fredmiranda.com
Login

Archive 2020 · EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?

  
 
mikeinctown
Offline
Details
p.38 #1EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
RoamingScott wrote:
mikeinctown wrote
RoamingScott wrote
bobbytan wrote
EB-1 wrote
arbitrage wroteSaw this size comparison on CR
Aren't those all the MICL bodies? I'm not seeing any normal cameras to compare it with.
They should show the back of the 5D IV to see what features have been moved or removed.

EBH
It's quite interesting to see how similar the R5 grip ergos are to the 5D. I always felt like the R was very poorly balanced in the hand, hope that even though the R5 is a bit bigger, it's still more comfortable to hold.
Looking at the R5 and R almost side by side at WPPI, the R5 was slightly larger, but nowhere near as large as a 5D4. I have the grip for the R and really like it, though it shows just how small the R body is, because the base of the grip is deeper than the body is. (unlike the 1Dx series where either in landscape or portrait the grip is the same size.)
It's all relative right? Small compared to DSLR, but still one of the heavier/chunkier bodies in the full frame MILC market.

Glad to know the R5 isn't approaching 5D bloat.


I guess if that is good to you, but there are a lot of people out there who couldn't use Sony bodies because they were just too small and ergonomically poor. I would rather have a larger body than a smaller one, though I do wear size XL gloves.
Jun 01, 2020 at 09:29 AM
EB-1
Offline
Details
p.38 #2EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
The 5D or D850 type of form factor is just right for me without a grip.
My hands haven't changed size since using the Nikkormat EL in the 70s, so I don't suddenly want a camera that is too small to grip comfortably with a midsize lens like a 70-200/2.8 or 100-400. Maybe all the new photogs are Japanese girls with small hands?

My experience is that the a7R III or IV with a 100-400 causes more fatigue and feels heavier than a 5D series with a 100-400 simply due to the ergonomics. If I have to add a stupid grip to the 5R, then it will be larger than the 5D.

EBH
Jun 01, 2020 at 09:46 AM
RoamingScott
Offline
[X]
Details
p.38 #3EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
EB-1 wrote:
The 5D or D850 type of form factor is just right for me without a grip.
My hands haven't changed size since using the Nikkormat EL in the 70s, so I don't suddenly want a camera that is too small to grip comfortably with a midsize lens like a 70-200/2.8 or 100-400. Maybe all the new photogs are Japanese girls with small hands?

My experience is that the a7R III or IV with a 100-400 causes more fatigue and feels heavier than a 5D series with a 100-400 simply due to the ergonomics. If I have to add a stupid grip
...Show more →

The other day I had my 65lb dog in my left hand and my A7R3 and fully extended 100-400 in my right hand. This was one-handed, squatting with unsupported elbows, at 1/640. The reports of the heft or unreliability of such a combo is greatly exaggerated. Adding a small bracket with integrated pinky support helps a lot in Sony land.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49943669591_642f36769b_b.jpg


Won't argue that DSLRs are pretty comfy, but at the end of the day they are simply larger than they NEED to be. I'd like something a bit bigger than the Sony line but still considerably smaller than the last gen of monster DSLRs.
Jun 01, 2020 at 12:19 PM
ilkka_nissila
Online
Details
p.38 #4EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Zenon Char wrote:
As for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?


Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.

Jun 02, 2020 at 04:47 AM
Pius Sullivan
Offline
Details
p.38 #5EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background
...Show more →
Biggest contributing factors towards lenses with small apertures are due to the improvements in camera sensors with better ISO capabilities, combine that with IBIS, improved lens stabilization this makes for a nice light weight walk around package. Most people don't want to drag around a big old tripod these days.
Lets not forget software, there has been some major improvements in that area in dealing with noise reduction and minor correction to image stabilizing...
But then again you're not going to nail birds inflight with 7.1 in the rain forest of BC on a cloudy day.



Pius

Edited on Jun 02, 2020 at 05:51 AM · View previous versions
Jun 02, 2020 at 05:46 AM
Zenon Char
Offline
Details
p.38 #6EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background
...Show more →

It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Jun 02, 2020 at 05:48 AM
arbitrage
Offline
Details
p.38 #7EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Zenon Char wrote:
ilkka_nissila wrote
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.


Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?

Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.
Jun 02, 2020 at 06:13 AM
Pius Sullivan
Offline
Details
p.38 #8EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
Zenon Char wrote
ilkka_nissila wrote
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?

Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.


Probably not much chance of that, Geoff....

Jun 02, 2020 at 06:40 AM
Zenon Char
Offline
Details
p.38 #9EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
Zenon Char wrote
ilkka_nissila wrote
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?

Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.


If you scroll down it says f/8 and f/11. Is 7.1 and 1.4 not f/8.5 or does it jump to 10? The million dollar question is f/14. Perhaps with the R5 but then you head into diffraction territory. Knocking at the door at f/11. I would't need 1000mm for BIF but it would be nice for stills of smaller birds.

https://www.canon.ca/en/Features/EOS-R/EOS-R-Camera

The CPS Canada email says this.

CANON INC. HAS ALSO ANNOUNCED THE DEVELOPMENT OF 7 RF LENSES THIS YEAR INCLUDING A NEW RF TELEPHOTO ZOOM LENS, RF 100-500MM F/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

Development so who knows when we will see them. Some images show the 100-500 with both TC's but again who knows what the other 6 lenses are or are the TC's part of that count? A big prime for the 2X? Maybe my dream lens will be announced. Like Nikons 500 5.6. I'd buy that today.


Jun 02, 2020 at 07:12 AM
Zenon Char
Offline
Details
p.38 #10EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Not only the camera is being previewed today, but seven new RF lenses and two teleconverters are on their way. The most eye-grabbing, and the only one for which we get a full name, is the RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM, the first big white lens to reach into true super-telephoto territory for Canon’s full-frame mirrorless cameras. There is even going to be an Extender RF 1.4x and Extender RF 2x to give a serious boost to the reach of select RF lenses when you need it. We don’t have any specific details on the other lenses slated for 2020, but it looks like Canon is going to be busy all year.

Source.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/news/canon-reveals-development-of-eos-r5-mirrorless-camera
Jun 02, 2020 at 07:23 AM
RoamingScott
Offline
[X]
Details
p.38 #11EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
People who act indignant about f/7.1 at 500mm baffle me. I regularly have to stop my 100-400 down to f/8 to get a reasonable amount of subject in focus if I'm near MFD.

If I'm using it for landscapes I'm close to f/8 as well regardless for sharpness reasons.

I think it will be an amazing all arounder piece of glass to backpack with.
Jun 02, 2020 at 07:40 AM
Zenon Char
Offline
Details
p.38 #12EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I just put my 100-400 with the 2X on the R. I was getting AF at f/20 but it has to be close to start with. If I defocused a lot it would not work.









Jun 02, 2020 at 07:44 AM
lighthound
Offline
Details
p.38 #13EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
Zenon Char wrote
ilkka_nissila wrote
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?



There will be no need to AF at f/10 or f/14. With the new RF 1.4x & 2x TC's they have probably designed them with Speed booster type optics. So when you want to shoot that 100-500 @ 1000mm F/4 just slap the 2X TC on.

Man, wouldn't that be great!

Jun 02, 2020 at 07:58 AM
Zenon Char
Offline
Details
p.38 #14EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
An update. I forgot I had Lens drive when AF impossible disabled. When I enabled it it would focus when badly defocused but it wasn't very quick.
Jun 02, 2020 at 08:49 AM
arbitrage
Offline
Details
p.38 #15EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Zenon Char wrote:
arbitrage wrote
Zenon Char wrote
ilkka_nissila wrote
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?

Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.
If you scroll down it says f/8 and f/11. Is 7.1 and 1.4 not f/8.5 or does it jump to 10? The million dollar question is f/14. Perhaps with the R5 but then you head into diffraction territory. Knocking at the door at f/11. I would't need 1000mm for BIF but it would be nice for stills of smaller birds.

https://www.canon.ca/en/Features/EOS-R/EOS-R-Camera

The CPS Canada email says this.

CANON INC. HAS ALSO ANNOUNCED THE DEVELOPMENT OF 7 RF LENSES THIS YEAR INCLUDING A NEW RF TELEPHOTO ZOOM LENS, RF 100-500MM F/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

Development so who knows
...Show more →

You lose 1 stop of light with a 1.4TC so when looking at the 1/3stop scale we get f/10 being one stop away from 7.1. f/14 is two stops with the 2xTC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number
Jun 02, 2020 at 01:09 PM
RoamingScott
Offline
[X]
Details
p.38 #16EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
So was there supposed to be more info today than what we got in that B&H blurb?
Jun 02, 2020 at 01:54 PM
Zenon Char
Offline
Details
p.38 #17EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
Zenon Char wrote
arbitrage wrote
Zenon Char wrote
ilkka_nissila wrote
Zenon Char wroteAs for the RF 100-500. I'm curios as to why 7.1 when Sigma can do 150-600 at 6.3 and Nikon can do 200-500 at 5.6?
Without doubt the f/7.1 allows Canon to make a smaller and lighter lens, which would feel more balanced when used with a smaller camera body. With mirrorless cameras, the autofocus is reported to be able to work with smaller apertures than in DSLRs, so there is less reason to aim for at least f/5.6 which was the smallest common aperture for a long time in DSLR autofocus lenses. Of course, more light is better than less light, and in many cases, one wants a larger aperture especially when photographing larger subjects at longer distances, to give clean subject - background separation, but then again, for close images of small subjects, f/7.1 may be OK if it is sharp wide open. Personally I think even f/5.6 is small for a lot of applications.
It can focus with smaller apertures. I have used the the R at f/11.
Does Canon list the smallest aperture that it can still do AI Servo continuous focus with? 100-500 with 1.4TC at f/10 will be fine (based off people already using 100-400/2xTC at f/11). But is there any chance it will focus at 1000mm f/14?

Sony sets a limit that varies between bodies and has even been upgraded in FW over time. Most A7 series can do up to f/11. The A9 originally did f/11 and now can do up to f/16.
If you scroll down it says f/8 and f/11. Is 7.1 and 1.4 not f/8.5 or does it jump to 10? The million dollar question is f/14. Perhaps with the R5 but then you head into diffraction territory. Knocking at the door at f/11. I would't need 1000mm for BIF but it would be nice for stills of smaller birds.

https://www.canon.ca/en/Features/EOS-R/EOS-R-Camera

The CPS Canada email says this.

CANON INC. HAS ALSO ANNOUNCED THE DEVELOPMENT OF 7 RF LENSES THIS YEAR INCLUDING A NEW RF TELEPHOTO ZOOM LENS, RF 100-500MM F/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

Development so who knows when we will see them. Some images show the 100-500 with both TC's but again who knows what the other 6 lenses are or are the TC's part of that count? A big prime for the 2X? Maybe my dream lens will be announced. Like Nikons 500 5.6. I'd buy that today.
You lose 1 stop of light with a 1.4TC so when looking at the 1/3stop scale we get f/10 being one stop away from 7.1. f/14 is two stops with the 2xTC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number


Thanks
Jun 02, 2020 at 02:56 PM
cameron12x
Offline
Details
p.38 #18EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
IF the body doesn't ship this year, it will be the biggest corporate tease in Canon's history.
Jun 03, 2020 at 06:13 AM
lighthound
Offline
Details
p.38 #19EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
cameron12x wrote:
IF the body doesn't ship this year, it will be the biggest corporate tease in Canon's history.


Tease /tēz/
verb
1. make fun of or attempt to provoke (a person or animal) in a playful way.
Similar:
make fun of
poke fun at
chaff
make jokes about
rag
mock


It would be preposterous to think Canon is using the current global disaster as a way to have some fun.

I'm quite sure there will be thousands of happy R5 owners this year. However due to the current world crisis, I would strongly suggest to move quickly once pre-orders begin if anyone wants to get their hands on one of these this year. It's very likely to sell out quickly thus creating the biggest backlog of orders in Canons history.

But who knows, maybe they have moved their tooling and sourced different suppliers throughout the world in order to ramp up production to avoid any shortages.
If toilet paper companies can figure it out, I'm pretty sure corporations like Canon can.
Jun 03, 2020 at 08:02 AM
cameron12x
Offline
Details
p.38 #20EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
lighthound wrote:
cameron12x wroteIF the body doesn't ship this year, it will be the biggest corporate tease in Canon's history.
Tease /tēz/
verb
1. make fun of or attempt to provoke (a person or animal) in a playful way.
Similar:
make fun of
poke fun at
chaff
make jokes about
rag
mock

It would be preposterous to think Canon is using the current global disaster as a way to have some fun.

I'm quite sure there will be thousands of happy R5 owners this year. However due to the current world crisis, I would strongly suggest to move quickly once pre-orders begin if anyone wants to get their hands on one of these this year. It's very likely to sell out quickly thus creating the biggest backlog of orders
...Show more →

Didn't say they were having fun, lol.

When are we actually going to see the specifications for the entire camera? And its price?

Jun 03, 2020 at 08:30 AM
FM ForumsCanon ForumJoin Upload & Sell
  
 

You are not logged inLog inRegister