remove what does not apply) !
p.17 #11 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
It's priced exactly where the 1 series for Nikon and Canon are
Late to this party, but this comment is spot on: when I was shooting professionally, I cannot recall how many Nikon and Canon FF bodies I bought around this price point back in the 'old days' but more than three (or five). I am not in the market personally, but this is a remarkable achievement, one must agree. And in my opinion, for the tech, not expensive.
p.17 #12 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Another difference from current bodies
Imaging Edge Mobile Imaging Edge Mobile now allows transfer of RAW files and files that use lossless compression. It can also remotely control Touch Tracking and Touch Focus for convenient AF operation.
p.17 #13 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
I'm super curious how fast the electronic shutter really is. If they can do 1/120 or faster with 50mpx that would be incredible, if it's much faster than that, then it would be so revolutionary that global shutter might becomes obsolete, even before it reached consumer level cameras.
p.17 #14 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Sinasina wrote:
I'm super curious how fast the electronic shutter really is. If they can do 1/120 or faster with 50mpx that would be incredible, if it's much faster than that, then it would be so revolutionary that global shutter might becomes obsolete, even before it reached consumer level cameras.
It is about 1.5x faster than for the A9, so around 1/240 s. As flash sync in e-shutter is 1/200s, a value around 1/200s -1/240 s is to be expected.
p.17 #15 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
dclark wrote:
Could you provide some more information comparing the Sony A1 raw video and Canon's "real" raw video?
From the Sony website, the A1 can only output raw video to an external recorder and only at 4332 x 2448, which is half the full sensor resolution. There's no mention of oversampling (unlike when they talk about 8K, and super35 4K) so in all likelihood they are only outputting every other quad of pixels.
The R5 on the other hand can record raw video at 8K internally.
p.17 #16 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
k-h.a.w wrote:
Which FE lenses are capable of taking full advantage of the A1 impressive capabilities?
Sony mentioned in a Q&A today that based on their current range of lenses:
23 lenses will support 30fps
approx. 4 lenses will support 20fps
others will support up to 15fps
It is not just the latest GM lenses that will support 30fps. There are a number of other lenses (including APS-C lenses featuring XD Linear focus motors) that support 30fps as well. Hopefully, Sony will make the list of compatible lenses public at some point.
Sony also confirmed that the A1 is not a successor to the A9 II. Rather, the A1 is the start of an entirely new product range and we can expect to see an A9 III in the future.
p.17 #17 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
After thinking on things a little bit I feel that Sony must be done with the A9 line. I feel that they made the marketing decision to create this A1 line in order to push the $2K price increase over what people would have expected this camera to cost if they had called it an A9III. With an A9III badge they maybe could have snuck in a $500 increase but not $2K.
I also think the marketing team wanted to switch to the "1" brand knowing that Canon will bring an R1 out later this year that will also be at this price point. There is no doubt that the combination of "A" and "1" is a powerful marketing name.
Their other option was to call this the A9R. That probably could have worked also to throw in the $2K price increase but I think marketing was correct in going with the A1 name.
As far as a potential A9III in 2022 or later....just not sure what specs they would strip out of the A1 in order to bring out a high-speed sports camera at the $4500 price point? The only thing I can see the A9III doing is having a lower MP sensor with better high-ISO noise performance. Maybe it could be the global shutter camera. But really with this A1 camera doing 1.5x readout that puts it at 1/240. It can now do standard flash at 1/200 in ES. It seems to already be providing all/most of the benefits that one would want a global shutter for anyways.
p.17 #18 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
colcha wrote:
Sony mentioned in a Q&A today that based on their current range of lenses:
23 lenses will support 30fps
approx. 4 lenses will support 20fps
others will support up to 15fps
It is not just the latest GM lenses that will support 30fps. There are a number of other lenses (including APS-C lenses featuring XD Linear focus motors) that support 30fps as well. Hopefully, Sony will make the list of compatible lenses public at some point.
Sony also confirmed that the A1 is not a successor to the A9 II. Rather, the A1 is the start of an entirely new product range and we can expect to see an A9 III in the future.
Can you link me to that Q&A? Was it the Sony AlphaUniverse one? I did watch that one but admit I was distracted by other work half of the time and likely missed a number of things.
p.17 #19 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
arbitrage wrote:
My biggest outstanding question about the A1 is whether Sony has finally figured out how to embed a full size jpeg into the RAW and not a postage stamp sized one. If I get stuck having to continue to shoot RAW+Jpeg with this camera just to be able to cull using fast programs that either rely on embedded jpegs or side jpegs then I'm going to be grumpy.
Have you tried FastRawViewer? I think it's brilliant, even when working directly from an SD card. I browse the SD card and use the copy function to only move the images that I am interested in to the hard drive. It is faster than I am and the new version is said to be faster still. Easy 1:1 viewing etc. I couldn't shoot Sony without it. And it's inexpensive.
p.17 #20 · Pre-Order Sony Alpha A1 (50MP, 30fps, 8K)
Jesse Evans wrote:
I also can't find mention of their multi shot high resolution mode on their website, but it is at this timestamp in the video ?t=2341
Maybe it has an OLPF, but if it does, they would be the first to offer a high resolution mode and an AA filter in the same camera unless I am mistaken.
From Sony's website: "Pixel Shift Multi Shooting Yes (4 shots / 16 shots)"
See A1
