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p.24 #1 · R5/6 lag/blackout


arbitrage wrote:
This looks promising in ES, 19 consecutive, 400DO/1.4TC that stanj posted here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1656877/13#15307612

There is a few of the frames with some distortion but nothing like A7RIV or Z cameras produce.


Canon has ~18ms scan time vs about 60ms for those two, means a lot less rolling shutter. Disappointing Sony didn't improve the A7RIV. The new Sony A7sIII however, manages ~8ms which is impressive for a non-stacked sensor, while A9/II is ~ 6ms




Aug 13, 2020 at 07:51 AM
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p.24 #2 · R5/6 lag/blackout


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Canon has ~18ms scan time vs about 60ms for those two, means a lot less rolling shutter. Disappointing Sony didn't improve the A7RIV. The new Sony A7sIII however, manages ~8ms which is impressive for a non-stacked sensor, while A9/II is ~ 6ms




At a cell phone level of 12mp, I would hardly use the word "impressive" to describe anything stills related with the A7sIII. As a stills camera, which is what we're talking about here, in 2020 that is a huge fail. Video kids should love it though, maybe.



Aug 13, 2020 at 08:31 AM
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p.24 #3 · R5/6 lag/blackout


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Canon has ~18ms scan time vs about 60ms for those two, means a lot less rolling shutter. Disappointing Sony didn't improve the A7RIV. The new Sony A7sIII however, manages ~8ms which is impressive for a non-stacked sensor, while A9/II is ~ 6ms



Not sure what the Z50/7 are but the A7RIV is 33ms in APS-C mode and 50ms in FF mode. Yeah not great but you can still shoot seagulls and herons and even some wing positions of hummers (like fully stretched back) without distortion on the A7RIV. So the R5 will give even more opportunities where you won't ruin the shot with distortion. However it isn't immune to it like the A9 is so you will always have to consider the risk even if it is less risk than other cameras.



Aug 13, 2020 at 08:39 AM
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p.24 #4 · R5/6 lag/blackout


So, we finally have a real test and result:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r6-review/7

"H+ mode gives the highest burst speeds (12 fps) but displays show a slideshow of images you've just captured in the viewfinder (making it difficult to follow motion). Dropping to 'H' mode (up to 8 fps) and engaging 'Camera Tab | Page 7 | [Cont.H] High Speed Display' provides live view refreshes between each image capture."

And when you scroll down to the AF Tracking
"Electronic Shutter (20 fps) Case 1" of the 16 images I would say only 2 images are sharp #11 and #12
This is really poor, and it may be user error, but if not, Face Detect is a fail in my view.




Aug 27, 2020 at 10:29 PM
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p.24 #5 · R5/6 lag/blackout


At this point in the game, we have MANY reviews showing that eye af is not a fail.

I also see several frames where I can make out whiskers on the face, and eyebrows, in the 100% crops, so I am unsure what you are looking at. You have to ignore the sharpness of the IQ and rather concentrate on what exactly is in focus. If the eyes are in the focal plane, that is all eye AF can do. The rest is dependent on shutter speed and optics.



Aug 28, 2020 at 07:18 AM
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snapsy wrote:
Keep in mind EVF/LCD lag is a function of the full image-processing chain time rather than just readout speed. In fact readout speed represents a fractional percentage of that total time. The process of getting data from the sensor to the EVF/LCD involves the sensor read, demosaicing, noise reduction, lens correction, tone curve, and picture profile application.


so the evf lag time can be reduced if nr, lens correction, lcd preview (and any custom picture profile) are disabled.



Aug 28, 2020 at 09:38 AM
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p.24 #7 · R5/6 lag/blackout


tntcorp wrote:
so the evf lag time can be reduced if nr, lens correction, lcd preview (and any custom picture profile) are disabled.


I always disable all in camera adjustments for everything.



Aug 28, 2020 at 11:57 AM
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p.24 #8 · R5/6 lag/blackout


sydlow wrote:
So, we finally have a real test and result:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r6-review/7

"H+ mode gives the highest burst speeds (12 fps) but displays show a slideshow of images you've just captured in the viewfinder (making it difficult to follow motion). Dropping to 'H' mode (up to 8 fps) and engaging 'Camera Tab | Page 7 | [Cont.H] High Speed Display' provides live view refreshes between each image capture."



So can anyone confirm this actually works? HSD actually refreshes between images in H? When we talked about this before HSD goes grey on H+ but comes on automatically for E Shutter.



Aug 28, 2020 at 12:01 PM
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p.24 #9 · R5/6 lag/blackout


Thanks for the info, I don't need 20 fps , 8 fps works great for me.

sydlow wrote:
So, we finally have a real test and result:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r6-review/7

"H+ mode gives the highest burst speeds (12 fps) but displays show a slideshow of images you've just captured in the viewfinder (making it difficult to follow motion). Dropping to 'H' mode (up to 8 fps) and engaging 'Camera Tab | Page 7 | [Cont.H] High Speed Display' provides live view refreshes between each image capture."

And when you scroll down to the AF Tracking
"Electronic Shutter (20 fps) Case 1" of the 16 images I would say only 2 images are sharp #11 and #12
This is really poor, and it may be user
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Sep 27, 2021 at 07:25 PM
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p.24 #10 · R5/6 lag/blackout


I'll have to try this out. But I just shot two soccer games this weekend with the R6, all in 12FPS (green H+ mode), and didn't have any issue keeping running subjects mostly centered in the frame.

Brian




Sep 27, 2021 at 08:05 PM
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