lighthound wrote:
Agreed on all counts. I haven't bought but one APS-C lens (17-55 f/2.8) and that was years ago. I never use it anymore and it just collects dust. I consider (as most probably do) a crop sensor body to be aimed at (pun intended) wildlife shooting. And as such, I have no need to use anything other than the FF long glass on them.
Slap the 90D sensor into an RF mirroless body and give the AF system a good nudge up and you'd have a decent mirrorless crop body.
So long as the R5 lives up to the rumored specs and has the AF system to go along with it, I'd be very happy with it and would probably wear out the crop mode switch on it.
Speaking of "crop mode switch". How is this currently achieved on bodies that offer this feature? Is it a quick button push or do you have to dive into menus to activate crop mode?...Show more →
On my Sony bodies you can program any button you want to toggle between FF/crop. On my Nikon D850 I also have a button assigned but have to use the scroll wheel in conjunction to go between the two (Nikon also has a 1:2 crop but you can have that unselected so you don't have to scroll through).
I don't agree with the poster above that says there is no point in using crop mode with a FF lens attached. There are benefits in buffer depth, buffer clearing times, more shots per card, less storage on the computer and faster culling. There has been a history of more FPS but that has been a good while since some older Nikon bodies. I'm not expecting that but would be nice.
arbitrage wrote:
On my Sony bodies you can program any button you want to toggle between FF/crop. On my Nikon D850 I also have a button assigned but have to use the scroll wheel in conjunction to go between the two (Nikon also has a 1:2 crop but you can have that unselected so you don't have to scroll through).
I don't agree with the poster above that says there is no point in using crop mode with a FF lens attached. There are benefits in buffer depth, buffer clearing times, more shots per card, less storage on the computer and faster culling. There has been a history of more FPS but that has been a good while since some older Nikon bodies. I'm not expecting that but would be nice. ...Show more →
+1
Increased FPS would be nice with crop (but not expecting)
Manually reducing to a crop size (i.e. with FF lens), to reduce file size
One other way to go to reduce file size (if you know you're gonna be cropping anyway), is to switch to a 1:1 (or other) format. It isn't quite as much reduction as reducing to APS-C, but it's a few MP saved (and no consideration to orientation needed), as the ends get whacked. Also, has the pseudo-benefit of having your AF points closer to edges a bit.
lighthound wrote:
Slap the 90D sensor into an RF mirroless body and give the AF system a good nudge up and you'd have a decent mirrorless crop body.
Oh be careful what you wish for. 32,5 mp in an action body with 1.6x crop is not a good idea i.m.o.
I tried the 90D briefly, and although no doubt capable of stunning stills images, I would not want that sensor in the R7. I now use the Nikon D500 to relieve my wait for the future 7DII upgrade, and sorry, but I vastly prefer a sensor like that in an action crop body. Why: much less time battling with noise reduction, and simply a rendition that I prefer greatly to the superhigh mp croppers that cross into m4/3 territory.
My hope for my 400DOII is the R7, if not for the R7, I will sell it next year. I am personally not looking forward to spend 4000,- on the R5
slowdad wrote:
processing time, culling.....I use LR and then 5D4 files are slow compared to the 1Dx2 files....45-45 Mp files will suck for speed
Craw is really nice on the eos-R. especially for weddings... like reception.
also, smart previews is your friend.
photomechanic to cull.
i see conversation about dark receptions.... struggles with eos R... nobody is talking about what AF point settings. I do see some struggles.... but pretty good results.
Me... I am using expanded AF points.
I do find hte 5dmkiv responds a little quicker in the dark with the 16-35L viii.
but with the rf28-70 ... the eos r does pretty nice.
Has it been established you can use crop mode with full frame lens on the R5 ? I believe on the R cameras when using EF-S lens automatically goes into crop mode.
Don
ChrisMak wrote:
Oh be careful what you wish for. 32,5 mp in an action body with 1.6x crop is not a good idea i.m.o.
I tried the 90D briefly, and although no doubt capable of stunning stills images, I would not want that sensor in the R7. I now use the Nikon D500 to relieve my wait for the future 7DII upgrade, and sorry, but I vastly prefer a sensor like that in an action crop body. Why: much less time battling with noise reduction, and simply a rendition that I prefer greatly to the superhigh mp croppers that cross into m4/3 territory.
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I do sort of agree with that. Once you push past 20MP on APS-C you really run into diminishing returns and it is hard to really realize the added resolution. I find that with the A7RIV in 26MP mode. I prefer the D500/Z50 files. I haven't tried the new 32MP Canon sensor.
Littlefield wrote:
Has it been established you can use crop mode with full frame lens on the R5 ? I believe on the R cameras when using EF-S lens automatically goes into crop mode.
Don
Does the EOS R have a crop mode with FF lenses? Even if there isn't a FF lens crop mode at least you still have the pixels per duck and will crop in post. As I mentioned with my 45MP D850 I often don't bother switching into crop mode. But with 60MP A7RIV I do but that is mainly because of the deficiencies in Sony's card writing prowess
arbitrage wrote:
Does the EOS R have a crop mode with FF lenses? Even if there isn't a FF lens crop mode at least you still have the pixels per duck and will crop in post. As I mentioned with my 45MP D850 I often don't bother switching into crop mode. But with 60MP A7RIV I do but that is mainly because of the deficiencies in Sony's card writing prowess
The R does have cropping mode at 1.6x when using a FF lens. Areas outside of crop is not recorded when shooting in RAW.
It can also shoot at 1:1, 4:3, or 16:9 ratios when using full frame. If EF-S lens is attached, it automatically crops to 1.6x with the standard aspect ratio.
I had the EOS R at 4 weddings this summer....side by side against the 1Dx2 and 5D4...frankly i was surprised it missed like it did but the majority of normal wedding stuff was in focus....However...it struggled in dark reception rooms to get the exact shots the 5D4 captured. And we used the Sigma 85 1.4 on both bodies. Really disagree with your assessment. EOS R is a fine portrait, perched wildlife camera. It struggles when things start to move. Sure your going to get a few shots....But I dont want to click off 10 shots and hope 2 are in focus....a 1Dx2 and a moving subjects...I click off 10 then 9-10 are in focus....a 5D4....probably 6-7-8 of the 10 get in focus....Not so with the EOS R...its clearly missed more than it hit when the subject is moving and when it is dark and it was downright terrible with heavy backlight ....it really jumped to highlights on many staged shots
ChrisMak wrote:
Oh be careful what you wish for. 32,5 mp in an action body with 1.6x crop is not a good idea i.m.o.
I tried the 90D briefly, and although no doubt capable of stunning stills images, I would not want that sensor in the R7. I now use the Nikon D500 to relieve my wait for the future 7DII upgrade, and sorry, but I vastly prefer a sensor like that in an action crop body. Why: much less time battling with noise reduction, and simply a rendition that I prefer greatly to the superhigh mp croppers that cross into m4/3 territory.
My hope for my 400DOII is the R7, if not for the R7, I will sell it next year. I am personally not looking forward to spend 4000,- on the R5 ...Show more →
The 90D / M6II sensor is indicative of the image quality we will see both in the R5 in crop mode and also any R7. I am sure that any R7 would not go below 32 MB, but even if it did, the rendition and noise characteristics would be similar. Personally I like the rendition of higher resolution sensors better, and I don't mind spending 5 seconds in total for the rest of my life battling with noise reduction (adjusting the default for the NR sliders a tiny bit) for having the possibility of extra resoltuion when the conditions allow it.
lighthound wrote:
I thought there was a way to put some current canon bodies (1DXII / 5D4 / R) into crop mode even when FF glass was attached?
I was secretly hoping maybe with the R5 we would get a slight increase in the FPS by using crop mode, but it sounds like that's just a pipe dream. Yes?
Can't do that on the R. I don't know about the 1DxII or the 5D4.
For me the first Digital Rebel was a home run! I loved the AE-1 but moving on from film was a walk off in the bottom of the 9th.
When I got a 5D3...I thought Canon hit it into the upper deck.
RDKirk wrote:
Can't do that on the R. I don't know about the 1DxII or the 5D4.
JamitoFrog says the R can go into crop mode with a FF lens. Page 80 of the online user manual says that it can do 1.6 mode with whatever lens you want.
arbitrage wrote:
JamitoFrog says the R can go into crop mode with a FF lens. Page 80 of the online user manual says that it can do 1.6 mode with whatever lens you want.
Ah, well so, you can. I had noted the other ratios for future reference, but somehow hadn't paid attention to the 1.6 icon.
So if these bodies that have the crop mode feature simply toss away all the extra data and we don't get an increase in FPS, this would mean Canon has a set parameter on the FPS and it's actually not a matter of a processing power bottle neck holding it back? Seems odd to do such a thing and lose bragging rights in the spec wars.
I get all the other advantages Geoff pointed out by using crop mode especially on large MP files. However I'd like to see the FPS increase a little as that would be the biggest advantage to using it to me personally. God knows I have plenty of experience with the crop tool in post so there isn't a big advantage without a bump in shutter speed.
Not that this would be a show stopper by any means, but why isn't this the case? Does the shutter speed increase on other manufactures bodies when in crop mode?
lighthound wrote:
Not that this would be a show stopper by any means, but why isn't this the case? Does the shutter speed increase on other manufactures bodies when in crop mode?
No, not any recent ones. There were some Nikon bodies a few generations back that did increase in crop mode. But the D850 doesn't, the A7RIV doesn't...no current bodies do that I'm aware of.
