Archive 2020 · EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
p.14 #1EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Sony will probably soon respond...
Yes. And then Nikon. And Canon. And Sony.
All photographers should look forward to the continuous competition between these companies (and others) and the steady improvements in our already-excellent photographic tools.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
...with another TKO uppercut.
"Another" knockout? If the there had been a previous "knock out," the match would have ended, a winner declared, and the loser would have left the ring.
That didn't happen.
Perhaps the "T" in this "TKO" stands for "temporarily?" ;-)
Looking at these back and forth swings over a longer period of time — say five years or more — makes the whole thing look a lot less frantic.
Sony will probably soon respond...
Yes. And then Nikon. And Canon. And Sony.
All photographers should look forward to the continuous competition between these companies (and others) and the steady improvements in our already-excellent photographic tools.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
...with another TKO uppercut.
"Another" knockout? If the there had been a previous "knock out," the match would have ended, a winner declared, and the loser would have left the ring.
That didn't happen.
Perhaps the "T" in this "TKO" stands for "temporarily?" ;-)
Looking at these back and forth swings over a longer period of time — say five years or more — makes the whole thing look a lot less frantic.
Feb 25, 2020 at 12:24 PM
p.14 #2EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
alundeb wrote:
Leapfrogging is good, but it seems that people take it as given that Sony will respond soon. I am not so sure about that.
I don't think Sony will respond until earliest late 2021. That would be the earliest we would see an A9III and I really doubt they are ever doing an A9R. A7IV will be out next but that won't be an R5 competitor. A7RV is a long ways out seeing it is still very recent as is the A9II. Who knows what Nikon is doing...there hasn't been a rumor of a new Z camera for ages. Nikon may very well just disappear if things continue like they have been for them over the past few years.
Leapfrogging is good, but it seems that people take it as given that Sony will respond soon. I am not so sure about that.
I don't think Sony will respond until earliest late 2021. That would be the earliest we would see an A9III and I really doubt they are ever doing an A9R. A7IV will be out next but that won't be an R5 competitor. A7RV is a long ways out seeing it is still very recent as is the A9II. Who knows what Nikon is doing...there hasn't been a rumor of a new Z camera for ages. Nikon may very well just disappear if things continue like they have been for them over the past few years.
Feb 25, 2020 at 12:58 PM
p.14 #3EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
gdanmitchell wrote:
Yes. And then Nikon. And Canon. And Sony.
All photographers should look forward to the continuous competition between these companies (and others) and the steady improvements in our already-excellent photographic tools.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
"Another" knockout? If the there had been a previous "knock out," the match would have ended, a winner declared, and the loser would have left the ring.
That didn't happen.
Perhaps the "T" in this "TKO" stands for "temporarily?" ;-)
Looking at these back and forth swings over a longer period of time — say five years or more — makes the whole thing look a lot less frantic.
The point is that Canon is trying to catch up with old Sony tech. With that said, there is no back and forth of the leaders. It's more like Leapfrog, narrow the gap, leapfrog, narrow the gap, leapfrog, narrow the gap.
Yes, Canon has been TKO'd but they do return to the mat in an attempt to close the gap. They have been in the dust trail for several years. Canon's "home run" nowadays usually means catching up to competitors old tech.
artsupreme wrote
Sony will probably soon respond...All photographers should look forward to the continuous competition between these companies (and others) and the steady improvements in our already-excellent photographic tools.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
Earlier quote
...with another TKO uppercut.That didn't happen.
Perhaps the "T" in this "TKO" stands for "temporarily?" ;-)
Looking at these back and forth swings over a longer period of time — say five years or more — makes the whole thing look a lot less frantic.
The point is that Canon is trying to catch up with old Sony tech. With that said, there is no back and forth of the leaders. It's more like Leapfrog, narrow the gap, leapfrog, narrow the gap, leapfrog, narrow the gap.
Yes, Canon has been TKO'd but they do return to the mat in an attempt to close the gap. They have been in the dust trail for several years. Canon's "home run" nowadays usually means catching up to competitors old tech.
Feb 25, 2020 at 01:01 PM
p.14 #4EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Holger wrote:
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet. 
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
You are dreaming to think a non-flagship R5 to even surpass the 1dxiii, all that with a higher MP sensor and in a much cheaper body. How realistic is that? We don't even know what the R5 will bring to the table in detail (20fps with AF frozen or not, etc., 12fps with frozen AF, or not, nothing is clear right now).
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an...Show more →
I suggest you slow down and read what I wrote again. Where did I say the R5 would surpass the 1DXIII or the A9II?
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
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arbitrage wrote:
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Until we see what Canon does with the R5 and whether they ever move to a R1 (and if they do how far out it is) it is premature to really compare an R5 to an A9II. By the time an R1 shows up there could be an A9III or an A9R or who knows what....one can wish for anything but until I see a full spec sheet and can read all the caveats in the user manuals I'm not going to place my bets or my $$$ onto either system.
The Cripple Hammer...Show more →
Not counting any chickens Geoff. Simply pointed out a few facts relative to the video posted and just expressing my enthusiasm and excitement as a Canon supporting member.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an...Show more →
I suggest you slow down and read what I wrote again. Where did I say the R5 would surpass the 1DXIII or the A9II?
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
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arbitrage wrote:
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
The Cripple Hammer...Show more →
Not counting any chickens Geoff. Simply pointed out a few facts relative to the video posted and just expressing my enthusiasm and excitement as a Canon supporting member.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Feb 25, 2020 at 01:04 PM
p.14 #5EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
Just FYI, I saw the R5 at WPPI this afternoon. They have it in a case so you can't hold it, but it is clearly smaller than a 5D Mark IV. It is also slightly larger than an EOS R with the body looking just like an R except maybe 10% upsized. The people working there weren't able to say anything about the camera other than what Cqnon has already announced.
Feb 25, 2020 at 02:59 PM
p.14 #6EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
lighthound wrote:
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.You are dreaming to think a non-flagship R5 to even surpass the 1dxiii, all that with a higher MP sensor and in a much cheaper body. How realistic is that? We don't even know what the R5 will bring to the table in detail (20fps with AF frozen or not, etc., 12fps with frozen AF, or not, nothing is clear right now).
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).I suggest you slow down and read what I wrote again. Where did I say the R5 would surpass the 1DXIII or the A9II?
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON...Show more →I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Until we see what Canon does with the R5 and whether they ever move to a R1 (and if they do how far out it is) it is premature to really compare an R5 to an A9II. By the time an R1 shows up there could be an A9III or an A9R or who knows what....one can wish for anything but until I see a full spec sheet and can read all the caveats in the user manuals I'm not going to place my bets or my $$$ onto either system.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.
Everyone walking back into the Canon forum like Indiana Jones through a cave full of cobwebs.
Holger wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON...Show more →
arbitrage wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.
Everyone walking back into the Canon forum like Indiana Jones through a cave full of cobwebs.
Feb 25, 2020 at 03:18 PM
p.14 #7EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
gdanmitchell wrote:
As they say, "'Don't get ahead of your skis."
The more likely (continuing) reality...
1. At times any of several companies could have the most compelling photographic tool, with your assessment of "most compelling" being somewhat subjective and different depending on what/how you photograph. The "lead" among companies rotates over time.
2. In a truly objective sense, the differences are far less important that we imagine — the fact is that all of these companies are making extremely competent equipment, and the difference between the best thing and the second-best thing in some aspect of camera performance is actually not that great. In addition,...Show more →I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
fan of a sports team
I am beginning to think the proper analogy is battle bots instead of sports team at this point.
I guess people use cameras for different purposes that I do. I have asked the question before and I do not recall a good answer. If I got one and forgot I apologize. If I sell all of my Canon gear, and I have and buy into Sony what will I get out of all the effort? Specifically?
No offense to Sony if I owned them I am sure I would be happy, but the only cameras that have really interested me outside of the Canon world was the D850 and the medium format Fuji. I am going to hold out for the Canon R5 which should make a good all rounder. I have my 1d cameras, and I bought a 4x5 instead of the Fuji. Anything you buy is a compromise. I come from the perspective of not being a technical guy when it comes to cameras. I just like to use them. I like the end result.
If there was a perfect camera then there would be only one brand and one model, and we would not have camera conspiracies youtube channel. That would be a dull world.
As they say, "'Don't get ahead of your skis."
The more likely (continuing) reality...
1. At times any of several companies could have the most compelling photographic tool, with your assessment of "most compelling" being somewhat subjective and different depending on what/how you photograph. The "lead" among companies rotates over time.
2. In a truly objective sense, the differences are far less important that we imagine — the fact is that all of these companies are making extremely competent equipment, and the difference between the best thing and the second-best thing in some aspect of camera performance is actually not that great. In addition,...Show more →
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
fan of a sports team
I am beginning to think the proper analogy is battle bots instead of sports team at this point.
I guess people use cameras for different purposes that I do. I have asked the question before and I do not recall a good answer. If I got one and forgot I apologize. If I sell all of my Canon gear, and I have and buy into Sony what will I get out of all the effort? Specifically?
No offense to Sony if I owned them I am sure I would be happy, but the only cameras that have really interested me outside of the Canon world was the D850 and the medium format Fuji. I am going to hold out for the Canon R5 which should make a good all rounder. I have my 1d cameras, and I bought a 4x5 instead of the Fuji. Anything you buy is a compromise. I come from the perspective of not being a technical guy when it comes to cameras. I just like to use them. I like the end result.
If there was a perfect camera then there would be only one brand and one model, and we would not have camera conspiracies youtube channel. That would be a dull world.
Feb 25, 2020 at 03:59 PM
p.14 #8EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
highdesertmesa wrote:
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.You are dreaming to think a non-flagship R5 to even surpass the 1dxiii, all that with a higher MP sensor and in a much cheaper body. How realistic is that? We don't even know what the R5 will bring to the table in detail (20fps with AF frozen or not, etc., 12fps with frozen AF, or not, nothing is clear right now).
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).I suggest you slow down and read what I wrote again. Where did I say the R5 would surpass the 1DXIII or the A9II?
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
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I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Until we see what Canon does with the R5 and whether they ever move to a R1 (and if they do how far out it is) it is premature to really compare an R5 to an A9II. By the time an R1 shows up there could be an A9III or an A9R or who knows what....one can wish for anything but until I see a full spec sheet and can read all the caveats in the user manuals I'm not going to place my bets or my $$$ onto either system.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.Not counting any chickens Geoff. Simply pointed out a few facts relative to the video posted and just expressing my enthusiasm and excitement as a Canon supporting member.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Everyone walking back into the Canon forum like Indiana Jones through a cave full of cobwebs.
Trying to get their hands on the highly prized jewel.
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
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arbitrage wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Trying to get their hands on the highly prized jewel.
Feb 25, 2020 at 04:10 PM
p.14 #9EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
highdesertmesa wrote:
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.You are dreaming to think a non-flagship R5 to even surpass the 1dxiii, all that with a higher MP sensor and in a much cheaper body. How realistic is that? We don't even know what the R5 will bring to the table in detail (20fps with AF frozen or not, etc., 12fps with frozen AF, or not, nothing is clear right now).
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).I suggest you slow down and read what I wrote again. Where did I say the R5 would surpass the 1DXIII or the A9II?
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
---------------------------------------------
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Until we see what Canon does with the R5 and whether they ever move to a R1 (and if they do how far out it is) it is premature to really compare an R5 to an A9II. By the time an R1 shows up there could be an A9III or an A9R or who knows what....one can wish for anything but until I see a full spec sheet and can read all the caveats in the user manuals I'm not going to place my bets or my $$$ onto either system.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.Not counting any chickens Geoff. Simply pointed out a few facts relative to the video posted and just expressing my enthusiasm and excitement as a Canon supporting member.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Everyone walking back into the Canon forum like Indiana Jones through a cave full of cobwebs.
If there were a comment of the week, I would vote for you. Made me laugh pretty hard reading that!
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
---------------------------------------------
arbitrage wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
If there were a comment of the week, I would vote for you. Made me laugh pretty hard reading that!
Feb 25, 2020 at 04:12 PM
p.14 #10EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
lighthound wrote:
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
OUCH !!!
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Angel, my ... ROFLMAO
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
OUCH !!!
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Angel, my ... ROFLMAO
Feb 25, 2020 at 06:38 PM
p.14 #11EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
lighthound wrote:
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.You are dreaming to think a non-flagship R5 to even surpass the 1dxiii, all that with a higher MP sensor and in a much cheaper body. How realistic is that? We don't even know what the R5 will bring to the table in detail (20fps with AF frozen or not, etc., 12fps with frozen AF, or not, nothing is clear right now).
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).I suggest you slow down and read what I wrote again. Where did I say the R5 would surpass the 1DXIII or the A9II?
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
---------------------------------------------
I'd say the leap frogging has already happened. Sony users just don't want to acknowledge it yet.
1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Until we see what Canon does with the R5 and whether they ever move to a R1 (and if they do how far out it is) it is premature to really compare an R5 to an A9II. By the time an R1 shows up there could be an A9III or an A9R or who knows what....one can wish for anything but until I see a full spec sheet and can read all the caveats in the user manuals I'm not going to place my bets or my $$$ onto either system.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.Not counting any chickens Geoff. Simply pointed out a few facts relative to the video posted and just expressing my enthusiasm and excitement as a Canon supporting member.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
Everyone walking back into the Canon forum like Indiana Jones through a cave full of cobwebs.Trying to get their hands on the highly prized jewel.
And the whole place is going to come down on our heads
highdesertmesa wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
You seem to think this (likely) 45MP camera to surpass A9ii AF, won't happen. So your comment sound like a fanboy delusional comment, sorry to say that. And that comes from someone like me, even thinking of adding an R5 (I am not brand addicted).
I believe my words were that I hope the R5 gets the same AF features as the 1DXIII. Which appears to equal the A9II for all intensive purposes based on the video you posted.
Is it likely? Probably not. But like I said, I'm hopeful.
Now as for your affectionate "fanboy delusional" comment. Might I remind you that I'm posting my personal optimism right here on the CANON forum in a thread about an exciting new CANON product. And although I am often delusional, according to my wife, I am not a fanboy. I'm simply a Canon supporting member.
Now if we really want to get into pointing fingers at "fanboys" perhaps we should look at all the fresh new faces we see here suddenly posting on the Canon forum for some strange reason.
---------------------------------------------
arbitrage wrote
lighthound wrote
Holger wrote
They get very close, so leap-frogging will start soon:1DXIII
20 fps Mechanical (in Live View)
zero wait to clear buffer
Dual CFexpress memory cards
A9II
10 fps Mechanical
6 month wait to clear buffer
Dual SD cards
Now that Canon just surpassed the A9II with a DSLR, just imagine what we're going to see with a full MILC flagship 1R.
Based on what we're seeing on the 1DXIII, I'm hopeful the R5 picks up the same AF features which would equal the A9II at a release price of $3499.
I keep hearing the cute little buzz phrase some Sony YouTuber came up with. The "Canon cripple hammer".
Funny how that little phrase has an opposite meaning now.
The Cripple Hammer may still rear its ugly head with the R5 especially if the price point is $3500 (I'd bet an extra $1K onto that price). The Youtuber that made that phrase is a M43 shooter for the most part and he isn't a stills shooter, all he talks about is video. I think he occasionally uses an A6400 but that is it for his Sony use.
And I agree, we can "wish" for anything we choose, which is what I said in my post.
I find it very strange when a Canon user post a comment on the CANON forum expressing any form of support or excitement for the new product being discussed and then expresses their "hopes" for the product, then this person is jumped on as if they had posted this comment over on the Sony forum as some form of troll post.
Don't hate on me because Sony slapped SD cards in flagship body.
or because it takes 6 months for the buffer to clear. (according to Jared)
or because it only shoots at 10 fps in mechanical.
I didn't design it. Just pointing out a couple of facts that are often overlooked.
But hey, I get it! If I was a Sony user and they didn't fix these major issues when they released the A9II, I'd be pissed off too!
Just don't bring this hate over here in the Canon forum. We all live in peace and harmony over here.
My sincere apologies if my enthusiasm of Canon products offended anyone here on the CANON forum.
Hugs and kisses
A Canon supporting member
And the whole place is going to come down on our heads
Feb 25, 2020 at 07:58 PM
p.14 #13EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
fotografur wrote:
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Any pictures of the back side of the R5?
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Any pictures of the back side of the R5?
Feb 25, 2020 at 09:42 PM
p.14 #14EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
As a current 1Dx2 and 5D4 owner who dislikes the EOS R
my thoughts are
A- the R5 must be better than the 5D4 in AF performance or whats the point of buying one
B- It has to be able to hit a moving subject ( example BIF) in servo mode- EOS R struggles
C- It has to be able to lock in dark conditions and lock on moving subjects in dark conditions- EOS R struggles
D- It has to be able to lock and perform in backlight conditions- EOS R Really struggles
And im not excited about a 40-45 MB sensor for wedding work
A- hoping it has some type of Mraw capabilities
B- Hoping some of the 1Dx3 technology with Auto AF capabilities like facial falls to the R5
I am extremely impressed with the 1Dx3 update but there is no way I would consider an upgrade until I see what this R5 is about.
I did not get an EOS R due to no dual cards. But the AF performance on the EOS R is not on par to the 5D4 especially in conditions that I listed above
Wait and see for me on the R5 but hoping it works in the AF department
my thoughts are
A- the R5 must be better than the 5D4 in AF performance or whats the point of buying one
B- It has to be able to hit a moving subject ( example BIF) in servo mode- EOS R struggles
C- It has to be able to lock in dark conditions and lock on moving subjects in dark conditions- EOS R struggles
D- It has to be able to lock and perform in backlight conditions- EOS R Really struggles
And im not excited about a 40-45 MB sensor for wedding work
A- hoping it has some type of Mraw capabilities
B- Hoping some of the 1Dx3 technology with Auto AF capabilities like facial falls to the R5
I am extremely impressed with the 1Dx3 update but there is no way I would consider an upgrade until I see what this R5 is about.
I did not get an EOS R due to no dual cards. But the AF performance on the EOS R is not on par to the 5D4 especially in conditions that I listed above
Wait and see for me on the R5 but hoping it works in the AF department
Feb 25, 2020 at 09:54 PM
p.14 #15EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
kezeka wrote:
Any pictures of the back side of the R5?
fotografur wrote
.Feb 25, 2020 at 10:02 PM
p.14 #17EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
https://youtu.be/iek33m7GyI4
R5 at WPPI.
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R5 at WPPI.
Edited on Feb 25, 2020 at 10:18 PM · View previous versions
Feb 25, 2020 at 10:17 PM
p.14 #18EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
slowdad wrote:
I did not get an EOS R due to no dual cards. But the AF performance on the EOS R is not on par to the 5D4 especially in conditions that I listed above
I was certain you didn't get a Canon EOS R once I read this part of your comment:
"C- It has to be able to lock in dark conditions and lock on moving subjects in dark conditions- EOS R struggles"
Throw a Canon EF 85mm 1.2 or RF 50mm 1.2 on the EOS R and it leaves a 5D mk iv wanting.
I can see a few things some folks may not be thrilled with in an EOS R. Maybe the one card. Maybe the frame rate.
I did not get an EOS R due to no dual cards. But the AF performance on the EOS R is not on par to the 5D4 especially in conditions that I listed above
I was certain you didn't get a Canon EOS R once I read this part of your comment:
"C- It has to be able to lock in dark conditions and lock on moving subjects in dark conditions- EOS R struggles"
Throw a Canon EF 85mm 1.2 or RF 50mm 1.2 on the EOS R and it leaves a 5D mk iv wanting.
I can see a few things some folks may not be thrilled with in an EOS R. Maybe the one card. Maybe the frame rate.
Feb 25, 2020 at 10:17 PM
p.14 #19EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
alundeb wrote:
Whether you put stock in that is up to you.I wouldn't expect 1DXIII performance, but how about somewhere closer to 1DX performance, or something obviously better than 7DII performance?
If not, we are back to where I started with essentially a 5DIV + 10MP for more cropping power and bundled up in a shiny new compact form factor.
Would this be enough for Canon users (still photographers) to upgrade given IQ should be very similar to 5DIV? It sounds like video might be worthy for those who use it, but not so sure it will be worthy upgrade for stills unless the extra 10MP+ is super important to someone.
New 5DIV for $1799 or R5 for $4000 range?What the 5D IV lacked in order to become universally accepted as a sports camera, was a frame rate of 10 fps, or 8fps as an absolute minimum. This is the thing the R5 is going to solve. The extra resolution will pull in the wildlife crowd. How good the AF will have to be in order to please people is undecided. This is what we really have to wait for. What do the reviews and the experts here say.The big question is will it actually perform 12fps while tracking in AI servo or will the 12fps be limited to one shot mode? And then possibly have the caveat that it will *AF up to 7fps in AI servo? If yes, we are back to the same old Canon way. The reason I started this thread was to ask if people really expect Canon to step it up for once.
I'm going to hope for the best but I'm not counting on it. Please surprise us all Canon.The minimum we can expect, is that it will track at 50% frame rate of what the top 1D class camera of the time does. That will be 8 fps mech and 10 fps e-shutter. This is the old Canon way and I guarantee that will happen as a minimum.
Does anyone else think that the R5 will do 8fps at minimum in mechanical AI servo? Based on history, I would say it will do 8fps at best with tracking, but what does everyone else think?
With that said if it is 8fps @ 40MP+, what would you expect the tracking performance equivalent to? Somewhere between a 7DII and 1DX?
artsupreme wrote
alundeb wrote
artsupreme wrote
bipock wrote
As an aside to this thread, in speaking with the Canon rep this morning, I asked about the R5 and specifically the focusing capabilities it will have. He very emphatically stated that while it will be similar to the 1DxIII, it WILL NOT have the same focusing capabilities as the 1DxIII. He did say there's a lot to like about that camera and that they had seen it and had a good bit of "undisclosable" information about it, but the focusing will not on the 1DxIII level as Canon will continue segmenting that market.Whether you put stock in that is up to you.
If not, we are back to where I started with essentially a 5DIV + 10MP for more cropping power and bundled up in a shiny new compact form factor.
Would this be enough for Canon users (still photographers) to upgrade given IQ should be very similar to 5DIV? It sounds like video might be worthy for those who use it, but not so sure it will be worthy upgrade for stills unless the extra 10MP+ is super important to someone.
New 5DIV for $1799 or R5 for $4000 range?
I'm going to hope for the best but I'm not counting on it. Please surprise us all Canon.
Does anyone else think that the R5 will do 8fps at minimum in mechanical AI servo? Based on history, I would say it will do 8fps at best with tracking, but what does everyone else think?
With that said if it is 8fps @ 40MP+, what would you expect the tracking performance equivalent to? Somewhere between a 7DII and 1DX?
Feb 25, 2020 at 10:48 PM
p.14 #20EOS-R5....will it live up to the hype?
artsupreme wrote:
Whether you put stock in that is up to you.I wouldn't expect 1DXIII performance, but how about somewhere closer to 1DX performance, or something obviously better than 7DII performance?
If not, we are back to where I started with essentially a 5DIV + 10MP for more cropping power and bundled up in a shiny new compact form factor.
Would this be enough for Canon users (still photographers) to upgrade given IQ should be very similar to 5DIV? It sounds like video might be worthy for those who use it, but not so sure it will be worthy upgrade for stills unless the extra 10MP+ is super important to someone.
New 5DIV for $1799 or R5 for $4000 range?What the 5D IV lacked in order to become universally accepted as a sports camera, was a frame rate of 10 fps, or 8fps as an absolute minimum. This is the thing the R5 is going to solve. The extra resolution will pull in the wildlife crowd. How good the AF will have to be in order to please people is undecided. This is what we really have to wait for. What do the reviews and the experts here say.The big question is will it actually perform 12fps while tracking in AI servo or will the 12fps be limited to one shot mode? And then possibly have the caveat that it will *AF up to 7fps in AI servo? If yes, we are back to the same old Canon way. The reason I started this thread was to ask if people really expect Canon to step it up for once.
I'm going to hope for the best but I'm not counting on it. Please surprise us all Canon.The minimum we can expect, is that it will track at 50% frame rate of what the top 1D class camera of the time does. That will be 8 fps mech and 10 fps e-shutter. This is the old Canon way and I guarantee that will happen as a minimum.Does anyone else think that the R5 will do 8fps at minimum in mechanical AI servo? Based on history, I would say it will do 8fps at best with tracking, but what does everyone else think?
With that said if it is 8fps @ 40MP+, what would you expect the tracking performance equivalent to? Somewhere between a 7DII and 1DX?
8 FPS mechanical with tracking is a good bet. The 5D3 did 6 FPS and the 5D4 did 7 FPS. By all accounts, this is the successor to that line.
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As an aside to this thread, in speaking with the Canon rep this morning, I asked about the R5 and specifically the focusing capabilities it will have. He very emphatically stated that while it will be similar to the 1DxIII, it WILL NOT have the same focusing capabilities as the 1DxIII. He did say there's a lot to like about that camera and that they had seen it and had a good bit of "undisclosable" information about it, but the focusing will not on the 1DxIII level as Canon will continue segmenting that market.Whether you put stock in that is up to you.
If not, we are back to where I started with essentially a 5DIV + 10MP for more cropping power and bundled up in a shiny new compact form factor.
Would this be enough for Canon users (still photographers) to upgrade given IQ should be very similar to 5DIV? It sounds like video might be worthy for those who use it, but not so sure it will be worthy upgrade for stills unless the extra 10MP+ is super important to someone.
New 5DIV for $1799 or R5 for $4000 range?
I'm going to hope for the best but I'm not counting on it. Please surprise us all Canon.
With that said if it is 8fps @ 40MP+, what would you expect the tracking performance equivalent to? Somewhere between a 7DII and 1DX?
8 FPS mechanical with tracking is a good bet. The 5D3 did 6 FPS and the 5D4 did 7 FPS. By all accounts, this is the successor to that line.
Feb 25, 2020 at 10:53 PM