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I hope Fred deletes this thread.


If Fred deleted every thread that any member found, in any way, objectionable, the forum would shrink to obsolescence

Instead, he's provided an alternative solution:

No member is required, forced, or coerced to participate in a thread that they disagree with, or that doesn't interest them.



Mar 04, 2020 at 01:21 PM
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I do have some level of interest in the R5, but my primary “team” of 7D II, 5Ds R, and 5D IV cameras still performs so very well, a new camera is on my “someday” list, not a priority. I am suffering from neither G.A.S., nor F.O.M.O. (Fear Of Missing Out.)

Diverging into Sony-land is not an option, for me, as I prefer cameras that do not resemble video game appliances, and dislike video game menus. Plus, I consider a 500/4 lens to be a “sweet spot,” and Sony offers no 500mm f/4 lenses. (Actually, I shifted to Nikon cameras, for birds/wildlife, largely so that my wife, a Nikon devotee, and I can share the expense and weight of one Sigma 150-600mm Sport and one 500mm f/4 lens.)

Now that I have mentioned the “N-word,” well, the grass is greener on the Nikon side, but, the reds are redder on the Canon side. (Wink.) Seriously, the D850 is, indeed, more advanced than the 5D IV, but, the differences are relatively minor, so, in my opinion, not worth switching systems.

If I cannot create a good image, it is not the fault of my equipment.



Mar 04, 2020 at 02:52 PM
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dmcphoto wrote:
Our kids live in Melbourne Australia, and their local stores are also out of TP. What a world.


yes, toilet paper panic can be more serious than camera gear



Mar 04, 2020 at 06:47 PM
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RexGig0 wrote:
Diverging into Sony-land is not an option, for me, as I prefer cameras that do not resemble video game appliances, and dislike video game menus. Plus, I consider a 500/4 lens to be a “sweet spot,” and Sony offers no 500mm f/4 lenses. (Actually, I shifted to Nikon cameras, for birds/wildlife, largely so that my wife, a Nikon devotee, and I can share the expense and weight of one Sigma 150-600mm Sport and one 500mm f/4 lens.)



500mm lens options is certainly a legit concern. But, "video game appliances" and "video game menus" is ridiculous. The A9II and A7RIV have better ergonomics than my (now sold) Z7 and the menus are no different than Canon or Nikon...they are just more dense because the camera can do way more things than the Canon and Nikons. Once you setup Fn and My Menu and the customization of buttons it is the best user experience for control over a camera I've ever owned (and I've owned them all).



Mar 04, 2020 at 07:36 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
500mm lens options is certainly a legit concern. But, "video game appliances" and "video game menus" is ridiculous. The A9II and A7RIV have better ergonomics than my (now sold) Z7 and the menus are no different than Canon or Nikon...they are just more dense because the camera can do way more things than the Canon and Nikons. Once you setup Fn and My Menu and the customization of buttons it is the best user experience for control over a camera I've ever owned (and I've owned them all).


Any time I hear the "video game" or "electronic device" reference I know that person has never touched a Sony camera and is just echoing what they read on the net from other ignorant people.



Mar 04, 2020 at 07:58 PM
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Real Sony users have calluses and/or scars on the right hand.
The menus are not so bad.

EBH



Mar 05, 2020 at 08:05 AM
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tsangc wrote:
I was at our Costco in Toronto and toilet paper and paper towels are completely gone as is bottled water.

However samples of pizza and yogurt were in full force and there were still several EOS M100s in stock.


Buy facial tissue instead. When I first visited Taiwan I found it odd that Kleenex was used instead of TP in bathrooms and that it was handed out as post-sale promotional items by gas station attendants.

This is definitely a regional experience, for the time being. Let me guess, you visited a Toronto Costco near a large Asian population? I've seen those posts/photos too on social media. My SO is Asian and following them like crazy; she has a somewhat different (more dire) opinion about the situation than me. Meanwhile ~60km away in a relatively large, fairly diverse immigration-fed population base, I haven't yet come across TP and bottled water shortages (was at a Walmart yesterday for some Charmin). That's not to say we won't see it here, too, along with many other items, as supply chains experience disruptions.

As for the R5 - I do think it will be delayed because of component supply difficulties. It might not be as bad as Canon's post-2011 earthquake/tsunami equipment disruptions...



Mar 05, 2020 at 09:21 AM
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Buy facial tissue instead. When I first visited Taiwan I found it odd that Kleenex was used instead of TP in bathrooms and that it was handed out as post-sale promotional items by gas station attendants.

This is definitely a regional experience, for the time being. Let me guess, you visited a Toronto Costco near a large Asian population? I've seen those posts/photos too on social media. My SO is Asian and following them like crazy; she has a somewhat different (more dire) opinion about the situation than me. Meanwhile ~60km away in a relatively large, fairly diverse immigration-fed population base,
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No, surprisingly in our area it's mostly Serbians, Italians, Portuguese, and some Tibetans. But in general, The Greater Toronto Area is a large Asian population, period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto#Ethnic_diversity

Local grocery stores seem to have plenty of toilet paper.

Me, I'm waiting for Canada Canada to do heavy clearances on the old school original R. I don't need IBIS*, dual slots or 40-45MP. I'm hoping they'll match similar pricing to the ones in the US during the holidays.

* Most of my lenses are stabilized already: 70-200, 300 etc. I guess some of them could do with IBIS, like my old 17-40mm. IBIS won't make the IS ones any better--I'd bet they probably disable IBIS when a legacy EF IS lens is attached. So any IBIS/IS cooperation probably only exists on newer RF lenses.



Mar 05, 2020 at 11:03 AM
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Like tsangc, I am hoping that some retailers or companies start lowering prices on some of their products as people stop buying over fears of the virus. With airline prices and seat availability currently it looks like that may take some time.


Mar 05, 2020 at 11:40 AM
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I guess if you get a small shortage, people tend to freak out and turn it into a bigger shortage.

Saw this yesterday on DPR. 3 Japanese factories closed, can't get Chinese parts. Might have to copy and paste the link

https://m.dpreview.com/news/4773804307/canon-is-shutting-down-five-factories-due-to-supply-shortages-caused-by-covid-19?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-march-04&ref_=pe_1822230_482835640_dpr_nl_415_13



Mar 05, 2020 at 01:27 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html



Mar 05, 2020 at 01:32 PM
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mikeinctown wrote:
Like tsangc, I am hoping that some retailers or companies start lowering prices on some of their products as people stop buying over fears of the virus. With airline prices and seat availability currently it looks like that may take some time.


United is cutting 20% of its international flights and 10% of its domestic flights in April, and they plan similar additional cuts for May. That'd be a total of 20% fewer domestic and 40% fewer international flights.



Mar 05, 2020 at 01:34 PM
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dmcphoto wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html



"The editor of NT News, Matt Williams, said in an interview with the Guardian Australia that it was "certainly not a crappy edition.""

This thread has officially gone down the toilet (if it hasn't already )



Mar 05, 2020 at 01:38 PM
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dmcphoto wrote:
United is cutting 20% of its international flights and 10% of its domestic flights in April, and they plan similar additional cuts for May. That'd be a total of 20% fewer domestic and 40% fewer international flights.


Other companies like Southwest are only claiming they might see 1-2% decline. Based on the pricing I have seen for flights from my city to several others, they seem to be still booked up pretty good.

FWIW Home Depot still has a ton of TP on the shelves.



Mar 05, 2020 at 02:07 PM
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I just booked three flight segments in May, both in Canada and trans-border. One is a red-eye LAX-YYZ on an Airbus 330 (very large plane). Based on available seats, the flight seemed virtually empty, but of course not everyone pays for seats ahead of time. I will not be surprised if that flight is downsized to an A320 and/or consolidated with the one that leaves about 1.5 hours later. Oh, and both major Canadian airlines had a 25% off sale last week (base fares pre-tax and fees). It's the first time I recall seeing a 25% discount in a long time.

Just read some economic forecasts expecting ~2 years for the global economy to recover from the Covid downturn....

Regarding Canon, the timing certainly isn't great because this is supposed to be their mirrorless breakout year. I'm certainly extremely interested in the R5 and might consider getting a couple. But some of my income is from large scale events. If these are scaled back, it may affect my business and in turn my spending. Given the uncertainty and precariousness of being self employed at the best of times and in light of what may be coming economically, it might be wise to withhold unnecessary spending, including new gear. Of course it doesn't help the economy as more and more do similarly to perpetuate a downward economic spiral... It's interesting how interdependent the global economy has become and how something currently only affecting a minute fraction of the population has caused such massive physical and psychological disruption.


tsangc wrote:
No, surprisingly in our area it's mostly Serbians, Italians, Portuguese, and some Tibetans. But in general, The Greater Toronto Area is a large Asian population, period:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto#Ethnic_diversity

Local grocery stores seem to have plenty of toilet paper.


It must be the Italians! Whatever the case, with cases in Toronto increasing, there's certainly more nervousness there in general than where I am. Once we get our first case, I expect similar runs on staples here.



Mar 05, 2020 at 02:45 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Stop worrying about things you can't control, life is better that way.

Also, invest in a $25 home bidet and never worry about TP shortages again!


A bidet for only $25?!? I suspect all plastic turkey basters are also made in China and now unavailable.



Mar 05, 2020 at 02:53 PM
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There are so many visuals in this thread I didn't need to have.


Mar 05, 2020 at 03:25 PM
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lighthound wrote:
There are so many visuals in this thread I didn't need to have.


Maybe at some point we'll be able to actually see an R5 instead of having to visualize it.



Mar 05, 2020 at 03:31 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
I just booked three flight segments in May, both in Canada and trans-border. One is a red-eye LAX-YYZ on an Airbus 330 (very large plane). Based on available seats, the flight seemed virtually empty, but of course not everyone pays for seats ahead of time. I will not be surprised if that flight is downsized to an A320 and/or consolidated with the one that leaves about 1.5 hours later. Oh, and both major Canadian airlines had a 25% off sale last week (base fares pre-tax and fees). It's the first time I recall seeing a 25% discount in a long
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Back during the SARS outbreak I got a ticket from Chicago to LAX to Kuala Lumpur via Taipei for $600, or somewhere between 50% and 60% discount.



Mar 05, 2020 at 04:22 PM
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Who cares about that. The new Bond movie has been pushed back to November.


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