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arbitrage wrote:
The A9II can be 1, 5, 10, 20. I would have thought the Canon could change this with a FW update but I'm not sure anymore. I think their "blackout free" experience is tied to the 20FPS frame insertion. It isn't a true live feed so if they slow it down it may start to fall apart...that is just my personal theory so who knows. As you know, being forced into 20FPS for ES is a big downside to this camera for me.



Was that always an option on the a9 first when it was launched or did they adjust in a firmware update?

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Aug 04, 2020 at 10:28 PM
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Pius Sullivan wrote:
Was that always on option on the a9 first when it was launched or did they adjust in a firmware update?


Always, it is on the physical upper left mode dial that is unique to the A9 and not on any other Sony camera.



Aug 04, 2020 at 10:34 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
The A9II can be 1, 5, 10, 20. I would have thought the Canon could change this with a FW update but I'm not sure anymore. I think their "blackout free" experience is tied to the 20FPS frame insertion. It isn't a true live feed so if they slow it down it may start to fall apart...that is just my personal theory so who knows. As you know, being forced into 20FPS for ES is a big downside to this camera for me.



There shouldn’t really be anything but some sw tweaks to make this happen. Even if it is through frame insertion then they could just capture and throw away frames instead of saving them.



Aug 04, 2020 at 11:16 PM
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Review for the Canon EOS R6 ...

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Aug 05, 2020 at 11:19 PM
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4 HRS recording with the EOS R5 ... external w/ no cards.

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Aug 06, 2020 at 12:02 AM
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Canon sports photog with the R5




Aug 06, 2020 at 02:59 PM
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Canon sports photog with the R5


"there's no way I would use electronic shutter on action in the future" watching that wobbly football, ouch.



Aug 06, 2020 at 03:12 PM
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Poefolk wrote:
Canon sports photog with the R5



Canon got rid of Cases 5 and 6 and I'm guessing they replaced it with Auto. He never tried that. It would have been interesting to see what happened. He did not mention if he adjusted - Switching tracked subjects (page 440 of the manual) to see if he could make the AF points more stubborn.

A technicality. He refers to the Cases as AF. Cases control tracking characteristics after AF is achieved. He never tried Case 2 and bumping the TS to -2. It would have been interesting to see a little fine tuning of the TS using any Case # and the Switched tracked subjects adjustment. Might be able to bump up that keeper rate.

Also it does not appear he moved the camera. It was good to see how it reacted but in real life even in full zone AF most probably follow the subject as it moves.

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Aug 06, 2020 at 03:24 PM
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therealthings wrote:
"there's no way I would use electronic shutter on action in the future" watching that wobbly football, ouch.


We can see the rolling shutter effect. We still don't know the readout speed but I guess it won't matter much. Knowing it won't reduce the effect.



Aug 06, 2020 at 03:28 PM
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Zenon Char wrote:
Canon got rid of Cases 5 and 6 and I'm guessing they replaced it with Auto. He never tried that. It would have been interesting to see what happened. He did not mention if he adjusted - Switching tracked subjects (page 440 of the manual) to see if he could make the AF points more stubborn.

A technicality. He refers to the Cases as AF. Cases control tracking characters after AF is achieved. He never tried Case 2 and bumping the TS to -2. It would have been interesting to see a little fine tuning of the TS using
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You could be right.

And this photographer is not a "Canon sports photographer" as the person who posted this video labeled him. He used to be a sports photographer 10 years ago but seems to have switched to fashion and event photography. He is also not a "Canon photographer" in that he is not sponsored by Canon.

So his knowledge of the AF system for sports may be a bit outdated.



Aug 06, 2020 at 03:48 PM
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quantumloop wrote:
You could be right.

And this photographer is not a "Canon sports photographer" as the person who posted this video labeled him. He used to be a sports photographer 10 years ago but seems to have switched to fashion and event photography. He is also not a "Canon photographer" in that he is not sponsored by Canon.

So his knowledge of the AF system for sports may be a bit outdated.


Well, he's a Canon shooter, who used to shoot sports professionally.



Aug 06, 2020 at 04:12 PM
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quantumloop wrote:
You could be right.

And this photographer is not a "Canon sports photographer" as the person who posted this video labeled him. He used to be a sports photographer 10 years ago but seems to have switched to fashion and event photography. He is also not a "Canon photographer" in that he is not sponsored by Canon.

So his knowledge of the AF system for sports may be a bit outdated.


A week ago I thought I’d never use E Shutter. I figured 12fps would be fine. Better than 5 with the R. I started to become intrigued and now I don’t know what to think. My original thoughts where at a fixed rate of 20fps I don’t want to cull 100 + shots of each bird flight I take. I have trouble deciding at 5fps but I’ll be glad to get back to 7D2 levels. I need to keep reminding myself about that.



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For this example, I used face and eye detect autofocus with people wearing helmets that block their faces and eyes.


Aug 06, 2020 at 04:24 PM
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Zenon Char wrote:
Canon got rid of Cases 5 and 6 and I'm guessing they replaced it with Auto. He never tried that. It would have been interesting to see what happened. He did not mention if he adjusted - Switching tracked subjects (page 440 of the manual) to see if he could make the AF points more stubborn.

A technicality. He refers to the Cases as AF. Cases control tracking characters after AF is achieved. He never tried Case 2 and bumping the TS to -2. It would have been interesting to see a little fine tuning of the TS using
...Show more

Just wondering what percentage of OOF shots the Sony a9 would get in that situation, probably alot less than that... would be nice to know...



Aug 06, 2020 at 04:42 PM
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Pius Sullivan wrote:
Just wondering what percentage of OOF shots the Sony a9 would get in that situation, probably alot less than that... would be nice to know...


Yes it would.



Aug 06, 2020 at 08:17 PM
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Poefolk wrote:
Well, he's a Canon shooter, who used to shoot sports professionally.


He said he used Case 4 a lot. Canon manuals/documents can be a little vague. There are two dimensions. 1.Up, down, left and right. 2. Forward and backward. I always suspected Case 4 was for Forward and Backward movement. The 1DXII AF guide does say that as I recall.

When I was looking for some tips on how to set up my 7D2 I came across a Peter Reid Millar 1DX blog and he recommended to set TS to -2 for sports. Even if used Case 4 I'd also lower the TS. The presenter in the video seemed to just rely on the factory settings which may have been fine. Zone AF is a different animal. Millar was probably not using zone AF back then.

I have another question. Sure tech has come a long way but do you really need eye focus for all sports? Would the A9 as Pius suggested outperform the R5 using eye focus? I took this shortly after getting the 7D2. I friend asked me to shoot his son. I used a 300L F4 IS and it was night game. I had to shoot at 12,800 ISO and wide open I still couldn't get faster shutter than 1/500. Sometimes slower and you can see the motion blur in his hands a feet. I can tell you that the AF point as no were near his head.












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Forgot to say. I learned what the meaning of a fast lens was that night. What I would have given for another stop.


Aug 06, 2020 at 08:44 PM
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Pius Sullivan wrote:
Just wondering what percentage of OOF shots the Sony a9 would get in that situation, probably alot less than that... would be nice to know...


Haven't you heard? The A9 never misses a shot....



Aug 06, 2020 at 09:01 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
Haven't you heard? The A9 never misses a shot....



That's not what Dave P. says...



Aug 06, 2020 at 09:09 PM
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Pius Sullivan wrote:
That's not what Dave P. says...


Well there is some user skill involved with tracking BIF also....just saying.....



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