p.1 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I think many of us eagerly awaited the release of the Canon R5 (some perhaps even the R6) and I am curious what are your initial reactions to the specs/details?
The jury is still out on performance and IQ but, as a Sony user, what do you like or dislike with the new Canon release? Anyone thinking of giving it a try?
p.1 #2 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
The R5 sounds pretty good so far from the videos I'm seeing today. I hope that it's an amazing camera and is better than the Sony's out right now. I don't feel the need to switch no matter how good it is, but I think it's good for competition to push Sony further.
p.1 #3 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
The key to R5 specs is sensor read speed (or data throughput). In this aspect, canon has leapfrogged competition similar to how Apple did with iPhone back in 2006. This is why Canon was comfortable announcing the specs months before release without fearing competitive catchup.
Given that Sony makes sensors for pretty much all other major players, we can not expect a camera with competing specs, from any vendor, until Sony semiconductor can produce a sensor with similar read speed.
p.1 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
On paper it sounds like we have a camera that is an R3 with better AF performance than the R4 but not up to A9, as well as an eshutter that is quite behind the A9.
I think it will be what the 5D4 was, an absolute workhorse for hybrid shooters for many years to come. It looks like a very, very well rounded body that is future leaning (4K/120 and 8K/30).
I shoot 2 lenses 99% of the time...24-105, 100-400, and I dip my toe into the 16-35 as needed for landscape and astro and nothing else.
It will be a fairly easy switch to the RF counterparts if the R5 performs favorably with those 3 lenses. While I like the R4 features, I'm still not sold on the increased noise trade off for the resolution and better AF I'm getting vs the R3. The Canon looks like it might solve that.
p.1 #5 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Looks good. Plus Canon has been known to do deep discounts especially around the holidays. I can imagine these bodies to have amazing deals come end of year! It's a good time to be a photographer with so much selection!
On a side note, I hope there are more Sony to Canon flip-floppers so I can get an A9 for sub $2000 USD!
p.1 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
indusphoto wrote:
The key to R5 specs is sensor read speed. In this aspect, canon has leapfrogged competition similar to how Apple did with iPhone back in 2006. This is why Canon was comfortable announcing the specs months before release without fearing competitive catchup.
Given that Sony makes sensors for pretty much all other major players, we can not expect a camera with competing specs, from any vendor, until Sony semiconductor can produce a sensor with similar read speed.
Sony has a clear advantage on sensor read speed since they have BSI/stacked electronics technology. Until Canon develops that technology Sony will have an advantage that is most obvious in the rolling shutter performance with electronic shutters. The Canon R5 is an impressive camera and Canon has done well to improve the read speed to deliver 20FPS with electronic shutter, but the sensor read speed speed is still too slow to match Sony A9 electronic shutter.
p.1 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
Cameras are only as useful as the lenses available to fit them. So far, Canon has produced zero RF lenses of interest to me. I am certainly not going to buy an R5 so I can put a 600mm f/11 lens on it.
p.1 #10 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
jeffbuzz wrote:
Cameras are only as useful as the lenses available to fit them. So far, Canon has produced zero RF lenses of interest to me. I am certainly not going to buy an R5 so I can put a 600mm f/11 lens on it.
Literally every EF lens fits it, although I get your point about the current native lineup.
p.1 #12 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
indusphoto wrote:
The key to R5 specs is sensor read speed. In this aspect, canon has leapfrogged competition similar to how Apple did with iPhone back in 2006. This is why Canon was comfortable announcing the specs months before release without fearing competitive catchup.
Given that Sony makes sensors for pretty much all other major players, we can not expect a camera with competing specs, from any vendor, until Sony semiconductor can produce a sensor with similar read speed.
Sony already makes a sensor with faster read speed. It is in the a9/a9II. They can do fast action at 20 frames a second using electronic shutter with no rolling shutter artifacts. The Canon R5 sensor is not fast enough to do this, it is subject to rolling shutter in fast moving subjects.
p.1 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I came over from Canon to Sony a few years back. I'm glad canon has awoken and is pushing out a competitive body and feature set. But personally, I like the way sony divides bodies into the R, S, vanilla, and a9 lines. As landscape shooter most of the stuff in the R5 isn't of interest.
p.1 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
The R5 sounds like an absolutely fantastic camera. Really there's nothing to complain about, and it seems that Canon has caught up to (and perhaps even surpassed) Sony with regards to AF (at least on the non-A9 bodies), which if that bears out is rather remarkable.
The R6 is well specced, but the sensor is a bit disappointing, and I would have liked to see them stick closer to a $1999 price point for it.
Overall, I've been very impressed with the Canon RF system so far. The original R had some really nice things and some very poorly thought out things (that awful touch bar), while these two seem to fix most of the complaints and then go a step further. The RF glass all looks to be quite excellent, though I raise my eyebrows a bit at some of the design decisions along with price points. The lenses are exceedingly expensive, though in many cases worth it. I was surprised that their 100-500mm is a whopping $2700 at f/7.1. I like the thought of the new 85/2.
The biggest downside to the RF mount at the moment is the lack of quality third party glass. I did a comparison, though, and to go to an R5 with 5 lenses - the 15-35/2.8, 24-105/4, 70-200/2.8, Samyang 85/1.4 and RF 35/1.8, it would run over $11,000. My A7R IV with my Sigma 14-24/2.8, Tamron 28-75/2.8, Tamron 70-180/2.8, Sigma 35/1.4 and Samyang 85/1.4 cost me $6,925. Granted, I was able to get the A7R IV at a deep discount.
As one who reviews stuff, though, I may pick up a cheap used RP so I at least have a platform to review RF lenses, as Canon is really impressive right now. If I were just now getting into FF mirrorless, it would be hard to not give them a hard look.
p.1 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I am not a video guy, so there is nothing really interesting me anymore. The a9ii is our main camera and solved the issues we had with the a9. The a7riv is there for high res work. The A9ii stacked sensor is still the important thing I don't want to miss anymore - the ingredient making the difference. Using it most of the time spoils you. Using the A7riv, one thinks it to be slow and sluggish in comparison ;-)
As the 1dxiii isn't able to surpass the A9 in AF performance, the R5 won't either, to the contrary. I cannot imagine it to be equal to Canons sport flagship in AF performance (however, the Canon-die hards are dreaming of that already).
But, Canon now has a serious competitor. Many Canon shooters will like it. I see 8k as marketing gimmick. 1TB cards give you 51 min at most, I read. I think the A7siii will surprise us.
I doubt too many photographers will buy the R5, at least in Germany, *right now*. Covid19 caused too many to have almost no income this year, we know many many being in serious financial trouble. So enthusiasts are the ones going for it I guess. But that could change next year.
Will be interesting to see how performance turns out after the dust settles and spec-fanatics see reality more clearly. But maybe the R5 surprises us?
p.1 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
DaveFP wrote:
Where I come from that's not called "skimming"; it's called "doin' bidness".
In sales and marketing theory, "skimming" is just a natural part of the pricing strategy, which is one components of the Kotler's 4 P's (place, price, product and promotion). It is not one that all seller apply, it has both advantages and disadvantages.
p.1 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
I left Canon in 2015 and never really looked back. I'm happy with my A7RIII and the lenses I have, and have always thought it would be the last camera I would ever need, and still mostly feel that way—surprisingly, I haven't felt the GAS yet. The R5 looks great, but not in any tremendous way (for my needs) that would make me lust for it.
So I see it more as Canon finally reaching parity with Sony re: the things that were previous dealbreakers (single card slots). Were I still with Canon, I would be comfortable saying the R5 is the last camera I would ever need. The only thing it made me want from Canon is their colors. Still miss the way skin looked coming straight out of my 5D and 5DII.
p.1 #19 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6
VetraLens wrote:
I left Canon in 2015 and never really looked back. I'm happy with my A7RIII and the lenses I have, and have always thought it would be the last camera I would ever need, and still mostly feel that way—surprisingly, I haven't felt the GAS yet. The R5 looks great, but not in any tremendous way (for my needs) that would make me lust for it.
So I see it more as Canon finally reaching parity with Sony re: the things that were previous dealbreakers (single card slots). Were I still with Canon, I would be comfortable saying the R5 is the last camera I would ever need. The only thing it made me want from Canon is their colors. Still miss the way skin looked coming straight out of my 5D and 5DII....Show more →
I think the leap-frogging is now starting to begin between Canon and Sony. Whether Nikon plays a role, too, I am not able to say right now.
I think the gas is more with people wanting video performance. But most wedding videographers we work with use Sony and (recently more and more) Fuji.
I really don't feel any gas, and it would just be too costly to switch. We work with four cams (my wife and I have two each) with primes attached. Getting four R5 + f1.2 lenses etc. would be horribly expensive. And in the end we would see again, that our images aren't miraculously better all of a sudden.
Developing your own style and improving using light and composition is much more important. And how long would it take the landscape shooter to exceed the capabilities of the A7riv with Sigma 14-24 or 12-24GM?
