Zenon Char wrote:
The Sony A9 II was released in 2019.
For all intents and purposes, it’s the same camera as the a9 was. It is surprising that nobody else, even Sony, has adopted a stacked sensor for a MILC besides the a9/a9 II at this point. That seems to be changing with the a7s II successor but I almost wonder if Canon is just waiting to solve rolling shutter issues with the eventual implementation of global shutter.
Tony5787 wrote:
For all intents and purposes, it’s the same camera as the a9 was. It is surprising that nobody else, even Sony, has adopted a stacked sensor for a MILC besides the a9/a9 II at this point. That seems to be changing with the a7s II successor but I almost wonder if Canon is just waiting to solve rolling shutter issues with the eventual implementation of global shutter.
If so why did Sony release the A9 II and why would people pay more for it.
Zenon Char wrote:
If so why did Sony release the A9 II and why would people pay more for it.
It has minor upgrades for working pros like dual UHS-II slots, faster burst speed with the mechanical shutter (which to me is irrelevant with either the a9 or a9 II), gigabit Ethernet, and an upgraded processor which, right now seems to have a minimal effect on AF performance but will probably see more benefits in firmware updates. As far as the sensor tech is concerned though they’re identical.
Also let’s be real, Sony could have released the exact same camera with the different ergonomics and a “II” on it and people are going to buy it just to have the latest and greatest
Point was that a9 debuted stacked sensor and no back out ‘real’ finder on an EVF based camera. That is yet to be surpassed. Canon as well as Nikon will eventually catch up there is no doubt. R5 II perhaps will get there.
Tony5787 wrote:
For all intents and purposes, it’s the same camera as the a9 was. It is surprising that nobody else, even Sony, has adopted a stacked sensor for a MILC besides the a9/a9 II at this point. That seems to be changing with the a7s II successor but I almost wonder if Canon is just waiting to solve rolling shutter issues with the eventual implementation of global shutter.
........you mean is that as long as you take shots and then just release to half way (and not all the way off the shutter) then you don't see blackout then yeah that is how the 1DXIII is and I believe how the R5/R6 are. BUT it is frame insertion...snip
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Yes, that is what I mean. So the problem you have is that I am back in time one or two shots? So what? I am getting all poses that everyone else does. This looks to me like when during a live stream chatters said "Lee, your chat lags 1 second. He said "so what? I am seeing everything you see who cares"? I have the same answer here.
Yes but he wasn't comparing the 1DXII to a 4 year old camera. He was comparing it to a A9 II which is shown on the top of the video. I don't know much about Sony but they must have made some improvements to justify releasing it. I think it is fair to the readers to say it is a one year old camera. Until the Fro releases the same back to back test with the 1DXIII and the A9 we don't really know what the differences might be.
nandadevieast wrote:
Point was that a9 debuted stacked sensor and no back out ‘real’ finder on an EVF based camera. That is yet to be surpassed. Canon as well as Nikon will eventually catch up there is no doubt. R5 II perhaps will get there.
Andrew J wrote:
........you mean is that as long as you take shots and then just release to half way (and not all the way off the shutter) then you don't see blackout then yeah that is how the 1DXIII is and I believe how the R5/R6 are. BUT it is frame insertion...snip
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Yes, that is what I mean. So the problem you have is that I am back in time one or two shots? So what? I am getting all poses that everyone else does. This looks to me like when during a live stream chatters said "Lee, your chat lags 1 second. He said "so what? I am seeing everything you see who cares"? I have the same answer here....Show more →
Andrew J wrote:
........you mean is that as long as you take shots and then just release to half way (and not all the way off the shutter) then you don't see blackout then yeah that is how the 1DXIII is and I believe how the R5/R6 are. BUT it is frame insertion...snip
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Yes, that is what I mean. So the problem you have is that I am back in time one or two shots? So what? I am getting all poses that everyone else does. This looks to me like when during a live stream chatters said "Lee, your chat lags 1 second. He said "so what? I am seeing everything you see who cares"? I have the same answer here....Show more →
That’s true if the subject is traveling in a predictable fashion but if it’s erratic or suddenly changes direction, it could take several frames before you’re able to reliably track it again.
arbitrage wrote:
I only ever go to 20FPS when I really need it. If I was stuck in 20FPS every time I wanted e-shutter (which would be all the time possible) that is a big negative to me. I hope Canon can FW update that to let us have options for lower FPS in e-shutter.
It's simple: you just touch the shutter button gently every other 100ms to get 5 fps, etc.
- RoboTig
1) The delay caused by frame insertion isn't just a consistent delay. In most implementations, it gets worse over time, so if you have a 4-second-long burst, you might find at the end that the bird isn't in your frame for the latter pictures. It all depends on execution, and we won't really be able to know this about the R5 until someone capable of stressing the camera with close BIF panning lets us know. Interestingly, at 20 fps, this might be worse than at the R's 3 fps.
2) Until very, very recently, I owned both the A9 and A9 II. The II was worth it to me to upgrade primarily because of the doubling of the mechanical shutter fps, and the ergonomic improvements. If you were looking for anything else, you wouldn't really find it. It was really the "A9.1," not the A9 II. My hope was that the vastly increased processing capacity would be employed for some future firmware magic, but that hasn't materialized. For the purposes of discussing the shutter stuff, I don't think there is any improvement in the II, or at least none I noticed. I think it's fair to say that the A9 is remarkable in its unique stacked sensor features that remain on top for an entire camera generation. For those of us seeking such things, it's been an interesting journey, with a few people - like Arbitrage - making it in common.
Zenon Char wrote:
Not sure it mechanical or electronic. Minute 3:21
To me, I see a one time blackout right at the beginning then it looks really smooth from there. That's a personal opinion though.
Having used the R when it was first released as well as more recently with the updated firmware, it's not the blackout that's bad, it's the lag behind of the action. The R was atrocious for this at first, but firmware updates have made it better. My 1DxIIIs in live view are significantly better. Of course, I would rarely, if ever, use live view for real action.
bipock wrote:
To me, I see a one time blackout right at the beginning then it looks really smooth from there. That's a personal opinion though.
Having used the R when it was first released as well as more recently with the updated firmware, it's not the blackout that's bad, it's the lag behind of the action. The R was atrocious for this at first, but firmware updates have made it better. My 1DxIIIs in live view are significantly better. Of course, I would rarely, if ever, use live view for real action.
I was fortunate to get the R just after FW 1.3 came out. I find the AF quite good. Blackout is still pretty bad burst shooting. It has a High Speed Display option that only works on RF lenses but I'm not sure how much difference it made. I only tried once for a short bit but I don't use that lens for those purposes.
The R and RF24-105 will be a prefect point and shoot after I get my R5
Zenon Char wrote:
I’ve seen that. So that is for mechanical shutter, not E?
He didn't mention he just said while shooting you just see the white box on the outside of the frame. I guess we'll have to see once non canon ambassadors get to test these. I'm hoping that's with a mechanical shutter. I did my preorder regardless for an R6.
Dpedraza wrote:
He didn't mention he just said while shooting you just see the white box on the outside of the frame. I guess we'll have to see once non canon ambassadors get to test these. I'm hoping that's with a mechanical shutter. I did my preorder regardless for an R6.
Thanks.I don't plan using the e shutter much. 12 fps is plenty for my needs.
