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p.62 #1 · Light Lens Lab (LLL) replica lenses discussion & image thread


I should get the LLL 28mm f/2.8 for review soon!


Sep 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM
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ocean2059 wrote:
I noticed that too when I read the article. It might be just a typo.


It is a typo, sorry about that!



Sep 19, 2024 at 07:57 PM
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rollei35_warton wrote:
You may want to find a better influencer to review a product next time.
Typo aside, this guy reviewed almost nothing about this lens.

Basically he firstly educated us the history of the lens of this from Leitz, then he quoted bunch of sayings from Zhou and copied/pasted some erroneous MTF charts, finally he threw in a bunch of mediocre pictures before concluding he likes the lens.

It sounds harsh but this kind of review is typically what I call those "seems saying a lot but actually saying nothing" type of platitudes.


Totally agree. I read the "review" twice and still am not sure about what's special about this lens. It gave me pretty much no reason for me to want to buy (or even try) it. I'm sure there's more to the lens than what's said in this review (at least I hope so). I'm a fan of the LLL 8e and 50f1.2 so I'm really interested in this and the hopefully-soon 35AA.



Sep 20, 2024 at 09:56 AM
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_jim_ wrote:
The paint on the '1966' appears more durable than the paint on the 'Elcan' or 8E. My lens shows less pronounced wearing than the other two. That being said, I use the hood less - not because it wouldn't benefit from it, but because it's too large (and I can't use a variable nd with it).


Thanks @_jim_ for all those insights, the lens has a glow to it as I believe to see, does it still have it beyond 1.2? Does the other character traits remains to 1.4 and 2?



Sep 20, 2024 at 02:24 PM
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LLL Elcan 50mm + M11 (all taken at f/2.0)




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Sep 21, 2024 at 09:26 AM
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Did they just post a 35mm APO on their IG story?! 😱


Sep 21, 2024 at 12:50 PM
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instantfoto_ wrote:
Did they just post a 35mm APO on their IG story?! 😱


I saw that too but seems like an odd choice if so. Firstly, their whole ethos has been reviving older optical formulas. Secondly, given how notoriously difficult it is for even Leica to produce the 35 APO, there’s zero chance LLL is going to be able to do it at that level.



Sep 21, 2024 at 01:34 PM
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Looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. It’s one thing to replicate a lens that is beyond copyright date, but to copy a current one? Even if they change the optical formula, the external design and hood look too similar.


Sep 21, 2024 at 01:53 PM
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LightLensLab wrote:
It will be in production later this year, however we had another priority in terms of 35mm focal length development hence the reason I did not promote the lens until it is set and stone... The said "new" lens announcement will be posted soon however! Excited to hear what you guys think!


LightLensLab wrote:
It will be our first lens that goes the different way than the vintage character...


instantfoto_ wrote:
Did they just post a 35mm APO on their IG story?! 😱


I guess this is what David was talking about in previous posts.



Sep 21, 2024 at 02:22 PM
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Legalities aside, I’m excited to see third party manufacturers do close focus (0.3m) lenses like the APO 35mm.


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Is this what I'm thinking it is?







Sep 21, 2024 at 05:03 PM
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A close focusing LLL lens! Hopefully they implemented a soft detent at 0.7m


Sep 21, 2024 at 09:28 PM
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spendychucky wrote:
A close focusing LLL lens! Hopefully they implemented a soft detent at 0.7m


I actually hate the soft detent-

IF you focus near the detent, its a nuisance IMO-

I can see when the RF is no longer coupled and would prefer this not to be on the lens-

That me though, others many feel differently-



Sep 21, 2024 at 10:38 PM
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You can patent a lens formula, but you probably can’t protect a lens barrel design. This might be LLL’s first optical formula from scratch (as much as a lens can be, anyway).


Sep 21, 2024 at 10:58 PM
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TibbersGoneWild wrote:

I guess this is what David was talking about in previous posts.



Correct



Sep 24, 2024 at 05:16 PM
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raizans wrote:
You can patent a lens formula, but you probably can’t protect a lens barrel design. This might be LLL’s first optical formula from scratch (as much as a lens can be, anyway).


Patent plus copyright, one of those is going to apply to the physical design. You can’t mass produce and sell a Star Wars spaceship toy just because you made it out of a different material. Such a toy product wouldn’t be considered a replica, it would be considered a counterfeit. Even if they change the name of the spaceship and don’t market it as a Star Wars product, the manufacturer could still be subject to a lawsuit if the external design was the same as the official ship from one of their movies, shows, graphic novels, etc.



Sep 24, 2024 at 05:25 PM
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LightLensLab wrote:
Correct


Can’t wait to see the MTF charts and photo samples once the prototype is developed!




Sep 24, 2024 at 07:18 PM
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Star Wars ships aren’t a great comparison in this case as they fall under copyright. Something else that is clearly designed but generally isn’t covered by copyright is typefaces. I think that’s a more relevant comparison.


Sep 25, 2024 at 09:46 AM
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raizans wrote:
Star Wars ships aren’t a great comparison in this case as they fall under copyright. Something else that is clearly designed but generally isn’t covered by copyright is typefaces. I think that’s a more relevant comparison.


We'll see. Leica either doesn't care anyway – or they've been waiting for a chance to unleash hell



Sep 25, 2024 at 10:13 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Is this what I'm thinking it is?


When I ask them if this will be a 35mm F2 Apo lens, they just send me a back…



Sep 25, 2024 at 11:56 PM
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