p.29 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
NissanPatrol wrote:
Most of the images of the R5 that I have seen are soft, nothing close to the a9. That remains to be explained.
That must have been because it were OOC jpegs?
The R5 RAW files that I've converted to be edited in LR are very sharp and a lot more detailed than the A9/A9II.
Just like you'd expect from such a resolution difference.
p.29 #2 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jochenb wrote:
That must have been because it were OOC jpegs?
The R5 RAW files that I've converted to be edited in LR are very sharp and a lot more detailed than the A9/A9II.
Just like you'd expect from such a resolution difference.
Thanks for sharing your experiance.
So the only remaining thing for me is real world BIF.
p.29 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jochenb wrote:
That must have been because it were OOC jpegs?
The R5 RAW files that I've converted to be edited in LR are very sharp and a lot more detailed than the A9/A9II.
Just like you'd expect from such a resolution difference.
I haven't reviewed any shots out of the R5, but I compared my A7R3 shots against my spouse's A9 shots. I often did not find much if any difference between them, despite that the A9 is 24MP and the A7R3 is 42MP. Since I wanted better AF, I got an A9 and sold the A7R3. One would expect the A7R3 to have much more detailed images, but I just did not see it at 100% side-by-side comparisons.
p.29 #6 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
speedmaster20d wrote:
Canon have a history of over promising and under delivering. The camera's never delivered what the marketing boasted. However a class action will no get anywhere in Japan because of their laws. In the US you can sue Canon USA subsidiary but that often gets nowhere either because they hide everything in the fine print.
What exactly is the fine print? In small letters, "this camera won't work if you use it"? On the surface, this appears to be consumer fraud. This isn't a hard sell to a jury nor to a judge. It doesn't matter if Canon has a US subsidiary; if a competent plaintiff's firm wants to pursue the case, they will prosecute the organization responsible.
I hope Canon takes a well deserved reputational hit. I also hope the new Blackmagic camera and A7sIII work perfectly, to (hopefully) make quite clear to the Canon fanboys that a "professional" camera is one whose baseline features work exactly as expected by the consumer.
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p.29 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
NJPhotographer wrote:
"it's only misleading to people who fail to look at the the actual test results." -- Correct, but then it is misleading to a lot of photographers.
ignorant people get mislead all the time.
i gave you an example of that with the trump twitter account, but you refused to address it.
as for marc, no, his lens "test" was both inaccurate and totally misleading, do a forum search and you'll see why.
p.29 #8 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Most wouldn’t. Its a pixel peeping fixation.
The majority of the maker’s side of the biz is catering to the obsessed. Why do you think there are so many third party Sony mount lenses...”oooh a new 1.4 lens by MeikeNeewerSammyWhomever etc,...gotta check that out!”
Some people can’t resist the idea of better bokeh for their dandilion photos (then they sell it on here).
We all “should” be seeking great photos with INEXPENSIVE gear and comparing those,not feeding the machine and being discontent.
scrappydog wrote:
I haven't reviewed any shots out of the R5, but I compared my A7R3 shots against my spouse's A9 shots. I often did not find much if any difference between them, despite that the A9 is 24MP and the A7R3 is 42MP. Since I wanted better AF, I got an A9 and sold the A7R3. One would expect the A7R3 to have much more detailed images, but I just did not see it at 100% side-by-side comparisons.
p.29 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jman13 wrote:
Best thing here is the joystick to switch between eyes. Sony needs to add this via firmware and soon.
I'm perfectly fine with Left/Right Eye Select toggle hotkey on my A7R4. When used with Tracking: Expand Flexible Spot to select which face to track I have trouble seeing what more I would need from FW.
p.29 #11 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
tn1krr wrote:
I'm fine perfectly with Left/Right Eye Select toggle hotkey on my A7R4. When used with Tracking: Expand Flexible Spot to select which face to track I have trouble seeing what more I would need from FW.
Me, too. I do so many portraits, the Sony picks the right eye most of the time anyway. I am usually in flex spot small with face/eye priority, so it picks the closest eye under the spot, works usually like a charm.
p.29 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
He's not referring to the R5 switching between eyes. He's referring to it switching between subjects with a single toggle of the joystick left or right. For example as if your Sony was in AF-C wide it would recognize both subjects. It would it make that clear with two eye-AF markers along with a left/right arrow letting you know you can quickly choose which subject you want it to focus on. With my A7RIV I would have to switch to flexible spot and move the spot several clicks across the frame. Canon's method seems much faster and this is an issue I've always had with my Sony's (easily selecting the correct subject).
tn1krr wrote:
I'm perfectly fine with Left/Right Eye Select toggle hotkey on my A7R4. When used with Tracking: Expand Flexible Spot to select which face to track I have trouble seeing what more I would need from FW.
p.29 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Did you guys watch the video? In addition to the fact that sometimes EyeAF does pick the wrong eye on a subject (not all that often, but it definitely happens), this allows you, on the fly, to switch EyeAF subjects using the joystick. Two people in a shot and it's grabbing the person you don't want? Flick the joystick and it changes to your subject of choice. This is a huge improvement in EyeAF usability and selection.
p.29 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
AlphaPhotography wrote:
He's not referring to the R5 switching between eyes. He's referring to it switching between subjects with a single toggle of the joystick left or right. For example as if your Sony was in AF-C wide it would recognize both subjects. It would it make that clear with two eye-AF markers along with a left/right arrow letting you know you can quickly choose which subject you want it to focus on. With my A7RIV I would have to switch to flexible spot and move the spot several clicks across the frame. Canon's method seems much faster and this is an issue I've always had with my Sony's (easily selecting the correct subject).
Practice. It is really not a big thing, esp. with touch function enabled. A simple touch and you have the spot to the person you like. Flex Spot is the way to go at weddings in my opinion. Very easy.
p.29 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
AlphaPhotography wrote:
He's not referring to the R5 switching between eyes. He's referring to it switching between subjects with a single toggle of the joystick left or right. For example as if your Sony was in AF-C wide it would recognize both subjects. It would it make that clear with two eye-AF markers along with a left/right arrow letting you know you can quickly choose which subject you want it to focus on. With my A7RIV I would have to switch to flexible spot and move the spot several clicks across the frame. Canon's method seems much faster and this is an issue I've always had with my Sony's (easily selecting the correct subject).
I rarely move the focus spot (I just place it somewhere "about right") or use a focus area larger than Expand Flex Spot. Just pick a face to track with small focus area and reframe a bit if needed. Swap which eye to focus when/if needed. When there is more than 2 people in the shot this gives me quick way to pick face I want for example if it gets hidden for a while. If you have say 4-5 people in the shot you'll be contantly toggling between faces if the one you want gets hidden for a sec. Can the Canon select between the eyes?
To each to their own but I really do not see Canon way having any real edge here.
p.29 #17 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
scrappydog wrote:
I haven't reviewed any shots out of the R5, but I compared my A7R3 shots against my spouse's A9 shots. I often did not find much if any difference between them, despite that the A9 is 24MP and the A7R3 is 42MP. Since I wanted better AF, I got an A9 and sold the A7R3. One would expect the A7R3 to have much more detailed images, but I just did not see it at 100% side-by-side comparisons.
Those are exactly the same cameras I'm using right now (A9 + A7RIII) and while I'm certainly happy with the A9 files I do see more fine detail in my A7RIII shots.
You can also see this in something like the DPR comparison tool:
update:
since they've now also added the R5, here's also that comparison:
So just like I mentioned earlier: I think it's very normal that the 45MP R5 gives better detail than a 24MP A9.
p.29 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
If you look at the Astro photogs and their cooled cams (some are Sony), yes, Sony cams can also benefit from cooling. It is not just video but also still captures that benefit from cooling.
Editorrr wrote:
Sony doesn't need any outside help.
p.29 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Jman13 wrote:
Did you guys watch the video? In addition to the fact that sometimes EyeAF does pick the wrong eye on a subject (not all that often, but it definitely happens), this allows you, on the fly, to switch EyeAF subjects using the joystick. Two people in a shot and it's grabbing the person you don't want? Flick the joystick and it changes to your subject of choice. This is a huge improvement in EyeAF usability and selection.
This is probably useful when using wide etc.
We often have many people in the frame and this wouldn't be that useful in that case. Flexible spot + eye/face detect only picks the eye of the person where the flex spot is. So I can choose directly from the beginning which person to focus on. Additionally, if I want to focus on a detail somewhere just point the spot to it and it focuses without going to some eye or the closest thing.
I always want to control where the focus is.
I don't have anything against more options. Fine if it would be helpful to some, I can't think of any use for *me*.
