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p.19 #1 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

milkod2001 wrote:
Apples to orange, you can't really compare super expensive Sony broadcasting camera to 8k R5 mainstream under $4k camera.
But you are also right, Canon was the first to bring dslr video and failed to follow up. I honestly don't think they let it go this time around since they have all tech available now.

Sony doesn't necessarily have to follow up,all is needed is improved IBIS, 4k60p or 4k120p with no record limits and overheating. 8k can be left for giant RED cameras.

that sony 8k camera is a statement about how far sony 8k tech has come, even going back three years... if they did that, they could easily be doing 8k for our prosumer gear.

agree that all sony needs for now is 4kp60 4:2:2, and raw output, they are way behind on that front, and i don't understand why they dropped the ball on it.

what's the point of a ff pz28-135 and this ff lens, glass that no other company has, but no 4kp60: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1506716-REG/sony_selc1635g_fe_c_16_35mm_t_3_1.html

is sony committed to ff video, or not?

Jul 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM

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p.19 #2 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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Let Canon get some praise!

they'll release firmware updates to fix af issues and whatnot.

Jul 14, 2020 at 12:25 PM

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that sony 8k camera is a statement about how far sony 8k tech has come, even going back three years... if they did that, they could easily be doing 8k for our prosumer gear.

agree that all sony needs for now is 4kp60 4:2:2, and raw output, they are way behind on that front, and i don't understand why they dropped the ball on it.

what's the point of a ff pz28-135 and this ff lens, glass that no other company has, but no 4kp60: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1506716-REG/sony_selc1635g_fe_c_16_35mm_t_3_1.html

is sony committed to ff video, or not?

If the colported specs of the A7siii turn out to be true - I would clearly say yes. Interesting how the wind in the SAR-forums turned. First the R5 was raved and Sony trashed, now people are excited about the possible A7siii. Hopefully Sony delivers.

Jul 14, 2020 at 12:33 PM

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p.19 #4 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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Let Canon get some praise!

I mean, before Sony came along with their mirrorless cameras in 2013, Canon was known for their innovation -- but for a while became a bit complacent.

The feature-rich Canon R5 suggests that Canon invested heavily in R&D for mirrorless while Sony took almost five years to release the new A7S III.
It's not coincidence two new Sony bodies (A7S III and another 'affordable' full frame body) are going to be released within weeks from the Canon R5 and R6 announcement.

Sony realized that to get the most out of their cameras, they would have the...Show more →

"Canon went a different route and made a camera that works well for all applications. It looks like it was a smart decision because this put them back in the game!"

Did it though? Put them back in the game? I know the hype is big at the moment for sure but I still don't trust Canon. To me the route they chose oozes of desperation more than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I love me some versatility. It could certainly live up to the hype. But as of right now I'll wait till it's in real peoples hands. I'm fairly confident there are more gremlins lurking that will be found. Either way it is good for all of us regardless of Brand.

Jul 14, 2020 at 01:35 PM

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I follow many different video forums and happily used the original a7S for a number of years. The consensus regarding what Sony would need to deliver in the a7Siii - at least a cpl years ago, when rumors started circulating - had to do with a built-in digital ND filter, a fully articulating screen, preferably a large one, 4k internal raw recording... that type of thing. I don't remember anyone asking about 8k, or if they did, they were met with rebuttals.

You guys realize that the Arri Alexa 65, which was the camera used to shoot the last Star Wars movie, among many MANY other award winning contemporary films, is a 4k camera, right?

I realize that 8k will offer some degree of future-proofing, and certainly adds the benefit of cropping at ridiculous levels which one may or may not need if they use appropriate lenses and consider their framing before shooting, but I think it's mostly for bragging rights and for the folks who like listing numbers and specs. I don't think it's necessary for prosumers or even professional videographers, and in fact may be a hindrance once the tradeoffs are realized.
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If the colported specs of the A7siii turn out to be true - I would clearly say yes. Interesting how the wind in the SAR-forums turned. First the R5 was raved and Sony trashed, now people are excited about the possible A7siii. Hopefully Sony delivers.

Jul 14, 2020 at 01:57 PM

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"Canon issues statement regarding EOS R5 & R6 Overheating During Video Recording

In regard to the installation of a fan: The decision not to install a fan within the body was made in order to maintain the EOS R5�s compact size, lightweight construction and weather resistance."
https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/14/canon-issues-statement-regarding-eos-r5-r6-overheating-during-video-recording/

Jul 14, 2020 at 01:59 PM

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p.19 #7 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

THIS IS THE BEST THREAD I'VE EVER STARTED ON FM

Jul 14, 2020 at 01:59 PM

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I follow many different video forums and happily used the original a7S for a number of years. The consensus regarding what Sony would need to deliver in the a7Siii - at least a cpl years ago, when rumors started circulating - had to do with a built-in digital ND filter, a fully articulating screen, preferably a large one, 4k internal raw recording... that type of thing. I don't remember anyone asking about 8k, or if they did, they were met with rebuttals.

You guys realize that the Arri Alexa 65, which was the camera used to shoot the last Star...Show more →
What do you think about the surfaced rumors so far?

Jul 14, 2020 at 02:49 PM

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p.19 #9 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

I give Canon a lot of credit for creating this camera, of course will have see the real reviews. If the R5's DR is not too shabby compared to Sony's, I may get one next year to play with their RF 15-35 IS L and the 100-500mm. I never thought I would dip my toe in Canon water again. Will see what Sony has to offer in the next couple months.

Jul 14, 2020 at 03:43 PM

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I give Canon a lot of credit for creating this camera, of course will have see the real reviews. If the R5's DR is not too shabby compared to Sony's, I may get one next year to play with their RF 15-35 IS L and the 100-500mm. I never thought I would dip my toe in Canon water again. Will see what Sony has to offer in the next couple months.

Exiting times for sure! My hand might appreciate a little more camera to hang on to with that R5 body!

But the other day I took out all of my Sony gear/system and aligned setup all my lenses by FL/Prime and FL/Zooms ( I've never seen my whole kit together like that before) and thought...NAH I'm more than good with 18-600mm FL covered in primes, macro and zooms FE, GM and Batis + 1.4x and 2x TCs. Sony is sure to top the already super excellent A9II and A7rIV in the not too distant future too.

However, the R5 is the first Canon camera to ever catch my eye. * I would never use 4K/ 8K, like I never use the 4K on my Sony cameras. The 28-70/2 and 50/85 1.2 are right up my alley too.

My goal in the new few months is to becomes very close friends with at least one local that buys the R5 + 28-70/2 and 50/851.2

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Wasted a couple of minutes of my life watching this

It is funny how if you listen to Canon/ambassador marketing, it seems like Canon invented mirrorless with its more compact size, and now it finally delivers IBIS, 2 card slots, high res EVF, eye-AF, etc, etc. Where have you been the last 3-5 years Canon

:-)

All jabbing aside - I still think the R5 + R6 are very solid product deliveries from Canon. Match that with stellar native glass and it should keep Canon shooters and photographers starting from scratch very happy. I don't see anything that would make it worth switching from Sony if you have a big investment already but Canon R5 with a RF 50/1.2L would make a sweet package for available light photography (albeit heavy).

It is a great time to be a photographer - we have compelling choices!

Jul 14, 2020 at 04:04 PM

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p.19 #13 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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Wasted a couple of minutes of my life watching this
It is funny how if you listen to Canon/ambassador marketing, it seems like Canon invented mirrorless with its more compact size, and now it finally delivers IBIS, 2 card slots, high res EVF, eye-AF, etc, etc. Where have you been the last 3-5 years Canon

:-)

All jabbing aside - I still think the R5 + R6 are very solid product deliveries from Canon. Match that with stellar native glass and it should keep Canon shooters and photographers starting from scratch very happy. I don't see anything that would make it worth...Show more →

At a minimum, the avalanche of camera/lens sales that are sure to come will hopefully result in a very nice/much needed bump for the entire industry. I'm sure R5/R6 will be a big hit in Europe and North America, wonder how Asia is reacting to pre-order mania?

Jul 14, 2020 at 04:14 PM

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p.19 #14 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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Exiting times for sure! My hand might appreciate a little more camera to hang on to with that R5 body!

But the other day I took out all of my Sony gear/system and aligned setup all my lenses by FL/Prime and FL/Zooms ( I've never seen my whole kit together like that before) and thought...NAH I'm more than good with 18-600mm FL covered in primes, macro and zooms FE, GM and Batis + 1.4x and 2x TCs. Sony is sure to top the already super excellent A9II and A7rIV in the not too distant future too.

However, the R5 is the...Show more →

From the lenses you mentioned above, let's do some calculations:

Canon R5 (45MP, 12FPS*) $3,800
Canon 50/1.2 $2,300 (950g)
Canon 85/1.2 $2,700 (1,200g)
Canon 28-70/2 $3,000 (1,430g)

One body and three lenses: $11,800 and 3580 grams of weight for the lenses.
*20FPS with electronic shutter but not useful for fast action due to sensor read-out speed.

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Sony equiv.: (brand new)

Sony A7R III (42MP, 10FPS): $2,500
Sony 50/1.4 $1,500 (780g)
Sony 85/1.4. $1,800 (820g)
Sony 24-70/2.8. $2,200 (885g)

One body and three lenses: $8000 and 2585 grams of weight for the lenses . But slash 30% if you get the above used in mint condition: $5,600. That's about half the price compared to similar lenses with the new R5.

With the Canon system you gain in speed but lose in size, weight and price. On top of that, the Sony A7R III sensor is perhaps Sony's best and it's very unlikely Canon will be able to match its DR and SNR. Yes, Canon get some points for the extra IBIS compensation.

For me personally, Canon does not make lenses I really like. They are:

24mm f/1.4, 135/1.8 and nothing in the 12-24mm range, unless you adapt SLR lenses. How about Voigtlander, Sigma and Zeiss E-mount lenses? It's hard to leave them behind.

Jul 14, 2020 at 04:20 PM

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p.19 #15 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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From the lenses you mentioned above, let's do some calculations:

Jul 14, 2020 at 04:21 PM

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p.19 #16 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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From the lenses you mentioned above, let's do some calculations:

. Those Canon RF L lenses are pricey right now. I am sure they will be cheaper when the used market is more developed. There is no way I will do a wholesale switch. I just like to try to see how good the 7-8 stop stabilization they claim is. If I could reliably take 1 second wide angle shots at ISO 100, that will be something, for me anyway.

BTW, Fred, you compared the price of the Canon 85 f1.2 to Sony's 1.4, and Canon's 28-7- f2 to Sony's 24-70 f2.8, not exactly an apple to apple comparison IMO. But no question some of the Canon RF L glasses are very pricey. I have seen some pretty reasonable used prices for the 15-35, 24-70 and the 70-200, very few of them are on the B&S board though.

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From the lenses you mentioned above, let's do some calculations:

Canon R5 (45MP, 12FPS*) $3,800
Canon 50/1.2 $2,300 (950g)
Canon 85/1.2 $2,700 (1,200g)
Canon 28-70/2 $3,000 (1,430g)

One body and three lenses: $11,800 and 3580 grams of weight for the lenses.
*20FPS with electronic shutter but not useful for fast action due to sensor read-out speed.

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Sony equiv.: (brand new)

Sony A7R III (42MP, 10FPS): $2,500
Sony 50/1.4 $1,500 (780g)
Sony 85/1.4. $1,800 (820g)
Sony 24-70/2.8. $2,200 (885g)

One body and three lenses: $8000 and 2585 grams of weight for the lenses . But slash 30% if you get the above used in mint condition: $5,600. That's about...Show more →

Even if one did the switch, what would you gain/loose, i.e. how much perceived image quality in real life would you gain (or loose)?
A little bit shallower DOF with 50/1.2 and 85 1.2, apertures people rarely use in real life unless only photographing models? Not worth it. Images won't be more interesting or better all of a sudden. The difference in IQ is too little to have a significant impact on ones photography to justify a switch to less MP or less DR. Invest the money in new Sony gear or travel to nice locations with interesting motives.

Then we shouldn't forget that Sony (and Sigma) are still in the game further pushing out new tech. Would people switch back as soon as Sony offered a 50/1.2, too? Or an A7rV, A9iii? A 50/1.2 is already rumored and Sigma is there, too (the 35/1.2 is already available, the best wedding reportage lens I ever used).

Jul 14, 2020 at 04:35 PM

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p.19 #18 · Sony-shooters thoughts on the Canon R5/R6

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GO FRED GO !

I knew you would like that!

Anyways, this is without counting third party brands like Sigma, Samyang, Tamron and their AF lenses.
You can get the the superb Sigma 24-70/2.8 DN DG for $1,100!! brand new. How about the Sigma 35/1.2 for only $1,500 new? Sigma 100-400 E-mount $950 new, 14-24/2.8 $1,400, Samyang 85/1.4 $599! etc...

Jul 14, 2020 at 04:43 PM

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patotts wrote:
Wasted a couple of minutes of my life watching this

It is funny how if you listen to Canon/ambassador marketing, it seems like Canon invented mirrorless with its more compact size, and now it finally delivers IBIS, 2 card slots, high res EVF, eye-AF, etc, etc. Where have you been the last 3-5 years Canon

:-)

All jabbing aside - I still think the R5 + R6 are very solid product deliveries from Canon. Match that with stellar native glass and it should keep Canon shooters and photographers starting from scratch very happy. I don't see anything that would make it worth...Show more →

I find it odd that people are praising Canon for being upfront about heat but they didn't told their ambassadors to be very clear about those issues too, and the battery rating.

meanwhile the first thing in every single Sony camera release people (many ambassadors) throw it on the oven to see how long it can last

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The biggest problem with the R5 is that it comes with the wrong lens mount

Jul 14, 2020 at 05:42 PM

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