Archive 2020 · EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
p.4 #1EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
ShootPDX wrote:
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Carry on!
Very possible around $3-3500 since the A7rIV is at $3,498.00
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Carry on!
Very possible around $3-3500 since the A7rIV is at $3,498.00
Feb 17, 2020 at 01:42 AM
p.4 #2EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
arbitrage wrote:
I think it will be able to go longer than that with a CFE only and not shooting to the SD.
I agree. The key to sustained high speed shooting is now the use of CFE cards and not buffer size. Files of 70 MB can be written to a CFE card at a rate of 20 files per second.
Jesse Evans wrote
20fps silent shutter will be at full resolution. It will allow for <1s of 20fps in raw due to the buffer only being big enough to handle the 1.8GB/s of generated raw data for that long and will drop down to about 2-3fps while the buffer is cleared.I agree. The key to sustained high speed shooting is now the use of CFE cards and not buffer size. Files of 70 MB can be written to a CFE card at a rate of 20 files per second.
Feb 17, 2020 at 02:03 AM
p.4 #3EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Mike_5D wrote:
Carry on!I suspect it'll launch at $3500 for the body only like the last two 5D's. Hopefully everybody b*tches and moans about every little shortcoming and it hits $2500 on grey market Black Friday 2020 deals.
Of course "everyone" will bitch and moan bout every so little Shortcoming of a new Camera, not only the upcoming R5. We're on the Internet, where People bitch and moan about everything except their own Failure when it comes to Photography itself
ShootPDX wrote
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.Carry on!
Of course "everyone" will bitch and moan bout every so little Shortcoming of a new Camera, not only the upcoming R5. We're on the Internet, where People bitch and moan about everything except their own Failure when it comes to Photography itself
Feb 17, 2020 at 02:04 AM
p.4 #4EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
ShootPDX wrote:
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Carry on!
Oh, I hope it is more than that, around $3500 MSRP.
Canon needs to make better and more expensive cameras.
The cheapitude of the R really turns me off.
EBH
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Carry on!
Oh, I hope it is more than that, around $3500 MSRP.
Canon needs to make better and more expensive cameras.
The cheapitude of the R really turns me off.
EBH
Feb 17, 2020 at 02:05 AM
p.4 #5EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
benCKS wrote:
Carry on!I suspect it'll launch at $3500 for the body only like the last two 5D's. Hopefully everybody b*tches and moans about every little shortcoming and it hits $2500 on grey market Black Friday 2020 deals.Of course "everyone" will bitch and moan bout every so little Shortcoming of a new Camera, not only the upcoming R5. We're on the Internet, where People bitch and moan about everything except their own Failure when it comes to Photography itself
Oh come on Ben. You’re coming down on this like some kind of a kill-joy!!! LoL
I mean isn’t that what these forums are for?!
Bitchen and whining are FREE! Buying a new camera is $3000-$6500! Improving ones photography is next to impossible at any price, so what’s left
I’ll tell ya....., wait for it....., it’s almost here......, It’s coming....., yep you probably guessed it....., bitching and whining!!!!!! LoL
John
Mike_5D wrote
ShootPDX wrote
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.Carry on!
Oh come on Ben. You’re coming down on this like some kind of a kill-joy!!! LoL
I mean isn’t that what these forums are for?!
Bitchen and whining are FREE! Buying a new camera is $3000-$6500! Improving ones photography is next to impossible at any price, so what’s left
I’ll tell ya....., wait for it....., it’s almost here......, It’s coming....., yep you probably guessed it....., bitching and whining!!!!!! LoL
John
Feb 17, 2020 at 02:27 AM
p.4 #6EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
JohnSil wrote:
Carry on!I suspect it'll launch at $3500 for the body only like the last two 5D's. Hopefully everybody b*tches and moans about every little shortcoming and it hits $2500 on grey market Black Friday 2020 deals.Of course "everyone" will bitch and moan bout every so little Shortcoming of a new Camera, not only the upcoming R5. We're on the Internet, where People bitch and moan about everything except their own Failure when it comes to Photography itselfOh come on Ben. You’re coming down on this like some kind of a kill-joy!!! LoL
I mean isn’t that what these forums are for?!
Bitchen and whining are FREE! Buying a new camera is $3000-$6500! Improving ones photography is next to impossible at any price, so what’s left
I’ll tell ya....., wait for it....., it’s almost here......, It’s coming....., yep you probably guessed it....., bitching and whining!!!!!! LoL
John
I'm sorry
benCKS wrote
Mike_5D wrote
ShootPDX wrote
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.Carry on!
I mean isn’t that what these forums are for?!
Bitchen and whining are FREE! Buying a new camera is $3000-$6500! Improving ones photography is next to impossible at any price, so what’s left
I’ll tell ya....., wait for it....., it’s almost here......, It’s coming....., yep you probably guessed it....., bitching and whining!!!!!! LoL
John
I'm sorryFeb 17, 2020 at 04:59 AM
p.4 #7EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Last home run was an EOS R
For under $2300, I wouldn't dream of a 5D mk ii or mk iv for that value. And it spared me selling my 85mm 1.2 L and enabled adatping Canon, Leica and gobs of lenses. Plus shedding weight.
And maybe an odd icing on the cake, was Northrup and the Slanted Lens announcing their moves to the EOS R for video needs.EOS R a home run? No, but it was a decent first generation attempt.
A home run would be an EOS-R5 that performs like a sports body with 12fps AI servo @ 40MP and better IQ than 5DIV, but pricing would be right to label it a home run.
The EOS R was a home run, a year after it was introduced and finally got a firmware update for the eye AF. Then when it went to around $1,300 before Christmas? Yeah, it became a home run. It's a fantastic camera, especially for those who bought it cheap.
mdvaden wrote
artsupreme wrote
Exactly my point. The last home run was the 5DmkII....and how long ago was that?For under $2300, I wouldn't dream of a 5D mk ii or mk iv for that value. And it spared me selling my 85mm 1.2 L and enabled adatping Canon, Leica and gobs of lenses. Plus shedding weight.
And maybe an odd icing on the cake, was Northrup and the Slanted Lens announcing their moves to the EOS R for video needs.
A home run would be an EOS-R5 that performs like a sports body with 12fps AI servo @ 40MP and better IQ than 5DIV, but pricing would be right to label it a home run.
The EOS R was a home run, a year after it was introduced and finally got a firmware update for the eye AF. Then when it went to around $1,300 before Christmas? Yeah, it became a home run. It's a fantastic camera, especially for those who bought it cheap.
Feb 17, 2020 at 09:21 AM
p.4 #8EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
IndyFab wrote:
Carry on!Very possible around $3-3500 since the A7rIV is at $3,498.00
I think it will be 3-3500. I said that on Facebook and some dude was laughing at me. He claims that it will cost 10k euros because of an article posted last month. They would have a hard time moving units at 10k euros
I said 3-3500 for the same reason you did because of the competition
ShootPDX wrote
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.Carry on!
I think it will be 3-3500. I said that on Facebook and some dude was laughing at me. He claims that it will cost 10k euros because of an article posted last month. They would have a hard time moving units at 10k euros
I said 3-3500 for the same reason you did because of the competition
Feb 17, 2020 at 09:26 AM
p.4 #9EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Dpedraza wrote:
Carry on!Very possible around $3-3500 since the A7rIV is at $3,498.00I think it will be 3-3500. I said that on Facebook and some dude was laughing at me. He claims that it will cost 10k euros because of an article posted last month. They would have a hard time moving units at 10k euros
I said 3-3500 for the same reason you did because of the competition
If Canon cared about the competition they wouldn't be selling a new DSLR for $2k more than an A9II.
No way the camera costs under $3,500 and will likely be $4k or more, IMHO.
IndyFab wrote
ShootPDX wrote
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.Carry on!
I said 3-3500 for the same reason you did because of the competition
If Canon cared about the competition they wouldn't be selling a new DSLR for $2k more than an A9II.
No way the camera costs under $3,500 and will likely be $4k or more, IMHO.
Feb 17, 2020 at 09:29 AM
p.4 #10EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
I expect it will do what Canon says it will do. I don't put any stock in any blogger or vlogger extrapolations beyond what Canon has precisely said.
Feb 17, 2020 at 09:46 AM
p.4 #11EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
JohnSil wrote:
Given Canon's history
Were you alive when the T-90 came out? The T-90 even knocked the socks off of people that only knew what an Instamatic was!
What about EOS?
What about the 50 f1.0 with AF?
What about the 200 f1.8 with AF
What about IS in a 500 f4?
What about the 5D mkl and mkll?
What about the 200-400 with a built-in extender?
Canon has a long history of Home Runs!!!
John
Yes, John. I have been and I would add some more to the list:
Eos 5 (non D) and EOS 3 EYE AF (not focusing the models eye but focusing what I watched in the viewfinder
6D was (and imo still is after 8 years) one of the most excellent low-light performers.
The whole 1 series till today
5D IV!
100 2.8L
70-200s doesnt matter which one or what speed (2.8/4.0)
Most of them where landmarks that had to be copied by the competitors. In many cases years after Canon did them. That is the Canon history in my mind.
Given Canon's history
Were you alive when the T-90 came out? The T-90 even knocked the socks off of people that only knew what an Instamatic was!
What about EOS?
What about the 50 f1.0 with AF?
What about the 200 f1.8 with AF
What about IS in a 500 f4?
What about the 5D mkl and mkll?
What about the 200-400 with a built-in extender?
Canon has a long history of Home Runs!!!
John
Yes, John.
I have been and I would add some more to the list:Eos 5 (non D) and EOS 3 EYE AF (not focusing the models eye but focusing what I watched in the viewfinder
6D was (and imo still is after 8 years) one of the most excellent low-light performers.
The whole 1 series till today
5D IV!
100 2.8L
70-200s doesnt matter which one or what speed (2.8/4.0)
Most of them where landmarks that had to be copied by the competitors. In many cases years after Canon did them. That is the Canon history in my mind.
Feb 17, 2020 at 10:03 AM
p.4 #12EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
benCKS wrote:
Of course "everyone" will bitch and moan bout every so little Shortcoming of a new Camera, not only the upcoming R5. We're on the Internet, where People bitch and moan about everything except their own Failure when it comes to Photography itself
Whining about whining.
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ShootPDX wrote:
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Carry on!
IndyFab wrote:
Very possible around $3-3500 since the A7rIV is at $3,498.00
Dpedraza wrote:
I think it will be 3-3500. I said that on Facebook and some dude was laughing at me. He claims that it will cost 10k euros because of an article posted last month. They would have a hard time moving units at 10k euros
I said 3-3500 for the same reason you did because of the competition
mikeinctown wrote:
If Canon cared about the competition they wouldn't be selling a new DSLR for $2k more than an A9II.
No way the camera costs under $3,500 and will likely be $4k or more, IMHO.
I agree with Mike. It will be priced higher than the competition because that is what Canon always seems to do. And it's probable the R5 will experience very strong demand for a considerable period. I don't think Canon's aim is to undercut the competition on price. Rather, imply a premium value over the competition. In this case they'll also leverage demand from Canon users who have held off switching systems until now, who will grumble at the higher price, but wish to remain in the Canon ecosystem and the benefits it entails.
The camera might cost more by ~$500 but in the grand scheme of things, could save existing Canon users money compared to switching systems and having to re-buy a whole set of lenses. While EF lenses will work on Sony FE, there are compromises. Meanwhile EF lenses work pretty much natively on RF, meaning the transition can be spread considerably longer, lessening the cost/pain and giving time for users to integrate RF lenses as needed and funds allow.
Of course "everyone" will bitch and moan bout every so little Shortcoming of a new Camera, not only the upcoming R5. We're on the Internet, where People bitch and moan about everything except their own Failure when it comes to Photography itself
Whining about whining.
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ShootPDX wrote:
I think this camera will be below $3,000. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Carry on!
IndyFab wrote:
Very possible around $3-3500 since the A7rIV is at $3,498.00
Dpedraza wrote:
I think it will be 3-3500. I said that on Facebook and some dude was laughing at me. He claims that it will cost 10k euros because of an article posted last month. They would have a hard time moving units at 10k euros
I said 3-3500 for the same reason you did because of the competition
mikeinctown wrote:
If Canon cared about the competition they wouldn't be selling a new DSLR for $2k more than an A9II.
No way the camera costs under $3,500 and will likely be $4k or more, IMHO.
I agree with Mike. It will be priced higher than the competition because that is what Canon always seems to do. And it's probable the R5 will experience very strong demand for a considerable period. I don't think Canon's aim is to undercut the competition on price. Rather, imply a premium value over the competition. In this case they'll also leverage demand from Canon users who have held off switching systems until now, who will grumble at the higher price, but wish to remain in the Canon ecosystem and the benefits it entails.
The camera might cost more by ~$500 but in the grand scheme of things, could save existing Canon users money compared to switching systems and having to re-buy a whole set of lenses. While EF lenses will work on Sony FE, there are compromises. Meanwhile EF lenses work pretty much natively on RF, meaning the transition can be spread considerably longer, lessening the cost/pain and giving time for users to integrate RF lenses as needed and funds allow.
Feb 17, 2020 at 10:13 AM
p.4 #13EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
FPS, high resolution, DR, 8K, 4K/120, buffer size, 2 catrd slots, more battery power, RF-mount, world class AF ... - nice to get all those unneeded (for me) gimmicks. But did anybody here (except me of course ) realize that Canon did a big jump into the future of usability by bringing back the wellknown and in decades developed ergonomics in design. This for me is the most important and real innovation. Right in opposite to the common phrase that Canon is not listening ... with firmware updates to eye AF and the neenvented ergonomics of joystick and scroll wheel and skipping the touchbar they imho show that they ARE listening. They do the same with FPS/4 & 8K and bringing a new sensor. I do not expect that it might be worse than the previous ones. For my needs the DR of Canon sensors was already good enough 14 years ago when I purchased a 30D.
I am pretty sure concerning my needs this R5 will blow away everything else, what competitors offer right now.
But I am pretty sure That I will not be able to afford it, too. But who cares? I do not really want to handle more than 20 - 24 MP anyway.
Ralph
) realize that Canon did a big jump into the future of usability by bringing back the wellknown and in decades developed ergonomics in design. This for me is the most important and real innovation. Right in opposite to the common phrase that Canon is not listening ... with firmware updates to eye AF and the neenvented ergonomics of joystick and scroll wheel and skipping the touchbar they imho show that they ARE listening. They do the same with FPS/4 & 8K and bringing a new sensor. I do not expect that it might be worse than the previous ones. For my needs the DR of Canon sensors was already good enough 14 years ago when I purchased a 30D.I am pretty sure concerning my needs this R5 will blow away everything else, what competitors offer right now.
But I am pretty sure That I will not be able to afford it, too. But who cares? I do not really want to handle more than 20 - 24 MP anyway.
Ralph
Feb 17, 2020 at 10:47 AM
p.4 #14EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?
Based on Canon's history? I say yes, it will certainly "knock our socks off".
And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?
Based on Canon's history? I say yes, it will certainly "knock our socks off".
And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
Feb 17, 2020 at 11:32 AM
p.4 #15EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Jesse Evans wrote:
What exactly was the EOS R a cornerstone of?
At least that is better than a headstone.
It's a kind of first effort.
EBH
mdvaden wrote
The EOS R was a cornerstone for at least a couple things.At least that is better than a headstone.
It's a kind of first effort.
EBH
Feb 17, 2020 at 11:43 AM
p.4 #16EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?
lighthound wrote:
Based on Canon's history? I say yes, it will certainly "knock our socks off".
And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
Tokura needs to shoot that 100-500L in low light and see how Canon is the leader in blur and noisy images.
EBH
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?
lighthound wrote:
Based on Canon's history? I say yes, it will certainly "knock our socks off".
And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
Tokura needs to shoot that 100-500L in low light and see how Canon is the leader in blur and noisy images.
EBH
Feb 17, 2020 at 11:45 AM
p.4 #17EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
EB-1 wrote:
And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!Tokura needs to shoot that 100-500L in low light and see how Canon is the leader in blur and noisy images.
EBH
I wasn't aware that there were any RAW files out there shot with this lens. Do you have any you could share that proves your claim?
artsupreme wrote
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?lighthound wrote
Based on Canon's history? I say yes, it will certainly "knock our socks off".And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
EBH
I wasn't aware that there were any RAW files out there shot with this lens. Do you have any you could share that proves your claim?
Feb 17, 2020 at 11:48 AM
p.4 #18EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
lighthound wrote:
Based on Canon's history? I say yes, it will certainly "knock our socks off".
And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
Well that's great news I'm hoping so. I'll buy one if it's not the typical cripple. And to me a typical cripple would be a 5DIV with same fps, more cropping power and nearly the same IQ quality. If this is the case, it's not going to result in better images, but just bigger files. The other bells and whistles that aren't associated with capturing images don't excite me.
But if this thing actually performs at 12fps in AI servo like a sports body and has 40+MP with equivalent or better than 5DIV IQ then they'll have my money as long as it's not priced too high.
artsupreme wrote
Given Canon's history, do people really think they are going to release a screamer that knocks everyone socks off with 12fps in AI servo at 40MP+?And also based on Canon's stated intentions in FF mirrorless market.
Go Tokura (Canon's Image Communication Business Operations Chief Executive) stated during an interview last year at the 2019 CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan.
"As you may know, Canon has a history of not always being first in the market with new technology, but we are very good at catching up, going beyond and becoming the leader."
Exciting times!
Well that's great news I'm hoping so. I'll buy one if it's not the typical cripple. And to me a typical cripple would be a 5DIV with same fps, more cropping power and nearly the same IQ quality. If this is the case, it's not going to result in better images, but just bigger files. The other bells and whistles that aren't associated with capturing images don't excite me.
But if this thing actually performs at 12fps in AI servo like a sports body and has 40+MP with equivalent or better than 5DIV IQ then they'll have my money as long as it's not priced too high.
Feb 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM
p.4 #19EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
.... and nearly the same IQ quality. If this is the case, it's not going to result in better images, but just bigger files.
There is nothing happening in this area, it hasn't for many years, and it will not in many years. If you compare the general image quality of all FF camera from the major manufacturers from the recent years, there is so little between them that it is not worth a thought. The factor that differentiates most is resolution. What kind of improved image quality do you expect? General ISO noise is settled near the theoretical minimum for Bayer sensor cameras. Dynamic range? Maybe a tiny bit better than the 5D IV but that's it.
The R5 is all about the combination of resolution and speed. If you need none of them, it will still be a great camera, but money might be better spent on something else.
.... and nearly the same IQ quality. If this is the case, it's not going to result in better images, but just bigger files.
There is nothing happening in this area, it hasn't for many years, and it will not in many years. If you compare the general image quality of all FF camera from the major manufacturers from the recent years, there is so little between them that it is not worth a thought. The factor that differentiates most is resolution. What kind of improved image quality do you expect? General ISO noise is settled near the theoretical minimum for Bayer sensor cameras. Dynamic range? Maybe a tiny bit better than the 5D IV but that's it.
The R5 is all about the combination of resolution and speed. If you need none of them, it will still be a great camera, but money might be better spent on something else.
Feb 17, 2020 at 12:46 PM
p.4 #20EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Well, one thing that Canon has already succeeded at with this camera is generating buzz. I can't remember the last time there was this much anticipation over a Canon body.
I'm actually checking in on these discussions a few times a day, which is pretty unusual for me.
Mark
I'm actually checking in on these discussions a few times a day, which is pretty unusual for me.
Mark
Feb 17, 2020 at 12:51 PM